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Pajamas Media calls Iowa race between Romney and Thompson
Red State ^ | December 16, 2007

Posted on 12/16/2007 7:01:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

That's right Huckbots, while Brian Pickrell does not rule out a Huckabee win, he claims that the race is really between Fred and Mitt. As a supporter of Mr. Thompson, I'll live with Mitt as well.

According to Pickrell...

I find it hard to believe that Huckabee is actually leading in the polls here in Iowa. Every person I spoke with told me that they’re supporting Romney or Thompson and that everyone they knew or worked with (who are also Republicans) feels the same way. None of them have even considered Huckabee as a serious choice. It could be a fluke in the polling process or it could be a fluke in that I know people who are politically aligned with me and they, in turn, know and talk to others who think the way they do. Or it could be a little of both. I don’t really know for sure.

I've been saying this all along. After much phone calling to Iowa, I've yet to talk to anyone who cites Huckabee as their #1 Rudy and John fans should not be offended, we know they have ruled out that state, just like it comes of no offense to me when I see Fred has no shot in NH.

Pickrell goes on to say...

As I mentioned earlier, the people I have spoken with are supporting either Romney or Thompson, and everyone they know is doing the same thing. They have seen little support for Huckabee. Either it’s a flaw in the polls or a fluke in that like-minded conservatives tend to talk about these things with each other (“birds of a feather”, you know).

Insert Huckabee screaming in a Deanesque fashion here... Yaaaaaaaah!

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TOPICS: Arkansas; Iowa; Massachusetts; Tennessee; Campaign News; Parties; Polls; State and Local
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What? Pollsters lie? Never!
1 posted on 12/16/2007 7:01:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you poll Democrats you get Huckabee.


2 posted on 12/16/2007 7:04:19 PM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: golfisnr1
When you poll Democrats you get Huckabee.

That's 'cause Huckabee IS a Democrat. Just has a (R) behind his name.

3 posted on 12/16/2007 7:07:38 PM PST by madison10
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Actually polls aren’t worth a spit in Iowa, in the primary caucuses, the last prediction I saw say as few as fifty thousand may turn out.
4 posted on 12/16/2007 7:08:04 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Michael Dale Huckabee gets his poor ego boosted
by the free face time on MSM/DNC stations.
5 posted on 12/16/2007 7:17:02 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy,Romney,McCain, Huckabee will send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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To: madison10

Did you see that Pat Buchanon called Huck a “Christian Conservative” on CNN today?


6 posted on 12/16/2007 7:18:35 PM PST by Soliton (Freddie T is the one for me! (c))
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To: Soliton
Did you see that Pat Buchanan called Huck a “Christian Conservative” on CNN today?

Don't have cable, so I didn't see that. Is Pat looking for a job? Huckabee may be conservative in his "Christianity", but he's Liberal on other issues...the one's that count. Not voting for Huckacrat if I can help it.

7 posted on 12/16/2007 7:22:08 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

Pat Buchanan has finally become what he once described in Vice President Spiro Agnew’s “Des Moines” speech: A nattering nabob of negativism!


8 posted on 12/16/2007 7:27:37 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Until I read your post concerning the Prestigious Pickrell Family poll I was all gung ho for Huckabee. Now I’m way demoralized....sigh...(sarcasm on).
9 posted on 12/16/2007 7:28:08 PM PST by topfile
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ever notice how when Fred does something good everone
post GO FRED GO in 48 point font. I think the’re hoping to wake
him from his slumber.


10 posted on 12/16/2007 7:34:18 PM PST by topfile
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To: golfisnr1; 2ndDivisionVet
When you poll Democrats you get Huckabee....

well, thats' pretty damning :).....but they probably want/like John McPain, too...
and I just gave FRed $25.

11 posted on 12/16/2007 7:35:49 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, FRed, Run. :^)
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To: topfile

He’s hardly slumbering. The “Fred’s Dead/Tired/Lazy/Old/No-Fire-In-His-Belly” is getting about as old and tiring as the “War for Oil” and “Bush’s Fault” bullsh*t the Dems have been spouting off for the last 6 years.


12 posted on 12/16/2007 7:37:37 PM PST by RockinRight (Fred Thompson spells gravitas B-A-L-L-S-O-F-S-T-E-E-L.)
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To: topfile

Wow! That is so frickin’ funny!

Did you make that up yourself? You must be a comedy genius!


13 posted on 12/16/2007 7:38:06 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal superfecta: huckabee, romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: topfile

I mean, seriously: that is the freshest, hippest comedy line I’ve ever heard! Kudos and congratulations on your comedy career!


