Posted on 04/15/2005 7:11:19 PM PDT by CHARLITE
I am on the mailing list of several Islamic publications and almost without exception there was veritable glee over the liberal hue and cry from leftists for a more liberal pope.
If you read between the lines, you can very clearly see what these Islamics are hoping for: more moral decay in the already evil and decadent West. This evilness would then be used as the reason for the mass slaughter that lies ahead. Allah has demanded that the evil and sinful Christians be sent to the fires of hell and if Islamics are convinced that all Christians are evil, the followers of Mohammed can kill with a clear conscience.
The Quran already states that “all Christians will be burned in the fire,” but many moderate Muslims sensibly ask, “Why?” These non-violent Muslims must be whipped into shape for the battle, and time is short.
As Mohammed sat scratching out the Quran, he knew his biggest threat was then, and would be in the future, the followers of Jesus--Christians. Mohammed couldn’t just disregard Jesus, however, for he was too important. So he cleverly managed to make only the followers of Jesus evil while elevating Jesus to the rank of a prophet. The paradox is that the man was good, but his followers were bad. This is an interesting and unexplainable conflict.
Mohammed had to convince people that Jesus was not the Son the God. If Jesus was the promised Messiah, there would have been no need for another prophet and no need for Mohammed because the prophecy would have been fulfilled.
Mohammed referred to Christians often and always with venom and hate. This is just a few of the lines from the Quran that refer to Christians: “Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him.” “Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in?” “Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire.”
Mohammed tried to convince the Jews that he was their promised Messiah, but they didn’t believe him. Jews became the hated ones. Jews rejected Mohammed and they quickly felt his wrath. This blind hatred continues to this day. While Islamics hate the Jews, they don’t see the Jews as a collective threat to Islam. Jews are just used for target practice. The war with the Jews is just a prelude for what is to come.
Christians, however, were a lost cause right from the start. Christians had already accepted Jesus as the promised Messiah long before Mohammed was even born. History told Mohammed that Christians were a stubborn bunch. They had been fed to lions, tortured, crucified, beaten, and still, Christianity thrived and grew. Even the powerful Romans could not stop them.
There was a time when Mohammed and his handful of followers hid among Christians from enemies who wanted to kill him. It was during that time that he selectively picked from Christianity those features that he felt suited his purposes and he discarded the rest.
In fact, in the beginning Mohammed was quite fond of Christian monks. He said of them in the beginning of the Quran: "You will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those ... who say: We are Christians; there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly." As time passed, his opinion of the solidly Christian monks and priests changed considerably. Mohammed later told his followers not to listen to them because they would lead them "from Allah's way." Translation: Christians won’t follow me so they are now the enemy.
The seeds of hatred for Christians and Jews were planted early and often in the minds of Muslims.
When many Islamic leaders came to pay homage to Pope John Paul II, the radical element of Islam was outraged. They seemed to say: How dare Islamic leaders show respect to the leader of the enemy! While the pope is the leader of the Catholic Church and not all Christians, many in Islam know that when the final battle begins, Christians will close ranks and they will look to a single leader to guide them. More than likely, it will be the pope. After all, many people believe that every Christian religion is a splinter group of Catholicism. We all believe that Jesus was the Son of God. That belief will unite us.
Islam has no central leader to look to for guidance. It is fragmented and disjointed. In short, Islam has pope-envy.
Islamics know there are not enough Jews in the world to stop them, but Christians, now that is a different story. I have found it fascinating that Mohammed paid little attention to Buddhists and Hindus. Both existed long before Islam. Is it that Mohammed didn’t have much contact with anyone other than Jews and Christians, so they were just ignored by the all-knowing and all-seeing Mohammed? Mohammed seems to have overlooked millions of people who have no desire to follow the teachings of Islam.
Islamic hatred is directed right at the group of people that Mohammed knew would be the people to stand up to Islam and defeat his followers someday: The followers of Jesus Christ. In fact, that defeat has been predicted.
