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This single action Colt can’t fire itself. (John Schneider)
YouTube ^ | Dec. 5, 2021 | John Schneider

Posted on 12/06/2021 8:23:59 PM PST by Tired of Taxes

John Schneider: "Share this with your friends if they are still apt to believe that a handgun can load and fire itself."

Video at link:

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


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John Schneider demonstrates why Alec Baldwin's story doesn't add up.
1 posted on 12/06/2021 8:23:59 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

I’d like to see a report on the condition of the gun in question.


2 posted on 12/06/2021 8:36:02 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Tired of Taxes
Could an angry producer who's crew walked out on him, has had a rough day, was being micro managed by an underling who dared give him orders essentially telling him how to do his job, have been gripping the pistol so hard that he didn't even realize that he was holding the trigger back? Perhaps so .. Viva Frei thinks maybe so too ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_fAmAyxfU

3 posted on 12/06/2021 8:37:22 PM PST by gtwizard (Income Inequality is called INCENTIVE!)
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To: gundog

Wouldn’t you rather see the report of the condition of the person (Baldwin) who had his finger on the trigger while drawing back the hammer?


4 posted on 12/06/2021 8:52:24 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: gtwizard

Many single action reolvers have a very light trigger pull where just resting your finger on the trigger can make it fire. Even if this were the case the hammer must be manually cocked back and that requires an intentional act.


5 posted on 12/06/2021 8:57:31 PM PST by LukeL
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To: Tired of Taxes

It looks like Baldwin pulled back the hammer and then released it. I do not believe he would have had to pull the trigger to fire the gun.


6 posted on 12/06/2021 9:00:09 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: gtwizard

I just watched the video you linked. Interesting... Sounds possible.


7 posted on 12/06/2021 9:00:10 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Deaf Smith
Not really. How the live ammo got into the pistol is the most intriguing aspect of the case, to me.

It’s been established how a mechanically sound Colt SAA functions. Let’s find out if the gun in question is mechanically sound.

8 posted on 12/06/2021 9:00:34 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Tired of Taxes

It depends on the single action in question. The term, “going off half cocked” isn’t fiction. That’s why people carried a six gun with an empty chamber.


9 posted on 12/06/2021 9:02:19 PM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: gundog
TYVM. I own a Pietta 1851 Navy and two SAA cowboy shooters. These guns don't just suddenly raise an eyebrow and say to themselves, "I think I'll shoot that person in the gut this morning." The act of shooting someone, accidental or not, isn't a matter of random chance or poor training. It's deliberate, regardless. Like an old federal firearms instructor once taught me, if that weapon is out of it's leather, it's because you're drawing down on someone because you or a bystander are in imminent danger, your finger had better be on the trigger, and it better be there because you plan to pull it. You otherwise tuck in your shirt and pull up your zipper, stud.
10 posted on 12/06/2021 9:08:21 PM PST by Viking2002 (Whatever.)
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To: gtwizard
Maybe.

But... that shot was very accurate.

Despite what you see in the movies one shot, one kill is not that easy.

11 posted on 12/06/2021 9:09:28 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (add a dab of lavender in milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing with it)
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To: DennisR

At 2:20, Schneider tries to cock the hammer and loses it. The half-cocked sear catches it. I’m wondering if the hammer on the actual weapon is worn. Hollywood dummies could have been abusing it. And I wouldn’t trust this film’s “armorer” to catch it.


12 posted on 12/06/2021 9:09:37 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: DennisR
He absolutely had to pull the trigger to release the hammer. Here is a video with a good description of how a SAA works.

How Alec Baldwin's single action army revolver fired 6:25

But this comment left below that video is the best description of exactly how the trigger mechanism works with the hammer and what can and cannot happen.

Jim Ivy

I have been using single-action Colt recovers for over 60 years and have never had one fire unless I pulled the trigger. The hammer on this style of revolver has 4 positions: 1) un-cocked, 2) quarter- cock, 3) half-cock, and 4) full-cock.

In the un-cocked position, the firing pin is fully forward. If the revolver is dropped and if there is a cartridge beneath the firing pin, and if the revolver lands on the hammer, then the revolver could fire. That is why those who are familiar with this revolver will load only five cartridges. You always leave an empty chamber beneath the firing pin.

