Posted on 12/06/2004 6:01:37 PM PST by FrankRepublican
Anyone know if Bush has rammed this pro-Mexico illegal alien bill through?
Looks like Bush is an open borders RINO. Please note I am a Bush volunteer and wrote a lot of checks to the RNC and Bush-Cheney 04. I guess my money really is going to Senor Vicente Fox aka narco trafficker.
Yeah I do like Pat Buchanan and Savage.
Bush's position has never changed on this since he first started pushing this program of his publicly in 2001. Some people were asleep at the wheel, that's all.
All in good time! I don't think the Senators who want changes re: drivers' licenses are going to let it drop.
Just one piece of paper, a license which I assume you already carry. Any law enforcement officer can ask to see it at any time today, so what is the difference if those that may look like they are here illegaly, get bothered to prove they are legal? It would prod them to assimilate into our culture, and make them EXTREMELY uncomfortable if they cannot communicate in the language of the land.
Allowing illegals to set up a system and peoples committed to scoffing at our most basic of laws, has built a framework that can be used to bring our country down from within. It(the illegal immigration) has much in common with the underground drug community. Both usage of drugs, and illegal aliens are bad for our country, either we eliminate nearly all illegal immigration(and drugs), or change our laws to ease the financial burdens. They both breed contempt for standards, that is much more dangerous than the acts themselves.
Tancredo's staff said it was too much to expect to deport illegal aliens. Anymore suggestions???
"You shouldn't even try to argue with the nuts in this thread. They're as obsessed with immigration as the DUers are with "Bush stole the election"
Free Republic Opinion Poll: Do you approve of the plan to let some of the eight million illegal aliens in the United States move toward legal status without penalty -- but with social security benefits?
Composite Opinion
No 85.2% 1,400
Yes 8.8% 145
Undecided 6.0% 98
100.0% 1,643
" What's convenient for illegal aliens is also convenient for terrorists. "
Last week the Secty. of Defense had this to say:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/16/ldt.01.html
DOBBS: Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is warning of the threat of terrorists entering this country through the same routes as those used by illegal aliens. Secretary Rumsfeld, traveling in South America, warned that enemies look for weaknesses and take advantage of them.
DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: The risk is that some of these human-smuggling routes into our country from this hemisphere could be used just as easily for terrorists.
DOBBS: And three million illegal aliens are estimated to be entering this country this year.
Secretary Rumsfeld also said the United States has to be, as he put it, smarter and quicker in securing our borders. The federal government's failure to secure those borders is leading individual states to take action. Arizona's Proposition 200, which limits state benefits for illegals, passed overwhelmingly two weeks ago. Now at least half a dozen other states are considering similar measures.
Congressional Switchboard: 1-877- 762-8762
"when you have 1000+ people crossing illegaly each day "
The current estimate for all our borders are 10,000 per day.
You have to be kidding. Most Senators and Bush are against every immigration reform provision that Sensenbrenner supports especially the prohibition on granting drivers' licenses to Illegal Aliens. Though, come to think of it, I would not be surprised if Bush uses some of the immigration reforms as bargaining chips to pass his Amnesty...then do everything possible to undermind the reforms after the Amnesty passes.
Redondo Beach has been forbidden to enforce the law regarding solicitation...judge ordered today
Day worker arrests are halted in Redondo Beach
Federal judge's temporary restraining order targets city's ordinance aimed at those seeking jobs on street corners.
By Alison Shackelford
Copley News Service
Tuesday, December 07, 2004
Day laborers in Redondo Beach had their day in court Monday, and won -- temporarily, at least -- when a federal judge ruled that they can't be arrested for soliciting employment on public streets and sidewalks.
U.S. District Judge Consuelo B. Marshall issued a temporary restraining order against the city of Redondo Beach, preventing officials from arresting, warning or fining the workers, who have been targeted by police in recent months for violating a 15-year-old city ordinance limiting where they can solicit work.
In her ruling, Marshall wrote that "there are serious questions as to whether (the city's ordinance) is constitutional.
"The hardship that day laborers face due to possible arrests, fines and loss of livelihood outweighs the potential disruption of traffic flow and quality-of-life issues asserted by the city," she added.