14 posted on 12/16/2007 7:39:25 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal superfecta: huckabee, romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: topfile
Oh my God!

High-larious! You're a comic god! Please ping me to your next witty bon mots! I'm dyin' here.

15 posted on 12/16/2007 7:41:19 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal superfecta: huckabee, romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: RockinRight
I could easily support Fred, but ever time I hear him speak my eyelids get heavy. I’ve been very disappointed with him. Initially Bob Novak’s early review of Fred really steamed me, remember that one? But you know, he was right. I hope his numbers REALLY pick up. I doubt it though. How would his laid back, summer hammock style campaigning go in general election?
16 posted on 12/16/2007 7:53:40 PM PST by topfile
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To: topfile
I think the’re hoping to wake him from his slumber.

You really do need new material, the "lazy" "slumber" jabs are genuinely pathetic at this stage of the game......for your own good stop embarrasing yourself.

17 posted on 12/16/2007 7:58:07 PM PST by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: HerrBlucher

So you think Fred is pacing himself? Explain his strategy.
I expected much more from him.


18 posted on 12/16/2007 8:09:06 PM PST by topfile
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One of my friends from Iowa the other day told me he was going to vote for Huckabee just for the fact that he was ahead in the polls.

My mom also likes Huckabee, but after I told her a few things about his record, I think she started to change her mind. She doesn’t live in Iowa though, she lives in Illinois.


19 posted on 12/16/2007 8:12:05 PM PST by RatsDawg (Hsu out the Democrats in 2008!, Go Hsu-less vote GOP)
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To: topfile

I’m sure his one goal is to impress YOU.

Some of us are impressed by knowledge and conservative principles.

I don’t want a nanny or cheerleader for President.


20 posted on 12/16/2007 8:18:38 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee is the GOP's Jimmy Carter. Are you ready for Huck the Schmuck to plunder your pocketbook?)
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To: jellybean; Politicalmom; girlangler; KoRn; Shortstop7; Lunatic Fringe; Darnright; babygene; ...
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21 posted on 12/16/2007 8:19:30 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee is the GOP's Jimmy Carter. Are you ready for Huck the Schmuck to plunder your pocketbook?)
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To: Petronski

LOL, next thing you know he’ll tell us Fred is a “stalking-horse” for McCain.


22 posted on 12/16/2007 8:27:44 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: lesser_satan

Oh, that one was resurrected somewhere today.

*Sigh*


23 posted on 12/16/2007 8:29:29 PM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee is the GOP's Jimmy Carter. Are you ready for Huck the Schmuck to plunder your pocketbook?)
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To: Politicalmom
I think Fred has great Credentials. However, he is not yet connecting with a lot of folks, not just ME. I expected a lot better articulation of those principal than Fred’s given.
24 posted on 12/16/2007 8:31:15 PM PST by topfile
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As a Fred supporter, this news is a real upper. It’s not unlike some other information I’ve heard out of Iowa, but it’s great to see confirmation from other sources.

GO FRED!!!! [Yes, I'm waking him from his slumber....and I’m sure he is asleep because the big Iowa bus tour blitz begins tomorrow.]

25 posted on 12/16/2007 8:32:40 PM PST by Route66 (America's Main Street - - - Fred D. Thompson / Consistent Conservative...The One with Gravitas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
he claims that the race is really between Fred and Mitt.

Pollster Kellyanne Conway gave the same opinion on FOX this morning.

26 posted on 12/16/2007 8:35:20 PM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: Politicalmom
I’m sure his one goal is to impress YOU.

No, Fred is going to win by trying NOT to impress the voters. It's his way or the highway....

27 posted on 12/16/2007 8:37:27 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Politicalmom
I don’t want a nanny or cheerleader for President.

Hmmmm, well Huck is clearly the Nanny so who would be the cheerleader......Mitt? Yah, I guess I could see him in pullover sweater and with a bullhorn cheering for whatever team is winning at the time.

28 posted on 12/16/2007 8:42:18 PM PST by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Fred’s strategy exactly.


29 posted on 12/16/2007 8:45:14 PM PST by topfile
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To: RockinRight
“He’s hardly slumbering. The “Fred’s Dead/Tired/Lazy/Old/No-Fire-In-His-Belly” is getting about as old and tiring as the “War for Oil” and “Bush’s Fault” bullsh*t the Dems have been spouting off for the last 6 years.”

Well put. All you have to do is follow Fred Thompson.

If you follow what the media reports on him, you miss a whole lot.

