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Five Lone Stars. Mess with Texas? Sure. Divide it into five states.
OpinionJournal.com ^ | August 22, 2004 | Austin Powers

Posted on 08/22/2004 9:19:07 PM PDT by John Jorsett

What would you say if we told you we have a way to add as many as eight new Republican senators to Congress? We could also add eight right-leaning votes to the Electoral College. It's simple, it's fun, and it's perfectly constitutional: Texas should divide itself into five states.

Article IV, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution says that new states may be created out of existing ones, but only with the consent of "the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

These days, a partisan Congress would never agree to a Texas carve-up, since any resulting new states would surely be politically conservative. But Congress need not take any action at all today: It granted its consent to Texas's potential subdivision 159 years ago. This made sense, as those had been the terms that Texas, a sovereign nation at the time, had negotiated for entering the Union. One provision of the 1845 Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas, passed by Congress and signed into law by President John Tyler, reads as follows:

"New States, of convenient size, not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas, and having sufficient population, may hereafter, by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the federal constitution."

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KEYWORDS: congress; constitution; largelandmass; moresenators; representation; republicoftexas; senate; texas
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1 posted on 08/22/2004 9:19:07 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett

North Texax, South Texas, West Texas, East Texas, Central Texas. (I guess.)

Think about the screaming if one of the Texases wanted to retain the unadorned name Texas!


2 posted on 08/22/2004 9:23:20 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: 1riot1ranger; Action-America; Aggie Mama; Alkhin; Allegra; American72; antivenom; Antoninus II; ...

HOUSTON PING


3 posted on 08/22/2004 9:23:58 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: John Jorsett

Do we really want more of these Yahoos? :'(


4 posted on 08/22/2004 9:24:13 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Restorer

Well San Jacinto WAS where the final battle for independence was won.


5 posted on 08/22/2004 9:24:44 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: Restorer
Texas should divide itself into five states.

No doubt, the capital of the largest one would be called Texico.

6 posted on 08/22/2004 9:25:34 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Restorer

South Texas would go Democratic. We would need to be part of central or east.


7 posted on 08/22/2004 9:25:48 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Restorer

West Texas would go Demorat

It would include El Paso county....


8 posted on 08/22/2004 9:25:52 PM PDT by Bobalu (This is not the tag line you are looking for.....move along (waves hand))
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To: weegee

If we can have North and South Dakota and Carolina, why can't we have several Texases?


9 posted on 08/22/2004 9:26:18 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: John Jorsett
NO, I am Californian and even I say NO

This is ass whopin' talk~~ it should be kept private, preferably at the bottom of an out house.

10 posted on 08/22/2004 9:27:51 PM PDT by Porterville (```I need representation against my union~~ They are extorting money~~~)
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To: Restorer

Texmex, Texahoma, Texagulf, Texas and Texaco.


11 posted on 08/22/2004 9:28:02 PM PDT by ontos-on
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To: John Jorsett
As an Arkansan, I can say that this would have both good and bad to it. For the bad, we would have five Texases. For the good, none of them would be big, big, big and proud of it.

I would recommend that we form them into Longhornia, Aggieland, BobKnightia, Highland Park, and Hell.
12 posted on 08/22/2004 9:28:28 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Restorer

East TX belongs in Arkansas, West TX belongs in New Mexico, the Panhandle in OK, and the Valley can go to Mexico or become independent. :)


13 posted on 08/22/2004 9:29:03 PM PDT by des
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To: John Jorsett
I wish they would do the same with NY


14 posted on 08/22/2004 9:30:04 PM PDT by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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To: ontos-on

North Texas could assume the proud name of Baja Oklahoma.


15 posted on 08/22/2004 9:30:20 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: des
East TX belongs in Arkansas

Why you hate us so? Surely even Bill Clinton is not enough for you to wish this on us. (well maybe so)
16 posted on 08/22/2004 9:30:20 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Restorer
If there is ever statehood for Puerto Rico or some other regions, we will get over our "50 states/100 senators" fixation.

Washington, D.C. keeps seeking statehood (as asinine as "living" at City Hall).

I could see splitting California into 2 states as well.

17 posted on 08/22/2004 9:30:29 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: John Jorsett

NO NO NO! Ain't never gonna happen!


18 posted on 08/22/2004 9:30:35 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: des
and the Valley can go to Mexico

I don't think so ! :')

19 posted on 08/22/2004 9:30:53 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: John Jorsett

The Northern Republic of Texas
The Southern Republic of Texas
The Eastern Republic of Texas
The Western Republic of Texas


20 posted on 08/22/2004 9:31:18 PM PDT by coconutt2000
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To: Restorer

Not Texahoma?


21 posted on 08/22/2004 9:32:42 PM PDT by ontos-on
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To: John Jorsett

Just divide the pie in 5 parts laterally slanted so that each state has a north, central and south.


22 posted on 08/22/2004 9:32:51 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: qam1

Hehe good idea...

Could say the same for Ohio, but I'd have to move as then I'd be in the Socialist part.


23 posted on 08/22/2004 9:32:51 PM PDT by RockinRight (Liberalism IS the status quo)
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To: qam1

I've been looking for a similar map of CA. Do you know where I could find one?


24 posted on 08/22/2004 9:34:34 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: ontos-on

Oklas?


25 posted on 08/22/2004 9:35:39 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: John Jorsett
This could be good. It might actually encourage California to break up in to two or three states.
26 posted on 08/22/2004 9:37:00 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: des
A lot more Americans have Texas to thank (although their regions went to the US to cover war debts).