The restraining order will remain in effect until Monday, when Marshall will rule on whether to grant a longer-lasting preliminary injunction against the city.
Lawyers for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, which filed the lawsuit against Redondo Beach on behalf of the workers, said they were pleased with the decision.
"We feel like we have a really strong case," said MALDEF attorney Shaheena Simons, adding that she feels confident the judge will grant the preliminary injunction next week.
Jerry Goddard, city attorney for Redondo Beach, said the ruling was disappointing.
"We see this as a substantial safety issue," he said. Day laborers often run into the street to solicit business, causing traffic hazards, he said.
"I know that people are seeking employment, and I applaud that ... but streets are for people to drive on. If the court says we can't enforce this ordinance, it's going to create a safety issue," Goddard said.
MALDEF filed the lawsuit in mid-November after some of its attorneys marched with hundreds of day laborers to protest stepped-up enforcement of the city law. Plainclothes officers began conducting sweeps in August in response to increased complaints from local businesses, and dozens of workers were arrested and fined after hopping into cars with undercover officers.
Thomas Saenz, MALDEF's lead attorney on the case, argued that while the ordinance banned an array of otherwise legal activities, it had only been enforced against day laborers and thus violated their First Amendment rights.
"It's difficult to see the ordinance as anything but targeted against a specific group," Saenz said. A fund-raising high school car wash with students urging motorists to pull over should be impacted, but isn't, Saenz said.
While the livelihood of the day laborers could be severely hurt by Redondo Beach's ordinance, the city had other options for enforcement, Saenz continued. If the city bars workers from streets and sidewalks, they may have nowhere else to go.
"In parking lots, it is distinctly possible that private owners ... would seek to ban day laborers," Saenz said, adding that the city's "concerns with the flow of traffic could be easily addressed with existing laws."
The attorney who represented Redondo Beach in court Monday, Gene Ramirez, argued that the city wanted to regulate traffic hazards, not free speech.
"We're not opposed to day laborers," Ramirez told Marshall. "We're just opposed to the way they do it right now."
The ordinance is based on a Phoenix law that was deemed constitutional by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in 1986.
"If it's good enough for the 9th Circuit in Phoenix, it's good enough for Redondo," Ramirez told the judge.
But Saenz argued that decision is outdated and differs in many respects from the Redondo Beach case. Marshall said his reasoning "raises serious questions" about the Redondo ordinance.
Look, leaving all the personal invective aside... believe it or not I really do care about better protecting our borders. What I take offense at, and perhaps too easily, is all the backbiting and insults hurled at the Border Patrol, the Coast Guard and Customs. While you or some other posters here on FR might not think so, I believe these organizations are staffed by dedicated professionals that really do care about doing the best job they can.
Yes, we should double or triple the budgets and personnel for these agencies. This would probably result in a ten percent improvement in border 'stops'.
People around here throw around terms like "sealing" the borders as if it were something that was actually possible, and it ticks me off. Yes, we need to get a better handle on illegal immigration, but we also have to be realistic and try not to insult those who work their asses off every day doing the best they can.
I'm all for it.
Actually, no... I'm not just randomly asked for my papers by law enforcement, and I don't think I'd like it if I was.
Well kiddies. It looks as though the American people are on their own. The so called leadership will do anything to help those who are harming the citizenry. Self help on the part of the American people is increasingly looking to be the only option left!
Honestly I have never seen anyone trash those agencies. In fact, I have seen, on this forum the utmost respect for them. I think, and rightly so, that the politicians have been trashed. It's the politicians who pander, disregard the law in favor of illegal aliens and create roadblocks to the enforcement of existing laws. Then there is the issue of the judicial system that usurps and legislates from the bench.
People around here throw around terms like "sealing" the borders as if it were something that was actually possible, and it ticks me off.
Of course it's possible. We just have to convince the politicians of that. At the same time we need to create as hostile an environment as possible, through enforcement of the current punative laws, against employers and enablers of illegals. It has to start there. We can make millions of laws but if no one enforces them what's the point?
As far as the personal invective I thought you were asking your question from an adversarial point of view. If you weren't stringing me along then I apologize. There are a few on this forum to whom illegal aliens are their bread and butter. It sounded as though you were one of them.
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