St. Malachy, an Irish Bishop who died in 1148 A.D., left behind a list of the popes to come. He gave them all one identifying line. Historians who have studied St. Malachy’s list have said that he was remarkably accurate. What is unsettling is that there are only two more popes on his list.
The new pope, whose identity is still unknown, has been predicted not only by St. Malachy, but St. Benedict as well. St. Malachy identified the next to last Pope to lead the Catholic Church with the line, “The Glory of the Olive.” St. Benedict stated that this as yet un-elected pope would be from his order, which interestingly is also known as the Olivetans. Frankly, I don’t see a conflict in their predictions. Both stated that this pope would be the one who would make the stand and lead Christians into the final fight against evil--a fight that they predicted Christianity will win.
Centuries ago, Mohammed heard a voice in his head. Whether it was his own voice he heard or that of someone--or something--else, we do not know. What is obvious is that the warning was clear: Beware of the Christians.
I have no doubt that Islamic leaders will be watching to see who is chosen to lead the world’s Catholics and perhaps, ultimately, all Christians. I am sure they are hoping that a weak, liberal pope will take the reins of the only real threat to Islam. A weak pope will allow the decadent West to move even farther from the teachings of Christ.
I also have no doubt that this will not happen. If the cardinals make the wrong choice, it will be corrected just as quickly as it was when they made the wrong choice prior to Pope John Paul II. Humbled, the cardinals will return to bury yet another pope and then pick the correct man that is destined to be pope.
If the end-time is coming, and I have no idea if it is, and the duel prediction of two saints is true, the dye is already cast. The future is already in motion around us and it will be up to the followers of Christ to face the followers of Mohammed. How long it will take and how many will die, I have no idea but I have no doubt as to the outcome. God cast out the devil once. He will do it again, with, or without us.
Comments: dickens502003@yahoo.com
I was not the one who made the proposal.You did.
In post #32, you state "The fact that [Islam] is growing so rapidly just makes it an imminent threat that must be taken seriously, exposed and destroyed. (IMHO)"
So, I would like to hear your "humble opinion" about just what are you proposing here.
First of all, what you are proposing is monstrous, monumental genocidal proposition of unprecedented proportions. The world has over one billion Muslims.
Second, there is nothing imminent or "unexposed" about Islam. It has been around for 1300 years. It has been opposed and beaten back and contained by Christian Europe over a course of centuries.
The current problem is the fact that Islam became radicalized and internationalized in the last 50 years. When you understand, hopefully, one day how and why, maybe then you'll be able to come up with a less idiotic proposition.
On the point of an Islamic society - you bet, I agree - there would be few civil liberties left. But we can look back in time to when Christians were killing each other in Europe over relatively small differences in theology, never mind non-believers like myself. You might say we could never go back, but I believe that we have to stay constantly vigilant, lest we do.
I grew up in a small town in the Bible Belt and there was a lot of pressure on 'free speech'. I've certainly felt pressure to keep my mouth shut for over evolution, abortion and the fact that I don't believe in God. There was constant and overwhelming societal pressure to go to church - though fair enough I wasn't dragged there (except by my mother).
More broadly, there are movements by so-called Christians in several state legistlatures against what I would call free speech and academic freedom (though these Bills are cleverly named things that seem to imply they support free speech) because they're trying to promote the teaching of "intelligent design" at University level. Others are encouraging pharmacists to deny people legal prescriptions, abortion clinic bombings, etc. etc, all based on their "Christian" morality. And what happens if you object to prayer in a public place...?
I don't think that these things are being promoted by people I would call good Christians. I was raised Christian, and there's a lot of good in Christianity - it's just not for me. What's also not for me is people moralising and legislating based on religion rather than rational discourse.
I don't live in the US anymore, but every time I visit my family I see how my country is changing, how it's becoming more militanty religious - and to me it's worrying. It's like building a fundamentalist society where your every act is governed by someone else's view of religion.
