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DNA tests say Lindbergh fathered three children in Germany
AFP ^ | November 29, 2003

Posted on 11/28/2003 2:18:21 PM PST by Paladin2b

MUNICH, Germany (AFP) - DNA tests have confirmed that all-American hero and aviator Charles Lindbergh fathered three illegitimate children in Germany, their spokesman said.

In a statement, he said the tests supported their assertions that Lindbergh, who won instant celebrity for making the first solo, non-stop transatlantic flight in 1927, was their father.

The probes, examined by a Munich university medical centre, compared their DNA with a sample from a member of Lindbergh's family.

The result, handed in writing to the three last week, showed a probability of paternity of more than 99 percent."They never had any doubt about the question," the spokesman Anton Schwenk told AFP when asked about their reaction.

He said they had since made contact with Lindbergh's US family.

Astrid Bouteuil, now 43, and brothers Dyrk and David Hesshaimer, 45 and 36 respectively, told the German Sueddeutsche Zeitung daily in August that they only learned their father's identity after his death in 1974.

According to them, quoting a clutch of letters he wrote, Lindbergh fell in love with a 31-year-old Munich hat maker, Brigitte Hesshaimer, during a visit to Germany in 1957 and continued to see her until his death.

The children were born between 1958 and 1967. They were listed in official records as "father unknown," but they say he visited them often and supported them financially.

They said they only felt able to come forward after their mother died two years ago.

The spokesman said the children would not be making any comment.

A book and a television documentary are currently in production in Germany about the affair.

Traditionally, Lindbergh has been portrayed as a happily married family man with five children. The claims that he fathered illegitimate children were met with deep scepticism in the United States.

Schwenk said, however, that Bouteuil and the Hesshaimers had met in Europe with members of Lindbergh's US family since August. "The establishment of family relations will grow naturally," he added. "The gap of so many years cannot be bridged in a few hours." Later in August, the German news magazine Focus claimed that Lindbergh had another two illegitimate children in Germany -- the fruits of a relationship with Hesshaimer's sister Marietta. It said Marietta was now living in Switzerland in a house built for her by the aviator.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: charleslindbergh; dna; france; germany; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; illegitimate; lindbergh; loneeagle; turass
Hmmmm...so the Lone Eagle had more than one nest...
1 posted on 11/28/2003 2:18:23 PM PST by Paladin2b
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To: Paladin2b
More like three extra eggs in the nest
2 posted on 11/28/2003 2:19:24 PM PST by cyborg (mutt-american)
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To: Paladin2b
That last business about the sister is pretty strange.
3 posted on 11/28/2003 2:22:51 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Paladin2b
By the way, there's a photo of the three in the link...no doubt about it, they're his.
4 posted on 11/28/2003 2:22:55 PM PST by Paladin2b
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To: Paladin2b
Are there ANY democrat, Communist-loving humans on Earth that know what marital vows mean?
5 posted on 11/28/2003 2:27:48 PM PST by HighWheeler (def.- Democrats: n. from Greek; “democ” - many; “rats” - ugly, filthy, bloodsucking parasites.)
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To: Paladin2b

6 posted on 11/28/2003 2:28:43 PM PST by HighWheeler (def.- Democrats: n. from Greek; “democ” - many; “rats” - ugly, filthy, bloodsucking parasites.)
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To: Paladin2b
Gee thanks, Dad.
7 posted on 11/28/2003 2:29:45 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: HighWheeler
As I recall, Lindbergh was accused of being more of a Nazi-lover than a Commie-lover.
8 posted on 11/28/2003 2:29:52 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Paladin2b
Here's a link to the thread on FR when the story broke in August.

German Paper Reporting That Charles Lindbergh Led a Double Life.

longjack

9 posted on 11/28/2003 2:33:32 PM PST by longjack
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To: Paladin2b
He believed in the "utility" of commercial aviation.
10 posted on 11/28/2003 2:33:50 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Paladin2b
Wonder when we are going to see Bill Clinton's bastards start popping up? Probably several in England and maybe a few in Moscow.
11 posted on 11/28/2003 2:38:07 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Paladin2b
I must be on scandal overload, since I thought the article said 'Limbaugh fathered three children in Germany"

Okay, time for a walk.

12 posted on 11/28/2003 2:40:16 PM PST by Wormwood (Repeal the 17th Amendment)
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To: Paladin2b
This news ruins the Lindbergh biographies.

Sorry, folks, you missed a big part of the story.
13 posted on 11/28/2003 2:42:29 PM PST by aculeus (I cut and paste. You decide.)
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To: Paladin2b
These "extra" children can now claim U.S. citizenship if they wish.
14 posted on 11/28/2003 2:43:42 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: HighWheeler
I've never seen a guy wear his tie outside his buttoned sport coat...thanks.

FMCDH

15 posted on 11/28/2003 2:48:39 PM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: HighWheeler
And who's the babe?...Is that JamieLeeCurtis in "TrueLies" or "A Fish Named Wanda"?

