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IBM Sends Open Source Architecture Tools to Russia
ebizQ ^ | 02/03/2006 | ebizQ

Posted on 02/03/2006 1:39:00 PM PST by Golden Eagle

IBM today announced free software and educational resources to help developers in Russia build and deploy innovative applications based on open standards and open source.

Tapping into the booming software development market in Russia, IBM is giving software developers, architects and students free access to software and hundreds of new tools and technical and educational resources that will enable them to more easily build open standards-based applications.

With a few clicks of a mouse, developers can download free versions of IBM middleware, IBM WebSphere Application Server Community Edition and IBM DB2 Universal Database Express-C, as well as access trial code, tutorials, technical forums, emerging technologies and blogs where IBM technical experts share their tips and expertise.

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Just a few years ago, IBM was fined for selling computer technology to Russia. Now I guess it's OK to just give them technology for free.
1 posted on 02/03/2006 1:39:04 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

That's not the only thing that you get in trouble for selling instead of giving it away........


2 posted on 02/03/2006 1:44:21 PM PST by Red Badger (...I will bless them that bless thee and those who curse thee I will turn into Liberals..........)
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To: Golden Eagle

Let their hackers have even more access to help them rip us off.


3 posted on 02/03/2006 1:44:49 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: N3WBI3; ShadowAce; Tribune7; frogjerk; Salo; LTCJ; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; clyde asbury; amigatec; ...

Maybe someone from the "open source ping list" can explain how this helps America and Americans? This IS your mechanism working as good as you could possibly hope, correct?


4 posted on 02/03/2006 1:47:13 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Maybe someone from the "open source ping list" can explain how this helps America and Americans? This IS your mechanism working as good as you could possibly hope, correct?

You misunderstand. It's not IBM's job to help America and Americans. IBM's job is to help IBM. I suspect this move will help IBM in many ways. They'll get all kinds of training and consulting work from this.

Perhaps the more pertinent question is: How does this harm America and Americans? G.E., can you tell us?

5 posted on 02/03/2006 1:50:56 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Abathar

Excellent point. From today as well:

Hacker groups in Russia were trying to sell exploit code for the recent Windows Meta File flaw before it was even discovered by security software companies.

http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2006/02/03/214046/RussianhackergroupssoldWMFexploitcode.htm#ContentContinues


6 posted on 02/03/2006 1:53:56 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
OK. What if IBM sold these components to a Russian firm for a tidy fee? How would such a transaction magically become acceptable solely by selling the code rather than releasing it as open-source?

Would it make a lickin' difference? Absolutely not--that is, except in your eyes.

Would there be any direct harm to the American economy? Probably not--and if there's any harm, lay it down on the table right here.

7 posted on 02/03/2006 1:59:03 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: Golden Eagle

Dear Golden Eagle,

I don't recall asking to be on any ping list maintained by you.

Could you remove me from whatever list you're using?

Thanks!


sitetest


8 posted on 02/03/2006 2:03:43 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: TChris
It's not IBM's job to help America and Americans.

Especially since most of their employees are outside the U.S. these days, right?

How does this harm America and Americans?

By lowering the value of software, which is currently a very important industry in the U.S. Why should the Russians buy anything from anyone else here, when IBM is buttering their bread for free?

9 posted on 02/03/2006 2:04:05 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: sitetest

It's n3wbie's "open source" ping list, which I downloaded for free. Isn't that how "open source" works, you give it away to others to use, for free and whatever purpose they choose? If you're really opposed to that philosophy, maybe you should ask him to remove you from the open source list.


10 posted on 02/03/2006 2:06:58 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: sitetest; N3WBI3
He doesn't have his own list AFAIK. I'm guessing he used the OSS pinglist.

If you read his post, it sounds like he got a hold of it and suckered us in--it's posted at N3WBI3's page.

11 posted on 02/03/2006 2:08:14 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: Golden Eagle
Especially since most of their employees are outside the U.S. these days, right?

Whether they are or are not, why is it any of my concern? Or, more to the point, why should it be the concern of America as a whole? Does IBM have the right to hire whomever it chooses?

By lowering the value of software, which is currently a very important industry in the U.S.

Lowering the value of whose software? Their own? You'd like someone (The US Govt?) to stop them from affecting the value of their own products? Or maybe you'd like to stop them from lowering the value of the free products they're sending to Russia?

Why should the Russians buy anything from anyone else here, when IBM is buttering their bread for free?

Again, why should I care? What do you propose I, others, the US Govt do about it?

G.E. -- Is there any real harm, damage or threat that you can point to? All I see from your posts so far is vague, theoretical, future, possible stuff that might be bad for someone, somewhere.

13 posted on 02/03/2006 2:12:47 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: rzeznikj at stout
acceptable solely by selling the code rather than releasing it as open-source? Would it make a lickin' difference?

Obviously, it would. Are you recommeding people give their houses away, or would they do better by selling them? Or are you seriously claiming there is no difference between the two? Can I have your house then, or whatever you might actually own?

15 posted on 02/03/2006 2:13:40 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

Dear Golden Eagle,

"It's n3wbie's 'open source' ping list, which I downloaded for free."

Are there ping lists that folks charge for??

If so, I'm interested in renting out my Classical Music Ping List!! I'll consider any and all offers!!

No, but seriously. I think that's a very nice way to do it. And open list. Seems like a nice idea. I don't follow these threads quite as religiously as some, so I didn't realize that, but I think that sounds really good.

However, I would appreciate it that when you use the list, you leave me off.

Thanks!


sitetest


16 posted on 02/03/2006 2:15:43 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: William Creel
Up yours, and stop trolling.

What's wrong, don't like it when you actually see "open source" in action?

17 posted on 02/03/2006 2:17:28 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: TChris
why should I care? What do you propose I, others, the US Govt do about it?

Some people don't care, like Bill Clinton, who removed almost all export controls on software by executive order his last day in office. I personally would like to see our policy changed back, to where firms like IBM are once again restricted by law from providing technology to potential adversaries, and fined heavily when they do it.

19 posted on 02/03/2006 2:20:45 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: William Creel
Russia has a lot of talented programmers, I guess IBM wants to tap into that. It's a shame that they don't use the same alphabet, cyrillic makes porting a bit harder.

Sounds like you have first hand experience transferring tech to Russia, either that or it's something you support. Did you think it was wrong of the U.S. to fine IBM previously for their transfers to Russia during the 90's?

20 posted on 02/03/2006 2:23:57 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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