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Backing Limbaugh, ACLU goes to court
AP/ The Boston Globe ^ | 1-13-05 | Jill Barton

Posted on 01/21/2005 8:24:58 AM PST by RushCrush

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Rush Limbaugh and the American Civil Liberties Union do not agree about much, but they are in accord that the conservative radio commentator's medical records should be off-limits to prosecutors.

The Florida ACLU filed court papers yesterday supporting Limbaugh's argument that investigators violated his constitutional right to privacy when they seized his medical records in November to investigate whether he violated drug laws when he purchased prescription painkillers.

"It may seem odd that the ACLU has come to the defense of Rush Limbaugh," the state chapter's executive director, Howard Simon, said in a statement. "But we have always said that the ACLU's real client is the Bill of Rights, and we will continue to safeguard the values of equality, fairness, and privacy for everyone, regardless of race, economic status, or political point of view."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: aclu; holdonnow; landmarklegal; lyingaclu; marklevin; oxycontin; privacy; rushbashers; rushlimbaugh; wodlist
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1 posted on 01/21/2005 8:24:59 AM PST by RushCrush
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To: RushCrush

Cruel irony!


2 posted on 01/21/2005 8:26:21 AM PST by The Teen Conservative (Taglines really get me worked up to write something in them for nothin', y'know?)
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To: b4its2late; Recovering_Democrat; Alissa; Pan_Yans Wife; LADY J; mathluv; browardchad; cardinal4; ...

3 posted on 01/21/2005 8:26:27 AM PST by Born Conservative (Those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself." - Richard Nixon)
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To: RushCrush

They're only evil 99% of the time.


4 posted on 01/21/2005 8:27:26 AM PST by explodingspleen (http://mish-mash.info/)
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To: RushCrush

This is just the ACLU trying to clean up its leftist image. It's just for show.


5 posted on 01/21/2005 8:30:03 AM PST by Spok
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To: explodingspleen

They are just supporting him cause they probably are all heavily dependant on pain killers.


6 posted on 01/21/2005 8:30:04 AM PST by Brian328i
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To: RushCrush
Howard Simon, said in a statement. "But we have always said that the ACLU's real client is the Bill of Rights, and we will continue to safeguard the values of equality, fairness, and privacy for everyone, regardless of race, economic status, or political point of view."

Not really. This is an ACLU promotional move. It gives anti-Constitutionalists ACLU cover to further their extreme socialist agenda.

7 posted on 01/21/2005 8:30:19 AM PST by demlosers
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To: RS

In bed with the enemy Bump


8 posted on 01/21/2005 8:31:06 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...

Ping!


9 posted on 01/21/2005 8:33:08 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: RushCrush
Site Meter
Sometimes lawsuits makes interesting bedfellows...
10 posted on 01/21/2005 8:33:28 AM PST by KMC1
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To: Spok
Just for show? Then was it just for show when they supported the right of the KKK to march thru the heavily Jewish suburban town in Illinois? Skokie, I belive it was......
11 posted on 01/21/2005 8:34:06 AM PST by Red Badger (And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you FReep!........)
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To: Jay777
This is just the ACLU trying to clean up its leftist image. It's just for show.

This could (I don't know, and no one can really be sure) also relate to their overwhelming urge to protect abortion. If a prosecutor could get Rush's records, could that be a precedent for parents getting their children's records from a clinic?

12 posted on 01/21/2005 8:34:48 AM PST by Seņor Zorro
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To: All
Why couldn't Rush choose one of these organizations? (perhaps we should file Christian cases to the ACLU?)
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition (GREATLY ORGANIZED ACTIVIST SITE..PLEASE JOIN) - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members

Anti-ACLU Page

The Center For Reclaiming America (petitions to congress)

The Becket Fund

Christian Legal Society

Pacific Justice Institute

Landmark Legal Foundation

American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy

The Liberty Council


Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list


13 posted on 01/21/2005 8:34:48 AM PST by Jay777 (Never met a wise man, if so it's a woman. Kurt Cobain)
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To: RushCrush

Hmmm... an interesting way for the ACLU to 'Hush Rush'


14 posted on 01/21/2005 8:35:26 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: RushCrush

Reminds me of an Onion headline from a few years ago: "ACLU Defends Man's Right to Firebomb ACLU Offices"


15 posted on 01/21/2005 8:36:14 AM PST by Mr.Pinette
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To: explodingspleen
They're only evil 99% of the time.

Let's say 99.8% and then we agree... LOL.

The ACLU should still be out of business.

16 posted on 01/21/2005 8:37:11 AM PST by b4its2late (If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried before.)
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To: Spok

Yeah, the KKK "proof of pure intent" was starting to get a little old. They needed something newer to prop up their crochety old credibility.


17 posted on 01/21/2005 8:38:35 AM PST by formercalifornian (Daschle b-gone!)
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To: RushCrush

I say it's good news. It's becoming more and more obvious that Rush's case was political and not criminal.


18 posted on 01/21/2005 8:38:54 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Why would Rush need help from the ACLU?