27 posted on 08/22/2004 9:37:10 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: Restorer
This is from the 2000 Election.

BLUE is Bush, RED is Gore:

From this site:

http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/

This is the 1996 Clinton/Dole map:


28 posted on 08/22/2004 9:41:54 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: MeekOneGOP; basil; TexasCowboy
Here we go again.....
PING

Maybe instead of splitting it up we should take back all of the original.

29 posted on 08/22/2004 9:43:14 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: weegee

Thanks a lot! About what I suspected.

My county is red.

Sigh.


30 posted on 08/22/2004 9:44:10 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: CindyDawg

"South Texas would go Democratic."

With my most humble of apologies, Ma'm, Im' sure you meant 'Democrat' rather than 'democratic'.

Just extending a gracious correction.

(he walked right past her, said something, and with a tip of the hat, he was gone.)


31 posted on 08/22/2004 9:45:21 PM PDT by BluSky (Liberalism - destroying live's, one failure at a time.)
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To: Fiddlstix

FWIW, that extreme northern extension is due more to 19th century misunderstanding of the geography than any thing else.

As I understand it, Texas claimed to the headwaters of the Rio Grande, which doesn't put you anywhere near Wyoming.


32 posted on 08/22/2004 9:47:18 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: CindyDawg
Slice the state from "center" like a pie. The resulting lines would somewhat resemble a star.

Population densities would leave major cities El Paso, San Antonio, Houston, Dallas-Metroplex, and maybe Austin in different states.

33 posted on 08/22/2004 9:47:30 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: John Jorsett

NEVER


34 posted on 08/22/2004 9:49:38 PM PDT by Adrastus (If you don't like my attitude, talk to someone else.)
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To: qam1

I don't suppose that little red dot in the center of Tompkins County would be the People's Republic of Ithaca and environs, by any chance? ;>)


35 posted on 08/22/2004 9:52:31 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Restorer

The left will never accept splitting the state veritically down the middle. They know "their half" is expected to drop into the ocean when the "big one" hits. Also, they would be in control of oil off the coast.


37 posted on 08/22/2004 9:52:39 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: qam1
Leave out Dutchess County! Or I'll return to liberate it!
38 posted on 08/22/2004 9:52:50 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: Restorer

Florida has two fairly distinct sections. I wouldn't mind not being in the same state as W. Palm Beach County, among others.


39 posted on 08/22/2004 9:55:54 PM PDT by skr ( A 40 minute brain freeze during a crisis won't get my vote.)
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To: weegee

God I hate liberals. Look what they have done to my beautiful state.... We have got to get them out of San Francisco... it is such a beautiful city... and the Nazis walk freely there. As a true blue CA that gew up in the mountains... we have got to take it back... If you know a liberal, fire them, fire them and make them work in Barstow or Needles... get them away from the coast.


40 posted on 08/22/2004 9:56:01 PM PDT by Porterville (```I need representation against my union~~ They are extorting money~~~)
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To: Restorer
I've been looking for a similar map of CA. Do you know where I could find one?

No sorry, I made the NY one myself.

Also,

* Take the Oregon and Washington border and turn it vertical in the middle, So one state is made from the Western coast area and the other is what is now Eastern Washington/Oregon. I guess we can call them Washore and Gonington.

* Merge Ct. and RI. There are towns bigger than RI, It doesn't deserve to be a state on it's own. Yes I know we would lose a seat but we are going to anyhow someday soon, At least we have only 2 rats instead of 4. Or what the hell merge Massachusetts in with them.

* Same with Delaware, Give it to Maryland

* Carve out a state from Madison WI through Milwaukee through Chicago and end the eastern border at Cary Indiana.

* Split California in 2

* I not sure of the demographics of Ohio, So I could be off, But possibly carve a new state from Detroit to Cleveland

41 posted on 08/22/2004 9:58:16 PM PDT by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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To: John Jorsett
This was already posted, it was hilarious thread.,P>As a Texan, I don't like the idea.

Plus there are liberal parts of Texas and it won't work.

42 posted on 08/22/2004 10:00:08 PM PDT by GeronL (Viking Kitties have won the GOLD MEDAL in the 2,000 meter ZOTTING)
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To: Porterville

Truly stated from the soul.


43 posted on 08/22/2004 10:00:21 PM PDT by BluSky (Liberalism - destroying live's, one failure at a time.)
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To: Fiddlstix

I'm originally from N.Y. One thing I know, Don't Mess with Texas!


44 posted on 08/22/2004 10:06:01 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: John Jorsett

Come and take it.

:^)


45 posted on 08/22/2004 10:13:40 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Grab a couple feet of tagline and jump right in)
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To: John Jorsett

Give the Texans 10 Senators instead of only 2? I'm OK with that.


46 posted on 08/22/2004 10:18:38 PM PDT by Redcloak (This is my most clever tag line ever!)
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To: Liberty Valance

Molon Labe, you mean

Another latin phrase I enjoy is "Delende Est!"


47 posted on 08/22/2004 10:19:07 PM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: Liberty Valance; John Jorsett; All
Come and take it.

:^)

Well Said, LV J

48 posted on 08/22/2004 10:20:12 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: weegee
How's this?


49 posted on 08/22/2004 10:24:32 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Fiddlstix

WooHoo! I would have been born in Texas!


50 posted on 08/22/2004 10:25:33 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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