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Why do high-level officials use the term pandemic of the unvaccinated, suggesting that people who have been vaccinated are not relevant in the epidemiology of COVID-19? Isn’t this view too simple? [and how the ignored elephant of obesity fits in]
Quora.com ^ | Mon, 11/29/21 | Daniel Hamilton

Posted on 11/29/2021 9:18:30 AM PST by daniel1212

Yes it is too simple, since to begin with there is a significant discrepancy between the numbers of “breakthrough” cases reported by the CDC and that of other nations with high rates of vaccination (early adopters).[1] [2][3] [4]

While CDC Director Rochelle Walensky earlier said that “vaccinated people do not carry the virus” later the CDC published its findings on a huge cluster of COVID cases in Provincetown, Massachusetts, concluding that 74 percent of cases had occurred in vaccinated people, and soon headlines reported that the CDC said “Vaccinated People With Breakthrough Infections Can Spread the Delta Variant. But while vaccination is shown to reduce infection and transmission, [5] additional studies find that it increasingly loses ts efficacy,[6] [7] even to the point of having none after 9 months.[8]

Also, early on in the pandemic CDC was conflating viral and antibody tests, combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus,[9] and its criteria for classifying “presumed” COVID-19 cases is very broad (even based upon a cough or shortness of breath and living in an area with a sustained community transmission,[10] yet its May 1 decision was to only track breakthrough infections that lead to hospitalization or death.[11] (and for Covid hospitalizations, hospitals do get more federal funds for[12])

The CDC later changed this policy, yet as of 11–29 its page on Age-Adjusted Rates of COVID-19-Associated Hospitalizations by Vaccine Status in Adults Aged ≥18 Years only reflects hospitalizations through September 25, 2021, and its current non age-specific page Rates of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status on just cases alone covering April 4 to October 2 in 2021 as of 11–29 shows decreasing cases among the “nonvaxxed” (yet still being the vast majority of cases) and a substantial increase in cases among the vaccinated.

Meanwhile, as NBC reported on Oct 20, 2020:

Current estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) involve what is known as the infection fatality ratio (IFR) of COVID-19 in the United States. The IFR is the number of people who die “of the disease among all infected individuals (symptomatic and asymptomatic),” according to the CDC…

Here are those [best] estimates, stated as the percentage of all those infected (symptomatic and asymptomatic) who are surviving:

0-19 Years 99.997%

20-49 Years 99.98%

50-69 Years 99.5%

70+ 94.6%

*80+ not included Data Source: CDC

And 86.2% nationwide of seniors (65+) are fully vaxxed as are 71% of all 18+ persons. (NPR: How is the COVID-19 vaccination campaign going in your state?) and as of November 17, 2021, and using rounded figures, out of 788,000 Covid-assigned deaths, all except 18,000 have been among those 40 years old and higher. And CDC data shows that children under 12 years old made up less than 1 percent of all Covid deaths since January 2020, despite the headlines of an increase.[13] Thus all but 14% of those in the US who are in much of any real danger of death due to Covid have been fully vaccinated.

Meanwhile, the elephant in the room being ignored is that the primary reason for the vast number of Covid-assigned deaths is that of the overall poor condition of Americans. “For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death. (Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics) Primarily those related to obesity, a preventable condition, and 42% of American are obese and 73% are overweight.[14]

Research shows that people with obesity were more than twice as likely to end up in the hospital and nearly 50 percent more likely to die of COVID-19, with more than 77 percent of 17,000 hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the United States having excess weight or obesity.[15][16] Also, one study found that 88 percent of deaths due to COVID-19 in the first year of the pandemic were in countries where more than half of the population is classified as overweight. In countries where more than 50% of the population was overweight, the COVID-19 death rate was more than 100 per 100,000.[17] And, “two new, large studies from England and Mexico further detail obesity as being a risk factor for poor COVID-19–related outcomes, including death, with a UK study showing the highest hospitalization rate being among young adults.[18] [19]

Moreover, some 42% of U.S. adults reported packing on undesired weight since the start of the pandemic. [20] Which is just one of the negative effects of a "stay sheltered" shutdown response, even of parks, forests and seashores early on, while there is nothing close to a response proportional to that of Covid in incentivizing (if not actually requiring) Americans to be fit and health, as able.

And obesity is estimated to be responsible for 4.7 million deaths worldwide and 18% of all deaths in the USA (the latter stat was from way back in 2013).

Consistent with this is the graphic below from before the Covid pandemic:

Relevant maps of general correlation if not establishing causation.

More research that at least provides some balance to the debate is here.