FMCDH

16 posted on 11/28/2003 2:50:56 PM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: Paladin2b
According to them, quoting a clutch of letters he wrote, Lindbergh fell in love with
a 31-year-old Munich hat maker, Brigitte Hesshaimer, during a visit to
Germany in 1957 and continued to see her until his death.


Youngish, attractive female and an older, famous, rich (relatively) and powerful male
find a mutually beneficial arrangement.
This is news?

As Dr. Fraiser Crane (Kelsey Grammer) once told a matronly caller complaining about
the older guy-younger woman thing:
"Madame, I don't make the rules. I just enjoy them."
17 posted on 11/28/2003 2:56:33 PM PST by VOA
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To: Paladin2b
I read once that his father (or his father's father?) had changed his named to "Lindbergh" from "Mansen."


Charles Lindbergh could have been Charles Mansen.
18 posted on 11/28/2003 3:03:41 PM PST by stands2reason ("Don't funk with my funk."--Bootsy Collins)
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To: Paladin2b
I guess that gives new meaning to "Lucky" Lindy.
19 posted on 11/28/2003 3:06:33 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Paladin2b
He was probably suffering from prop lag and didn't know what he was doing.
20 posted on 11/28/2003 3:07:29 PM PST by Consort
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To: Paladin2b
Wow! The son on the right looks just like him... and like his nephew that does that arthritis medicine commercial on TV...
21 posted on 11/28/2003 3:10:16 PM PST by AK2KX
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To: Paladin2b
Another Jewish conspiracy...
22 posted on 11/28/2003 3:13:24 PM PST by pabianice
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To: AK2KX

23 posted on 11/28/2003 3:15:34 PM PST by HighWheeler (def.- Democrats: n. from Greek; “democ” - many; “rats” - ugly, filthy, bloodsucking parasites.)
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To: Paladin2b
I have always wondered about the case against Bruno Hauptman. I have heard some people speculate that the Lindberg baby may have died as a result of abuse by one or both the parents and a coverup ensued. Certainly Hauptman would never have been convicted of the crime today considering the flimsy and what many believe to be cooked evidence brought to trial. Hauptman's widow maintained until her death very late in life that her husband was not guilty of the crime. Mr. & Mrs. Lindberg remained strangley silent on the affair for the rest of their lives after the trial.

Lindberg suported the Nazi's until the start of WWII and we now know that he lead a double life. Is it a reach to think that everything with the Hauptman trial was not quite right? What else do we not know about this man?
24 posted on 11/28/2003 4:08:25 PM PST by Centennial (What really Happend to the Lindberg baby?)
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To: Paladin2b
While I was reading "The Spirit of St. Louis" in junior H.S., Lucky Lindy was boffing a young honey. That's kinda weird to think about.
25 posted on 11/28/2003 4:09:45 PM PST by gg188
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To: Centennial
What else do we not know about this man?

Who knows. He had three different families and was willing to ruin their lives so he could get his jollies. As big of a creep as they come.

26 posted on 11/28/2003 4:25:05 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Take my advice; I don't use it anyway.)
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To: Centennial
General Schwartzkopf's Dad was the head of the NJ State Highway patrol at the time of the Lindbergh kidnapping. When his dad passed away, Gen Schwartzkopf assembled his papers which were, I believe, donated to West Point. In his book regarding the Gulf War and his role in Middle Eastern affairs, he mentions that when he perused his fathers papers the the evidence regarding Hauptmann's conviction was overwhelming!

Lindbergh was a part of the America First Movement along with Henry Ford and others. He traveled to Germany before WWII and his communiques regarding the development of the German Aircraft Industry might be considered espionage in favor of the US of A. He was not a NAZI sympathizer. He had resigned his commission when he thought that FDR was pursuing an improper foreign policy, (sound like Iraq today?) since the America First Movement was an isolationist organization. Dec 7, 1941 changed that for the America Firsters. Ford pledged his fortune and industrial might to the war effort and he would convert the famous River Rouge facility from auto to aircraft manufacture.

Lindbergh would accept a training position as a Col. and would eventually fly Corsair and P-38 combat missions in the South Pacific. In 1964, while at ROTC summer camp, I met a Col who headed the Syracuse ROTC detachment. He was one of the P-38 pilots who was instructed by Lindbergh on how to maximize your range by proper flight control and fuel mixture maintenance. This Col., then, a Lieutenant, had participated on the famous Yammamoto mission. He had flown top cover when the intercept was made and splashed a couple of Zeros. The flight commander directed him to dive on and finish off the Yammamoto aircraft but as he lined up the Betty was buring and crashed into the jungle. You can imagine our attention as we cadets listened to this war story on that sunny August day in 1964 at Otis AFB. He did specify that the mission was successful for the training that Lindebergh had provided!

Lindy Link!

