Posted on 05/28/2020 2:00:56 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
At no point did the pilots say they had a problem with their landing gear or any other type of emergency, according to the radio calls.
A deadly plane crash in Pakistan is prompting questions about how the crew could touch down without landing gear when their sophisticated jetliner was bristling with equipment to prevent pilots from doing just that
"It is unbelievable to me that an airline crew on a jet like an Airbus, with all the warning systems, would attempt to land the plane without the gear extended," said John Cox, an aviation safety consultant who formerly flew the A320 as a U.S. airline pilot.
It's not yet clear why the two jet engines quit after functioning well enough for about two minutes to lift them about 3,000 feet (915 meters) above the runway. Engines have become so reliable that losing two at the same time is almost always because of some common factor, such as damage from hitting a runway or a problem with the fuel supply.
"We are comfortable. We can make it," the pilot can be heard telling the controller, according to a recording of Karachi's air-traffic radio posted on the LiveATC.net website.
"Sir, we have lost engines," a pilot said. Then, 30 seconds later, he said, "Mayday. Mayday. Mayday."
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In Flight Fight
Kind of feels like that???
More at the link in #22
BFL
Bravo - Foxtrot - Lima ???
Can you give me a clue?
a youtube.com blog that goes by the name Blancolirio...
Yes noted with link in #22.
what software do you use for flight sim? I love that, and I want to get something since I am semi-retired now.
I saw this bizarre story on TheFlightChannel on YouTube. The guy who runs it uses Microsoft Flight Simulator to re-create accidents and incidents from around the world. He got the story about the PIA crash out in 4 days.
After watching it, I cannot imagine what the ever-loving hell the pilots were thinking. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Yes. That certainly looks like wheels down. It also looks a bit steep.
A simulation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUOn6FrDPwg
Bump for later.
Just marking so I can come back when I have time to read.
The gear was down prior to impact.
Yeah, I watch that channel as well, saw his video on it yesterday.
Bump for later.
Thank you.
I’ve always used MS flight simulator all versions since the very first one for the commodore 64.
I currently use the latest version which is MSFS=X for the PC,
No one in the aviation world uses KPH as a measurement of speed.
It's either MPH or Knots.
KPH is being used here to sensationalize the headline. Naturally.
A simulation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUOn6FrDPwg
That was interesting.
Yup - "Ludicrous speed"
Even the SR-71 doesn’t land that fast, nor the space shuttle.
You only need to land that fast at Macho Grande airport.
“they missed the gear up buzzer alarm.”
And apparently missed it on the check list.
Additionally, there are “tips” like green and red dot markers on the PFD Airspeed Scale that are there to warn the pilots on speed problems. He never should have tried to land the aircraft, it was way too hot.
A good article on this is here:
https://safetyfirst.airbus.com/control-your-speed-during-descent-approach-and-landing/
rwood
If they were really going 327kph and they only had one shot at the runway due to dead stick landing, (no engines) then I guess that could explain why they didn’t deploy landing gear. To try to make a skid landing I guess. Still, I wouldn’t even think of trying to simulate that landing at 327 knots.
This defies logic. They came in high hot and heavy, used up almost half the runway before impacting with no landing gear down, skidded down the runway and then became airborne again before the turbines, failed due to damage. Ever bell and whistle should have been going off in the cockpit on the original approach. Hell, even my simple glider will not let me land without the gear down. If I deploy air brakes without the gear down I get a buzzer sounding off.
I am confused.
ps
When I worked in the Middle East Oil Fields but not in Pakistan my friends that did always said, do not fly PIA. That was back in the late 70s.
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