I'm fairly tolerant, I don't mind if someone else lives that way, but I don't want them to tell ME what to do based on THEIR holy writings. Nor do I feel I should have to go too far out of my way to accommodate someone else's religious sensitivities (but I'm a big believer in being polite!) Currently, we all have to tread carefully in the UK (where I live) not to offend Islamic sensitivities, in the US it's Christian sensitivities. If you don't, then you're called anti-Christian, Islamaphobic, etc.
Re. being anti-Islam, I wouldn't want to stop anyone from practicing Islam -I believe people should be free to practice their religion - in their private domain (home, church, etc.) even if I think it is a religion with little redeeming value. Because I believe our Western values of liberty are right and include a set of freedoms, including freedom to worship.
The threat to our country- and our Western values isn't from all Muslims or all people raised Muslim, but from fundamentalist Muslims who seek both peaceful and legal means and violence to force their way of life on others. But if to counter their ways, we restrict our own liberties, THEY have won. If people become more fundamentalist in their Christianity to counter this and ALSO try to alter others' behavior accordingly - I think we all lose. I think we fight fundamentalism and bad religion by being clear, rational, secular and tolerant and we fight the violent promotion of bad religion with effective, well-funded and well thought-out and fair law enforcement.
Welcome to FR (and I'm guessing to the Orthodox contingent here).
Struggle well! and Kalo Pascha!
Lewis (if only on the basis of his little book The Abolition of Man) shows that the gift of prophecy is not lost in the West (even if it's a bit less impressive than the gift shown by recent Orthodox monastic elders).
I'm beginning to wonder whether the last of his children's novels doesn't contain a prophecy of the nature of the Antichrist--the 'Anti-Aslan' is a fraud supported by a Narnian arch-secularist and the Calormenes (thinly disguised Muslims), pushed on the basis of a 'we all worship the same god' syncretism.
Howdy...
I am about to head out of town for a week (ages and ages in FR time), but I wanted to let you know that I think you're right on track about how the anti-liberty crowd is aiding the Islamicist movement, not stopping it.
Are you sure of this? I have read recently that Christianity is vastly outpacing Islam in the world. Africa alone has more Christian converts that Islam world-wide.
The problem is one of double counting. Since it is a capital offense to abandon Islam, Muslims who convert to Christianity do not make a lot of noise about it and are still listed as Muslims by the local Muslim communities.
"Christians will close ranks and they will look to a single leader to guide them. More than likely, it will be the pope."
Yeah, right.
Lemme see if I got this straight, Fred. I thought they were beyond nuttiness before but you have opened up a whole new vista of the bizarre.
These half-baked barbarians are strapping bombs to themselves for 72 white raisins to be served up in a garden of flowing waters?
Drop in again sometime, Fred.
They are taught, in their ubiquitous madrassas, that it's 72 virgins. According to Islamic scholars, (and/or authorities on the Koran), the virgin notion derives from a faulty interpretation (or copy/transcript) of the Koran, quite a long time ago. The original (it is claimed) says 72 raisins, although I've never heard just what's so special about white raisins.........and for sure, the radical recruiters of suicide bomb volunteers realized that fact also. As you rightly point out, no young male is going to blow himself up for raisins!
Therefore, if the correct "word of Allah" was "raisins," then the error in transcribing that changed the passage to "virgins" was in the interests of terror recruiters. So they left it that way. Makes sense........but only from the perspective of people with a mentality similar to those who believe in tooth fairies and Santa Claus.
Spare me the sermon. Tell me what you you think we should do about it -- spell it out. You and and some others yell "fire" and just stand there.
Just tell us what is your solution to this threat. A genocide? Outlawing Islam? Get real!
I am tired of all you armchair philosophers "discovering" threats and having no solutions to offer.
I would like to see Islam not classified as a religion and therefore not protected as a "religion" in this Country!
You won't like any of my other ideas either so I'm NOT going to waste your time.
Thanks for the "civil" debate.