19 posted on 01/21/2005 8:40:15 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: RushCrush
the ACLU's real client is the Bill of Rights

If the ACLU does well by him, I doubt Rush will have anything negative to say about much that the ACLU says or does for a long time to come. Not only that, he might even try to temper whatever others have to say.

So, maybe the ACLU saw this as an excellent opportunity to stifle a lot of the criticism Rush and a few million dittoheads might have otherwise levied in the near future.

20 posted on 01/21/2005 8:40:52 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: Jay777

If I recall he didn't ask them to help him.

They just jumped in to help protect everyones rights, or so they are always saying. ha ha

Although I think Rush said that if they wanted to help him, he didn't mind.

Small point but at least he didn't ask them.


21 posted on 01/21/2005 8:41:11 AM PST by skyman
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To: Safrguns

"Great minds" and all that. ;O)


22 posted on 01/21/2005 8:41:33 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: explodingspleen

"They're only evil 99% of the time."

I agree. You know, back when I was a member (1996?) I had joined because not only did I see them marching with KKK folks, but I saw them, one time, defend a kid who said her hero was Jesus - the school said she couldn't draw a picture of Jesus and bring it to class. They were wrong. I saw other things like this and thought they were ok. I was wrong too :) This Rush stunt is just that - a stunt. They hate him, everything about him, and are trying to prove how unbiased they are. And just today, I go to the site to see the top articles and they are all critical of the Bush administration - the only administration who has ever taken terrorism seriously. Screw them.


23 posted on 01/21/2005 8:43:06 AM PST by mudblood
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To: RushCrush

24 posted on 01/21/2005 8:43:07 AM PST by hispanarepublicana (Miss Free Republic High School-198?)
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To: RushCrush

I don't care for the ACLU. I agree, the ACLU is as far left as they can be. HOWEVER, I am glad they, or someone like them exist. Their views, their constant opposition gives me a reason to think over my own position. It merely makes me more sure of where I stand, or on rare occassions, makes me rethink where I stand.

You know, I'm going to get flamed big for this, but what the heck, it's cold and it's Friday!


25 posted on 01/21/2005 8:46:36 AM PST by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: Red Badger

Actually, it was a neo-Nazi organization that wanted to march in Skokie, Illinois. And yes, these gestures are so rare and far between, I do not believe they are sincere in the least. They ignore 2d Amendment rights, property rights, and fervently promote religious persecution of Christians. Except for Limbaugh and Skokie, they consistently side with leftist, anti-American causes. Once in a blue moon they see an identity of interests with something other than the leftist movement. Skokie coincides with gay rights and environmental activism, and the Limbaugh case goes to medical privacy, upon which Roe v. Wade was based.


26 posted on 01/21/2005 8:46:39 AM PST by Spok
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To: demlosers

Exactly, Rush should tell them to back off. The ACLU is the constitutions greatest enemy.


27 posted on 01/21/2005 8:48:01 AM PST by jpsb
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To: RushCrush

The ACLU, I think, helped along with Alan Dershowetz(sp?)with getting Jim Bakker's (PTL) sentence lowered. (He was guilty but the sentence went way overboard). I was surprised by both when it happened. The problem is neither helps conservative causes enough to be relevant to me. In the case of the ACLU...it just needs to die. They do way more harm than good.


28 posted on 01/21/2005 8:48:55 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Those who proclaim tolerance have the least for my views.)
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To: RushCrush
"the ACLU's real client is the Bill of Rights, and we will continue to safeguard the values of equality, fairness..."

Other than the fact that they think the Bill of Rights is there to protect socialism.../

29 posted on 01/21/2005 8:50:58 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Spok

Yes, You are right. I'm mixing up another ACLU case with the Skokie case. However, I believe, The ACLU does do some good sometimes, Stopped clocks and all .......


30 posted on 01/21/2005 8:51:49 AM PST by Red Badger (And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you FReep!........)
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To: expat_panama

Exactly.


31 posted on 01/21/2005 8:51:58 AM PST by international american (Tagline not convinced.............................)
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To: RushCrush

IMHO the aclu is a day late and a dollar short. Why are they just coming to Rush's "aid" NOW? How long has his case been in the news, and these commie scum are just now announcing they are going to do something?

HA!

The most they would do is file some phoney "Friend of the Court" brief and blow their own horn. IMO, they just saw the writing on the wall--Rush has this case won with his own lawyers, and the aclu is just piling on so they can show how magnamimous they are.


32 posted on 01/21/2005 8:53:09 AM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: RushCrush; All

THE ACLU IS GOING TO COURT TO PROTECT MEDICAL PRIVACY FOR ABORTION RIGHTS NOT RUSH!!!

The fear of the ACLU types is the medical privacy issue which is crucial for keeping abortion procedures out of the eyes of the law.

The ACLU does not care about rush, they are just attending to their leftist agenda. If Rush looses this case, the left looses a shield in their cases.


33 posted on 01/21/2005 8:54:17 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: brownsfan

I can see your point though- it's kind of like being grateful that DU exists, otherwise we wouldn't really know how great we are ;)


34 posted on 01/21/2005 8:54:58 AM PST by RushCrush (FOUR MORE YEARS!)
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To: b4its2late
They're only evil 99% of the time.