30 posted on 12/16/2007 8:49:07 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In my view the overwhelming likelihood is that Romney takes Iowa — simply because he has spent so many months and millions of $$ there that he will probably be able to bus more people to the caucuses.

Thompson’s campaign has said that they’re shooting for at least third place. If he comes in second, it’s a huge win. On the other hand, if Romney gets anything other than a major victory, he may be in trouble. It’s an expectations game — that’s why Romney is trying to position himself as the underdog despite all the millions he’s spent.


31 posted on 12/16/2007 8:53:42 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: topfile

Oh please stop! My sides hurt! Your wit and delivery are beyond my mortal ability to describe! Spare us more paroxisms of laughter....just stop. Oh yeah, and WAKE UP!


32 posted on 12/16/2007 9:01:00 PM PST by Uriah_lost ("I don't apologize for the United States of America," -Fred D Thompson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I still think that the polls are being manipulated/gamed (Moby’d) somewhere along the way.


33 posted on 12/16/2007 9:02:17 PM PST by Uriah_lost ("I don't apologize for the United States of America," -Fred D Thompson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
SURPRISE, not a surprise to me, I have been telling my wife, the nominee is going to be FRED.

Don't pay attention to the guy behind the curtain.

34 posted on 12/16/2007 9:25:55 PM PST by agincourt1415 (Fred08)
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To: Route66
" As a Fred supporter, this news is a real upper. It’s not unlike some other information I’ve heard out of Iowa, but it’s great to see confirmation from other sources. "

" GO FRED!!!! [Yes, I'm waking him from his slumber....and I’m sure he is asleep because the big Iowa bus tour blitz begins tomorrow.]"

Yes, he maybe or may have been slumbering, but ? remember what Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto once said :

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

Fred Thompson is a sleeping Giant, and once he awakes, FEAR THE FRED !!
The MSM is afraid of Fred awakening and winning the nomination and winning the general election.
It's Fred, and us against the MSM , we GOT TO WIN THIS for the sake of our country people.
The ONLY clear choice in 2008 is : THOMPSON/HUNTER ticket.
We the people have to stand up and fill in the void for Fred and get the word out by the word of mouth ( The MSM won't do it for Fred ), I have been telling people about Fred and most people I have talked to said ? really ? he is running ? I like Fred.

This is to Fred Thompson... Fred ? please awaken, search your heart for the strength and put your heart into this like Rocky.... You are fighting this battle for us and our country, FRED ? YOU CAN WIN THIS,,,, GET YOUR HEART INTO THIS !!
35 posted on 12/16/2007 9:34:42 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: topfile
I have supported Fred from the beginning, since there was talk about his running for President.
I do admit, I got weary waiting for him to announce he was running and in the last few months of wondering what the heck was going on with his campaign , now it seems he has gotten back on stable footing and going for the prize for us.
Since he started to run, I have always supported him and never wavered, please my friend, support Fred, he needs us so he can win this fight for the sake of our country.
If Fred won't be able to help our country ? who will ?
I can't count on the other politicians to help this country and Fred is the only one I see who can pull it off with our help.
WE THE PEOPLE drafted Fred to run, and WE THE PEOPLE have to get Fred over the top to win.

The ONLY clear choice in 2008 :

THOMPSON/HUNTER .... 2008..

36 posted on 12/16/2007 9:42:21 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: agincourt1415
Don't pay attention to the guy behind the curtain.

In this case the guy behind the curtain is the MSM pushing Huckabee 24/7. They're afraid of Fred. He doesn't follow their carefully scripted rules.

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37 posted on 12/16/2007 9:43:42 PM PST by barker ( A smile is a curved line that sets things straight.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Let’s hope Fred can get it going in Iowa and carry it through to the General Election. Watching his performance in the debates has been painful. Fred lost a lot of support in the previous You Tube debate where Huckabee shined.
Thus many former Fred supporters found a “fire in the belly”
Candidate they could see getting broad General Election support. I’m one. Let’s see what Fred can go do now as the spotlight is fading fast. History has shown that an IOWA wins translate into the next Republican Nominee.
38 posted on 12/16/2007 10:02:49 PM PST by topfile
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To: topfile
I expected much more from him.

I expected more from you.

It is beyond me that there are people who consider themselves serious about politics and conservatism who want an "entertaining" presidential candidate. If you are an adult, serious about conservatism, and have an attention span greater than two minutes, you have to grant FDT that he has interesting positions worth listening to. And his take no prisoners attitude is clear in his speeches and debate appearances, which should entertain even the most attention deficit individual.

The guy is not boring unless you simply refuse to listen.