Footnotes

[1] Covid cases are surging in Europe. America is in denial about what lies in store for it | Eric Topol
[2] Breakthrough COVID cases are rising — and better rapid tests can help
[3] Israel observes record high in Covid-19 cases despite mass vaccination
[4] Rising Covid-19 Breakthrough Cases Hinder Efforts to Control Virus
[5] How Easily Can Vaccinated People Spread COVID?
[6] Effectiveness of 2 of 3 COVID-19 Vaccines Used in US Drops Below 50 Percent After 6 Months: Study
[7] Covid: Why are UK cases so high?
[8] Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccination Against Risk of Symptomatic Infection, Hospitalization, and Death Up to 9 Months: A Swedish Total-Population Cohort Study
[9] ‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’
[10] Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
[11] The CDC Only Tracks a Fraction of Breakthrough COVID-19 Infections, Even as Cases Surge
[12] Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators
[13] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/data-shows-more-children-are-getting-sick-dying-covid-n1281616
[14] CDC - Newsroom Archive
[15] Individuals with obesity and COVID‐19: A global perspective on the epidemiology and biological relationships
[16] Descriptive epidemiology of 16,780 hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the United States
[17] COVID Death Rates 10 Times Higher in Countries Where Most Are Overweight: Report
[18] Associations between body-mass index and COVID-19 severity in 6·9 million people in England: a prospective, community-based, cohort study
[19] Obesity is a strong risk factor for short-term mortality and adverse outcomes in Mexican patients with COVID-19: a national observational study | Epidemiology & Infection | Cambridge Core
[20] Americans Got Way Fatter During Pandemic, Poll Finds


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Conspiracy; Education; Food; Gardening; Health/Medicine; Outdoors; Religion; Science; Society; Sports; Travel
KEYWORDS: anthonyfauci; cdc; covid19; coviddeaths; covidstooges; danielhamilton; experts; fatshaming; fauci; forbiddenfat; moron; obamacare; obesity; vaccination; vaccinemandates
Footnote links work at page source . Much more research here , by the grace of God. Written for a broad range of readers, using mostly main stream and original sources, thus avoiding objections to Covid response examination based upon use of conservative sites.
1 posted on 11/29/2021 9:18:30 AM PST by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212

The “high level officials” have thrown all science and all logic into the garbage.

You can’t take anything they say seriously.


2 posted on 11/29/2021 9:21:19 AM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: daniel1212

If folks aren’t scared of anything, how can you tell them what to do?

There’s only one other way and that is what they’re doing in Australia and, soon, New Zealand. Not sure how that would work out in the USA.


3 posted on 11/29/2021 9:29:20 AM PST by qaz123
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To: daniel1212

I’m really surprised to see the map that shows high rates of obesity in much of the Arab world; with all of their fasting, I would expect obesity to be rare.


4 posted on 11/29/2021 9:32:17 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
" I’m really surprised to see the map that shows high rates of obesity in much of the Arab world; with all of their fasting, I would expect obesity to be rare. "

"Their fasting" as meaning Ramadan is from sunrise to sundown, which is followed by family/communal feasting, which, while building community (and excels that of Western culture in general and is attractive to damned converts - but if you leave Islam then you see the negative power of it ), is a bad health practice.

5 posted on 11/29/2021 10:00:57 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

While exercising this morning, I asked my wife “Why do they never mention that the most prevalent co-morbidity is found hanging over a belt?”


6 posted on 11/29/2021 11:08:45 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (I use an euphemism for "Let's Go Brandon!". It's F*** Joe Biden! )
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To: Aevery_Freeman

That would be “fat shaming” so we can’t do that….. sigh. At the beginning of the pandemic, as soon as they knew that obesity was a major comorbidity for a bad outcome, the government should’ve been encouraging people to lose weight and go outside in the fresh air and walk or do some other exercise. Instead they said to stay inside and order your food to be delivered to you.


7 posted on 11/29/2021 11:16:11 AM PST by Freee-dame
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To: daniel1212

“...the elephant of obesity....”


Gotta love that.


8 posted on 11/29/2021 12:13:15 PM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Aevery_Freeman
I don't see too many fat people in old photographs. Something changed.


9 posted on 11/29/2021 12:37:37 PM PST by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: Sirius Lee

I remember in grade school in the 50s, our classes were 40 to 45 kids and maybe one or two chubby. Can’t remember any that would be the current level of obesity you see so often.

It’s odd that now millions of children who “go to bed hungry every night” have BMI >> 30.