What a cop out! How generous of you! You don't even know what religion is. Islam is an organized faith. That makes it a religion, whether you or I like it or not. For the record, I don't like one bit of it. But Islam is a reality, whether we like it or not.
My ancestors were under Islamic rule for centuries. Yet it is America that seems to be helping the Muslims all over the world. We helped the Taliban. We helped the Bosnian Muslims. We helped the Kosovo drug trafficking Muslims. We are indirectly helping the Chechen Muslims. We are buddy-buddy with the seed of Islamic fundamentalism, the Wahhabi kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Spare me this nonsense. State your "plan" on just how you intend to "expose" (what nonsense -- Islam is standing out like a sore thumb and needs no more exposure than it already has), and destroy it (your own words). How do you propose to do that without committing genocide on an unprecedented scale? Do you even understand what you are suggesting? There are one billion-plus Muslims on this earth. Just how is your "final solution" for Islam going to proceed? Are you going to "outlaw" Islam? Or are you going to tax is out of existence?
Do me a favor, grow up first.
Muhammad as the 7th century's theological liberal. Hah!
But the Muslim thing goes quite a bit beyond that. Jesus avoided the cross and ended up in his native Arabia. Judas was crucified in his stead. So they say.
BTW Jesus' mother Miriam (Mary) was the very same Miriam as Moses' sister, thus cutting out all the post-Torah Jewish history.
Twisted Christianity, twisted Judaism, with a bit of Jahilia (pre Muhammad Meccan cult) thrown in. Mecca was a pilgrim's target before Muhammad. You may have heard the bit about Moon worship, but that's an over-simplification, though not entirely false.
Islam may be "Abrahamic", but it's a bizarre twist. A Satanic twist, maybe.
The notion of Arabs as descendants of Ismail is an Arab conceit, not supported by the Bible. Or anything else, but their say so.
>> I am tired of all you armchair philosophers "discovering" threats and having no solutions to offer. <<
And I am tired of all you folks who give the death cult known as islam a free pass.
What to do:
1) Shutdown the borders using lethal force if necessary.
2) Suspend all immigration for 10 years.
3) Round up all illegal aliens and deport them.
4) Cease all aid programs to hostile countries (like france, NK, and all ME tyrannical regimes such as Syria and Iran)
5) Monitor mosques in this country. If they preach hate or incite violence, deport all who attend and raze the mosque.
Don’t hand me this crap about monitoring infringing on freedom of religion either. Monitoring what is being taught does not impede the freedom to worship. If the mulims don’t like it, we have another freedom, the freedom to LEAVE.
So, you don't believe Islam is a Religion of Peace?
Islam is standing out like a sore thumb and needs no more exposure than it already has
IF you believe it is a ROP then you're statement is correct.
I believe Islam is a threat to the future of this Country and there are many that still haven't got a clue.
We are buddy-buddy with the seed of Islamic fundamentalism, the Wahhabi kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Does this bother you? It outrages me. This is what I meant by expose. Why is this being tolerated?
Yes, kosta50, I am new here and still have a lot to learn. I didn't know to vent on FR or state my opinion meant I had to have a solution. I did make some statements that, after you pointed them out, I realize I shouldn't have made. There are many things I would "like" to see happen...the elimination of the ACLU, the borders closed, liberals shipped off...oh never mind...
Don't worry, I'm just a mom raising 3 kids trying to learn what we need to do to prevent another 9/11. I have no power to implement any of my radical ideas. And no, I don't want to commit genocide...actually, I'd like to see Muslim's rescued from Islam. I'll probably get slammed for that statement too.
Or are you going to tax it out of existence?
I'm against taxes.
Do me a favor, grow up first.
Learning from our mistakes helps us to grow, right? Seriously, I'm here to learn. Point out my mistakes, if you must, but there is no need to insult me.
Have a nice day!
Can we extend that invitation to the hate America crowd?
What happened to the liberals moving to Canada?
On a more important topic...
Prayers answered. Texas Cowboy is feeling good today!
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