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How Modern Were European Neanderthals?
Eureka Alert ^ | 8-25-2006 | Hannah Johnson

Posted on 08/25/2006 12:05:53 PM PDT by blam

Contact: Hannah Johnson
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How modern were European Neanderthals?

Neandertals were much more like modern humans than had been previously thought, according to a re-examination of finds from one of the most famous palaeolithic sites in Europe by Bristol University archaeologist, Professor Joao Zilhao, and his French colleagues.

Professor Zilhao has been able to show that sophisticated artefacts such as decorated bone points and personal ornaments found in the Châtelperronian culture of France and Spain were genuinely associated with Neandertals around 44,000 years ago, rather than acquired from modern humans who might have been living nearby. His findings are published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) USA.

The site from which this Neandertal culture derives its name is the Grotte de Fées at Châtelperron in Central France, first excavated in the 1840s. It has been one of the most important and controversial places to understand how modern humans that had previously moved out of Africa replaced the Neandertals, often portrayed as more 'primitive'. In the conventional interpretation of the rock strata of the site, the cave was thought to have evidence of both modern human and Neandertal occupation in interleaved layers. The fact that Neandertals came back to the site after modern humans had lived in it for quite some time would prove the long-term contemporaneity of the two groups, and validate the notion that the cultural novelties seen among the latest Neandertals represented immitation or borrowing, not innovation.

Now archaeologists can show that the Grotte des Fées stratigraphic pattern is illusory because the supposedly Neandertal levels overlying those belonging to the modern human Aurignacian culture are in fact backdirt from nineteenth-century fossil hunting. According to Professor Zilhao and his team, this adds to the evidence from other sites in the region that the Neandertals already had the capacity for symbolic thinking before the arrival of the modern humans into western Europe, which has been radiocarbon dated to around 40,000 years ago.

Professor Zilhao said: "This discovery, along with research on the rock strata at other cave sites, has huge implications for how we view the European Neandertals and, more widely, human evolution. The differences between Neandertals and modern humans may be much less than had been previously thought, suggesting that human cognition and symbolic thinking may date back to before the two sub-species split around 400,000 years ago."


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1 posted on 08/25/2006 12:05:54 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

This is more in line with my thinking on this subject.

2 posted on 08/25/2006 12:06:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

YEC INTREP


3 posted on 08/25/2006 12:09:29 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: blam

French Neanderthals.......where to begin, where to begin?


4 posted on 08/25/2006 12:09:51 PM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: blam

Neanderthals would not be any different looking than anybody else. They had stronger sword arms on average and would fight a wolf or bear tooth to tooth, but a lot of people now could do that. Their women gossiped and giggled excessively. Maybe that isn't unusual either.


5 posted on 08/25/2006 12:10:47 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: lovecraft
The French Neanderthals surrendered to modern humans. Thats why they're not around anymore...
6 posted on 08/25/2006 12:11:46 PM PDT by chadwimc
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To: blam
Europe is still full of them! Some have migrated to our country and we call them Homo Liberalis Erectus.
7 posted on 08/25/2006 12:14:00 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: lovecraft
French Neanderthals

For some reason this comes to mind.


9 posted on 08/25/2006 12:15:44 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: blam
Humans existed as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers. They
lived on deer in the mountains during the summer & would go to the coast and
live on fish and lobster in winter.

The 2 most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and
the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the
catalyst for the splitting of humanity into 2 distinct
subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered it required grain and that was the beginning of
agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so
while our early human ancestors were sitting around waiting for them to be
invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were
formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night
while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as
"the Conservative movement."

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off
the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the
sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal
movement. Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The
rest became known as 'girliemen.'

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the
invention of group therapy and group hugs and the concept of Democratic
voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives
provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most
powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by
the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer white
wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well
done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.

Another interesting revolutionary side note: most of their women have higher
testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, personal injury
attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are
liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't
"fair" to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for
their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys,
lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police
officers, corporate executives, Marines, athletes and generally anyone who
works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other
conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the producers and
decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more
enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in
Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the
Wild West was tame and created a business of trying to get MORE for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history.

(Sorry, had to be the first to post this)
10 posted on 08/25/2006 12:16:57 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Ronald Reagan didn't turn me into a Republican....Jimmy Carter did that!!)
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To: RightWhale
Neanderthals would not be any different looking than anybody else.

They could pass for human easily enough, but they would certainly appear as a distinct ethnic group. You're NOT going to lose one in a crowd of Europeans. They could probably blend in fairly well in a modern multiracial city though.
11 posted on 08/25/2006 12:17:41 PM PDT by Arthalion
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To: blam

Sorry for the thread hijack blam, it's Friday and nothing has struck me funnier than the thought of French Neanderthals. There's so many jokes, my brain is frying in giggle overload.


12 posted on 08/25/2006 12:19:56 PM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: blam

They're still there. Now they're called Muslims.


13 posted on 08/25/2006 12:20:25 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: Arthalion

Sweden, okay. Hamburg, okay. London, okay. Madrid, okay. Some other places they might get lost in the crowd.


14 posted on 08/25/2006 12:21:43 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: blam
How Modern Were European Neanderthals?

About the same as Islamofascists, if not a little better.
15 posted on 08/25/2006 12:25:17 PM PDT by JamesP81 ("Never let your schooling interfere with your education" --Mark Twain)
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To: blam

Not so modern!

16 posted on 08/25/2006 12:25:45 PM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't fit even to scrape Reagan's shoes, Bush will never fill them!)
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To: RightWhale
Neanderthals would not be any different looking than anybody else. They had stronger sword arms on average and would fight a wolf or bear tooth to tooth, but a lot of people now could do that

I seriously doubt that any modern people could match the physical strength of Neanderthal. See this article: The Neanderthal Paradigm by Dr. Valerius Geist

17 posted on 08/25/2006 12:29:06 PM PDT by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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To: blam

I cannot believe I am the first to post this pic on this thread after at least 17 responses.

18 posted on 08/25/2006 12:33:58 PM PDT by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: Rytwyng

My neighbor strangled a moose to death. My other neighbor killed a black bear with an ax. What neanderthal would have done different? Or look different? Would a neanderthal drive a Ford or a Chevy pickup truck? A poll says Chevy 5 to 1.


19 posted on 08/25/2006 12:38:46 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Blam.

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20 posted on 08/25/2006 12:40:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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