10 posted on 11/29/2021 12:40:11 PM PST by nascarnation (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: Freee-dame; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; BDParrish; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; ...
"That would be “fat shaming” so we can’t do that….. sigh. At the beginning of the pandemic, as soon as they knew that obesity was a major comorbidity for a bad outcome, the government should’ve been encouraging people to lose weight and go outside in the fresh air and walk or do some other exercise. Instead they said to stay inside and order your food to be delivered to you."

Exactly. However, knowingly or not, this and other responses all works together to foster a coming autocratic government which further pervert all that God has ordained. (Hope you do not mind as I got carried away here. Not fully proof-read though.)

1. Want to increase government in that interest? Of supreme importance is that educational and media supplant the church and the home as the trusted institutions of wise leadership and moral conscience. Thus make use of prosperity and technology to seduce the nation into making material acquisition, entertainment, travel etc. and their main pursuit. And by using the need for education in order to create secular seminaries, beginning at the highest levels, infected with liberal elite progressives.

2. And overall militate against the traditional husband-led family unit as the most basic form of government, fostering feminism, which the Pill greatly helps, and overall work on dilution of the traditional Judaeo-Christian moral ethos, as well as increasingly attacking it as the cause of evil, while calling liberal ethos good. Consistent with this, portray the past as only evil caused by those who must be deemed to be haters. In time traditional patriot parades will be replaced by protests by liberal elites.

3. Also foster the decay of the family and society thru inculcating the virus called the "Victim-Entitlement Mentality," (VEM) that the "proletariat class" are wholesale Victims of the "bourgeoisie class," thus creating envy, and racial strife, and thus the premise that a government ensuring Justice for them is needed in order to create a classless society, whose leader(s) are heralded as saviors.

4. And thereby promote welfare as a right, even for habitual immorality (like fornication and illegitimate children) or irresponsible choices, and thus more welfare and crime (justified as being victims and or as a result of frustration due to being told that are victims always in need of help). And which calls for more government to control.

5. In addition, under the premise of combating discrimination, develop polices that officially sanction and even require showing preference based on skin color over character and ability. As well as to those who effectively salute the flag of Sodom so to speak, while demonizing all who will not affirm this most basic perversion of what God ordained, and all who represent the old order of traditional morality, imputing guilt to them on the basis of skin color and their ancestors.

6. Furthermore, as opportunities arise or are created, impose long-term restrictions on freedom of association and movement (exceptions sometimes being made for elite rulers who are creating a classless society), thereby (when such are excessive in scope and or length) flushing out even reasonable rebels against a future autocratic liberal government. All the while bringing the populace into increasing acceptance of long-term restrictions and of dependence upon debt-ridden government largess, at tax payer expense (as is the ever increasing salary of the benevolent elite saviors). All in the interest of the Public Good, yet which actions in the long term will be to their hurt but to the further empowerment of the liberal saviors.

7. Foster and make use of inflation by blaming the commercial and consumer sector for it, while increasingly hindering the same while claiming to help both, thus inducing cries for more government to take such over.

8. As supplies diminish and costs rise, and the populace looks even more to the government, make use of the increasingly problematic issue of the debt-ridden government (not the millionaire leaders) inability to continue to supply largess by imposing restrictions on access to goods and services, and even place sanctions on states which oppose the brave new world the great leaders are providing, charging them with being too blind to see it.

As needed, deal with the problem of traditional law enforcement entities who may oppose the new world order - even as the populace calls for more law enforcement in response to the violence of mostly peaceful antifascist fascist anarchists - by attacking and defunding the former, replacing them with more compliant subjects.

As compliance by most all peoples expands and power and means enable, require all to signify submission to the supreme leadership of the brave new world, and ultimate incarnation of the devil, by being branded with his symbol, as a member of the party of the damned.

Enjoy your conquest which was allowed to manifest who was really on the Lord's side, and prepare for judgment by the Lord of all.

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:10-18)

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. (Revelation 19:11-21)

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:9-15)

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. (Revelation 21:1-5)

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:6-8)

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. (Revelation 22:16-17)

11 posted on 11/29/2021 3:36:32 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Ancesthntr
"“...the elephant of obesity....” Gotta love that."

You mean "how the elephant of obesity fits in," yes, "the elephant in the room being ignored." As long as he is vaxxed and masked then he is no different from Mr. Fauci.

12 posted on 11/29/2021 3:40:27 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: Sirius Lee

High Fructose Corn Syrup.


13 posted on 11/30/2021 5:12:30 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (I use an euphemism for "Let's Go Brandon!". It's F*** Joe Biden! )
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