Let's say 99.8% and then we agree... LOL.


Nonsense! The Anti-American Civil Liberties Union's motive is what counts, and they are EVIL 100% of the time.
35 posted on 01/21/2005 8:56:31 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Born Conservative

I don't believe Rush had anything to do with the ACLU hopping aboard. I also do not believe Rush will lighten up on his attacks on the ACLU. He runs from nobody.


36 posted on 01/21/2005 8:56:44 AM PST by international american (Tagline not convinced.............................)
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To: Spok

>>This is just the ACLU trying to clean up its leftist image. It's just for show.<<<

Exactly it is for show.
Rush has a good laywer he doesn't need them getting involved.

so pfft


37 posted on 01/21/2005 8:57:36 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: GarySpFc

the aclu is just keeping up the medical privacy laws for abortion rights.


38 posted on 01/21/2005 9:00:57 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: RushCrush
So now Rush is citing Right to Privacy as outlined in the 14th to prevent the police from obtaining his medical records.

If Rush is willing to argue that case he should not only have the ACLU on his side but also the Baby Killers at NARAL.

39 posted on 01/21/2005 9:04:39 AM PST by trumandogz
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To: longtermmemmory
the aclu is just keeping up the medical privacy laws for abortion rights.

And so is Rush Limbaugh.

40 posted on 01/21/2005 9:05:31 AM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

Rush is for abortion rights? or do you mean that this means he's for abortion rights only by association?


41 posted on 01/21/2005 9:07:56 AM PST by RushCrush (FOUR MORE YEARS!)
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To: RushCrush

>>But we have always said that the ACLU's real client is the Bill of Rights

That is pure Barbra Streisand (BS). The ACLU's real agenda, from the beginning, is Marxism. If you want confirmation, research how many times the ACLU represented "The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms", or "Free Exercise of Religion". They are left-wing, Marxist liars (of course, left-wing, Marxist, and liar are redundant).


42 posted on 01/21/2005 9:11:51 AM PST by PhilipFreneau (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. -- Psalms 14: 1, 53:1)
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To: RushCrush
Rush is for abortion rights? or do you mean that this means he's for abortion rights only by association?

Roe v. Wade is based on the 14th Amendment and the 'right to privacy' as seen by the Justices when the decision was made.

Rush is agreeing that the 14th Grants a Right to Privacy and is basing his defense on that theory.

Go read the 14th and see if you see anything that may even imply a 'right to privacy.' I do no see it and therefore believe Roe v. Wade was a flawed decision.

However, from the looks of his Defense it would appear that Rush believes the 14th grants a Right to Privacy and therefore believes woman have a right to privacy when it comes to visiting an abortion doctor.

43 posted on 01/21/2005 9:14:32 AM PST by trumandogz
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To: Jay777
Why couldn't Rush choose one of these organizations?

I don't think Limbaugh himself had anything to do with the ACLU getting involved. He didn't ask them to, and he's mentioned their involvement only in passing when commenting on his case. He sure isn't plugging the ACLU.

Having said that, however, I wish he would have gone on the air early on and publicly told them "Thanks but no thanks." Maybe he felt at the time that he needed all the friends he could get.

44 posted on 01/21/2005 9:18:36 AM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: Jay777

Hey Jay, Rush has been using the Landmark Legal Foundation. He and Mark Levin are real close.


45 posted on 01/21/2005 9:19:23 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Never play leapfrog with a unicorn!)
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To: trumandogz
Rush is agreeing that the 14th Grants a Right to Privacy and is basing his defense on that theory.

Rush is basing his case on a Florida law which says medical records are to be obtained by subpoena and prior notice.

I don't believe the US Constitution has been used by his defense attorney.

46 posted on 01/21/2005 9:21:42 AM PST by Ken H
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To: CFC__VRWC
Rush may not have invited the ACLU on board but Rush is maintaining that he has a RIGHT TO PRIVACY the very same Argument made by Roe in Roe vs. Wade.

Now does Rush only support HIS Right to Privacy or does he also support a woman's Right to Privacy when visiting her doctor?

47 posted on 01/21/2005 9:23:02 AM PST by trumandogz
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To: Ken H
The posted article states:

The Florida ACLU filed court papers yesterday supporting Limbaugh's argument that investigators violated his constitutional right to privacy when they seized his medical records in November to investigate whether he violated drug laws when he purchased prescription painkillers.

Looks to me that he is citing his right to privacy.

48 posted on 01/21/2005 9:25:32 AM PST by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

AFAIK, the only contention by Roy Black is the violation of the Florida statute governing medical record privacy. Now, perhaps the ACLU raised the issue in their filing, but I don't think the Rush team has.


49 posted on 01/21/2005 9:30:32 AM PST by Ken H
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To: trumandogz

The Florida Constitution does have a specific clause guaranteeing a right to privacy. I'm not a legal expert and cannot cite the article or section, but I know that it does exist. The article is unclear (typical for the agenda-driven rubbish that passes for "journalism" these days; never let facts get in the way of spin) about whether this action is in state or federal court, but I'm pretty sure it's state.


50 posted on 01/21/2005 9:30:52 AM PST by CFC__VRWC
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