27 posted on 11/28/2003 4:41:07 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: HighWheeler
The woman in the middle and the picture of Lindbergh - the resemblance is incredible. Same way of standing, and smiling.
28 posted on 11/28/2003 4:55:38 PM PST by I still care
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Why does it turn out that so many of our heroes just don't have feet made of clay, they are just about 100% clay. When a husband has a family, and then cheats on them with an "outside" woman, he has stolen from his family the real attention a good father should give his kids. Let alone fly to Europe and have a whole new family in another country. Didn't he also "steal" from the illegitimate kids in Germany? Wouldn't they have loved to have had a real loving dad? Even thou those now adult German kids look fine and well adjusted, everybody involved deserved more. Except daddy "lucky Lindy", who needed a kick between his legs.
29 posted on 11/28/2003 5:12:08 PM PST by Lockbar
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To: Centennial
"I have always wondered about the case against Bruno Hauptman. I have heard some people speculate that the Lindberg baby may have died as a result of abuse by one or both the parents and a coverup ensued. Certainly Hauptman would never have been convicted of the crime today considering the flimsy and what many believe to be cooked evidence brought to trial. Hauptman's widow maintained until her death very late in life that her husband was not guilty of the crime. Mr. & Mrs. Lindberg remained strangley silent on the affair for the rest of their lives after the trial."

Hauptman was guilty through and through. The Lindberg baby certainly did NOT die at the hands of either parent or any other relatives. There is simply no evidence that this was the case. In the 1930's crime victims did not do tell-alls for the press. They kept their dignity, and both Linberghs were shy introverts who avoided the press, in any case.

Please read Jim Fisher's two books on the subject and/or visit the New Jersey state police archives where the Lindbergh evidence and documenation are stored and see for yourself if the evidence looks "cooked". Anyone can look at the evidence, freely. If it were tampered with, would the State Police make it public?

The handwriting evidence which ties Hauptman to the ransom notes is as compelling and obvious as any I have ever seen, both in writing style and phrasing. His criminal past in Germany was of a type that foreshadowed the kidnapping.

His wife's long campaign notwithstanding, Hauptman was guilty. So-called "evidence" presented by sensational authors is just plain made-up and is not factual; it is also riddled with errors that are easy to spot with even the most basic research.

Read Jim Fisher. He has exonerated others who were blamed for crimes in other books of his. He started his research thinking Hauptman was framed but learned otherwise. He spent years on the Lindbergh case and is the world's leading authority on the crime, and his books are fascinating, as well.

Hauptman was not framed, and he was not innocent. He was caught because he passed ransom bills for years in and around the Bronx and Manhattan. Salesclerks who took the bills from him described him on several occasions, and the descriptions matched him when he was caught. He had ransom bills on him when he was taken in, and a large cache of them was buried under the floor in his garage. A wood-products expert spent years tracing the wood in the kidnap ladder from a sawmill with a mis-adjusted blade which showed up on the ladder rails, to a Bronx lumberyard which turned out to be very near Hauptman's home, and finally to a piece of missing board from Hauptman's attic flooring. His research was very, very convincing.

It always hurts me to see the old "Hauptman was innocent and framed" stuff repeated because the truth has been published and is so easy to access.

30 posted on 11/28/2003 5:13:12 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Paladin2b
Any old timers remember this? Small replicas were made and sold as Lindy ladders. Today it would be on a T-shirt. -Tom
31 posted on 11/28/2003 5:39:30 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Anything done in moderation shows a lack of interest. - Capt. Tom)
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To: The Great RJ
Probably several in England and maybe a few in Moscow.

I would suspect more in Moscow. He seemed to favor commies anyway.

32 posted on 11/28/2003 5:52:13 PM PST by Mark17
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To: HighWheeler
Of the three, the male on the right bears the most resemblance....tall and lanky, too.

The Lindbergh marriage was strained for a few years in the 50's according to some biographies. Anne Morrow Lindbergh (his wife) was said to have had an affair with her doctor at some point. Perhaps this was during the same period of time.

Lindbergh was, indeed, a complicated fellow.
33 posted on 11/28/2003 6:55:15 PM PST by Swede Girl
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To: Cicero
Lindbergh, as well as dozens of major media and industrial giants in the 1930s...were supporters of Germany. They all felt that Germany was going in a positive direction and rebuilding. Even as 1942 comes around...most of these characters were still pro-Germany...they simply kept their mouth shut.

What makes this a fascinating story...is that Lindbergh did not take up with a famous actress or bankers daughter...she was simply a hatmaker. The other interesting thing...is this kind of affair would be impossible to carry out today.
36 posted on 11/29/2003 9:42:32 PM PST by pepsionice
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Note: this topic is dated November 28, 2003.

Blast from the Past.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

Thanks Paladin2b.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


37 posted on 06/08/2013 8:03:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Cicero

Different sides of same coin


38 posted on 06/08/2013 8:09:59 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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