39 posted on 12/17/2007 1:48:54 AM PST by TN4Liberty (A liberal is someone who believes Scooter Libby should be in jail and Bill Clinton should not.)
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To: TN4Liberty; topfile

It is questionable whether the poster you are responding to possesses the qualities you describe. More likedly just another detractor who won’t admit who they actually do support.....from either party.

Accurate observations from you though, TN4.

courtesy ping


40 posted on 12/17/2007 4:53:57 AM PST by prairiebreeze (I am unapologetically celebrating CHRISTMAS!!)
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To: topfile

My opinion is that Thompson’s problem stems from lack of coverage. He is “the one who is never spoken of” on the MSM.

I’m not a FRedhead but I support him over everyone else because I have researched him myself. He is getting no coverage.


41 posted on 12/17/2007 7:08:35 AM PST by netmilsmom (Financing James Marsden's kid's college fund, 1 ticket, 1 DVD at a time.)
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To: barker
Kids, we are the Professional Pajama Media, don’t try to watch the Main Stream Media, they never get it right!
42 posted on 12/17/2007 9:01:26 AM PST by agincourt1415 (Fred08)
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To: TN4Liberty; prairiebreeze
Entertaining is a very shallow word to use. I would prefer words like inspiring, motivating, and convincing. Leadership qualities that Fred possesses infrequently to my utter dismay. I’m a Christian social conservative and I made no secret here that I like Mike, and could easily pull the lever for Fred as well. The truth sometimes can be difficult. But Fred needs more than conservative credentials and ideas but needs to connect with a broader range of Conservatives than yourself. If I say “the Great Communicator” who do you think of? Fred does not come to mind, at least for me. Reagan had a very good understanding of this concept. Fred SHOULD, and that’s whats so frustrating about him. “There he goes again” every heard that? How about “No hands today”. I’m sure even you enjoyed that. Fred needs a lot more of this to connect. But he waits until no one is watching. Further, it's important for everyday folks to identify with him. Maybe only Elite Conservative think-tankers are worthy of Fred. How much of the Electorate do they make up?
43 posted on 12/17/2007 3:48:54 PM PST by topfile
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To: topfile

Fred is leagues above Huckabee in both conservativism and ideas. I thought at one point, if forced, I could possibly hold my nose and pull the lever for Huckabee.

Until I found out how soft on criminals he is.

NO THANK YOU!

And yes, if catchy phrases and slogans is what does it for you, then I’d say you are swayed by charisma and entertainer qualities. Personally, I prefer ideas, plans and platforms.

Which is where Thompson has Huckabee beat hand over fist.


44 posted on 12/17/2007 3:54:16 PM PST by prairiebreeze (I am unapologetically celebrating CHRISTMAS!!)
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To: prairiebreeze

Your free to attack and can dismis my insight. I think you may be missing my point however. It’s about a broader appeal than you or I. By the way Fred IS an Entertainer.


45 posted on 12/17/2007 4:13:52 PM PST by topfile
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To: topfile

You are very thinned skinned, aren’t you. Nobody “attacked” you....I explainted why I disagree and why I believe your judgement and probably your motivation, is in error.

Yes, Fred was an actor for a time. He was also a US Senator, Chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Watergate counsel, and author of the report, “Government on the Brink,” (Volume 1 and Volume 2) detailing the waste, fraud, and abuse of federal agencies as well as the management challenges facing the incoming Bush Administration. To name just a few of his other accomplishment, there are of course, many more.

Finally, we are just now about to begin the process of seeing just what appeal Fred has to the voters. These ridiculously early campaigns may well prove to count for little to nothing for those who started campaigning on November 6, 2006.

In fact, I hope it proves to be just that.


46 posted on 12/17/2007 5:32:37 PM PST by prairiebreeze (I am unapologetically celebrating CHRISTMAS!!)
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To: prairiebreeze

There he goes again.


47 posted on 12/17/2007 5:58:35 PM PST by topfile
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Politicalmom

Thank you for this great news!
I feel much better now.
It certainly makes more sense than Huckabee’s surge.

I think Fred’s bus trip will be a huge success, especially after King’s endorsement today.


48 posted on 12/17/2007 6:18:20 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: dixiechick2000; All

Don’t forget that Minnesota and California Right-to-Life Committees endorsed Fred today, as well!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1940875/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1940860/posts


49 posted on 12/17/2007 8:22:20 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: topfile

Huck does have executive experience as a governor, is an approachable person and a moral man, so I am not surprised people support him. But I don’t know why Fred is any more qualified to be Prez than Michelle Malkin, Rush or Anne Coulter.


50 posted on 12/18/2007 12:04:49 AM PST by Romneyfor President2008
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