Quarter-cock is the "Safe" position. In quarter-cock the trigger sear engages a notch in the hammer. This notch has a hook that captures the trigger and prevents it from being pulled. The trigger cannot be pulled and the revolver cannot fire from the quarter-cock position. Again, if the revolver is dropped and lands upon the hammer, there is a slight possibility that the steel hook that captures the trigger could break and allow a cartridge beneath the chamber to fire. Another reason why intelligent people do not load a full six cartridges in this type of revolver.

Half-cock position, like quarter-cock, captures the trigger so that it cannot be pulled. Half-cock position allows the cylinder to be rotated for loading and unloading the weapon. In half-cock position the cylinder does not line up with the hammer. In half-cock position even dropping the revolver on it's hammer will not fire a cartridge because the quarter-cock notch would capture the hammer before the firing pin could hit the cartridge.

In full-cock position the trigger can be pulled and as long as the trigger is held back, the hammer will strike the cartridge and fire the revolver. However, the trigger must be pulled and held throughout the full length of the hammer fall. Otherwise, the half-cock notch will capture the hammer and not allow the revolver to fire. If the half-cock notch were to fail, then the quarter-cock notch would capture the hammer and the revolver would not fire.

If the hammer is released while it is between positions, and if the trigger has not been pulled, then the hammer will be captured before it can strike a cartridge and fire.

In short, there are only two possibilities: 1) The revolver mechanism had been altered to bypass the safety features that were built into the design and that have been working reliably for well over 150 years, or 2) Baldwin is not speaking the truth. Since the New Mexico authorities have the weapon, it should take no more than a few minutes to verify whether or not the revolver was in good working condition. If it is in good working condition, then Baldwin is for one reason or another not speaking the truth.

A few nights ago I tried every variation possible with my SAA and came to the same conclusions this guy did but he describes it better than I could.

13 posted on 12/06/2021 9:10:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Ray Epps didn't kill himself.)
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14 posted on 12/06/2021 9:15:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Poser

Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza confirmed that the firearm was an Italian-made Pietta Long Colt revolver. Most likely, an Uberti made replica.

It was an 1880 type Colt revolver so it would have had the first position hammer hold-off position (as in a carry situation). It also could not allow the hammer firing pin to strike unless the trigger was also pulled.


15 posted on 12/06/2021 9:16:32 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Viking2002
Movies ain’t real life. No way in hell every actor ever handed a weapon can be expected to know the complete manual of arms for whatever may be handed them, much less its serviceability. Baldwin was handed a gun that was supposed to look loaded. No way looking into the front of the cylinder matters, as Schneider seems to suggest. I don’t think this was a deliberate act. I’d like to know how many live rounds were in the cylinder. I’ve heard accounts that the cylinder was spun after it was loaded. If that’s true, anyone loading a single live round would have no idea where it was in the order of rotation. I recall hearing that there had been other negligent discharges on the set, and that that was a factor in the union peeps walking off.

As I said earlier, we know how a mechanically sound SAA works. Now we have to find out if that’s what we’re dealing with.

16 posted on 12/06/2021 9:28:04 PM PST by gundog ( It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: gundog
I agree in principle - there are myriad issues to look at here. Insofar as 'negligent discharges' - there are no negligent discharges, IMO. You either know what you're doing, or you don't. And Baldwin has been an egotistical, insufferable leftist ass his entire life. (I still gotta give him props for being a decent actor, though.) It doesn't matter to me if he wrote, financed, and directed the whole movie, and it won't bring that girl back, but maybe he'll learn a little humility and contrition while he learns to live with the blood on his hands.

Nah. He's a card-carrying azzhole. Always was, always will be.

17 posted on 12/06/2021 9:46:52 PM PST by Viking2002 (Whatever.)
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To: Gaffer

If it was a Pietta, how can it be an Uberti?
Aren’t those two competitors that make similar repro guns?


18 posted on 12/06/2021 9:49:58 PM PST by buwaya
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To: gundog

“How the live ammo got into the pistol is the most intriguing aspect of the case, to me.”

Ditto


19 posted on 12/06/2021 9:50:32 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Tired of Taxes

It doesn’t matter much if it does add up or not. If there hadn’t been a live round in the thing nothing that fool did would have mattered.


20 posted on 12/06/2021 9:52:24 PM PST by buwaya
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