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Black Holes As We Know Them May Not Exist
Live Science ^ | Mara Johnson-Groh

Posted on 10/03/2019 7:36:59 AM PDT by BenLurkin

But now a pair of scientists suggests that some black holes may not be black holes at all. Instead, they may be weird objects chock-full of dark energy — the mysterious force thought to be pushing at the bounds of the universe, causing it to expand at an ever-increasing rate.

Croker and Joel Weiner, a professor emeritus in mathematics at the same university, were looking at Friedmann's equations, which are simplified from Einstein's theory of general relativity.... Physicists use Friedmann's equations to describe the expansion of the universe, in part because the math is simpler than in Einstein's body of equations describing relativity. The team found that, in order to properly write down Friedmann's equations, ultradense and isolated regions of space, like neutron stars and black holes, had to be treated in the same mathematical way as all other areas. Previously, cosmologists believed it was reasonable to ignore the internal details of ultradense and isolated regions, such as the inside of a black hole.

The math from Friedmann's equations showed that over time, these ultradense objects gain weight simply due to the expansion of the universe, even when there is no nearby material for them to consume. Just as light traveling through expanding space loses energy — an effect known as redshift — matter also loses weight as space expands. The effect is usually so tiny it cannot be seen. But in ultradense material with very strong pressures inside, known as relativistic material, the effect becomes noticeable. Dark energy is very relativistic, and its pressure acts oppositely to normal matter and light — so objects made of it (like these hypothetical GEODEs) gain weight over time.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; science; stringtheory
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1 posted on 10/03/2019 7:36:59 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: SunkenCiv

2 posted on 10/03/2019 7:37:39 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Kind’a like ghosts, eh?


3 posted on 10/03/2019 7:38:28 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: BenLurkin

From a quick glance at the thread title, I thought it was about Sharpton & Jackson.


4 posted on 10/03/2019 7:40:17 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: BenLurkin

Good idea NOT to accept much of anything anyway!
GyG@PlanetWTF?
SemperTRUMP.45!
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5 posted on 10/03/2019 7:43:18 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: BenLurkin

"It's OK, Joe - they weren't talking about you"


6 posted on 10/03/2019 7:45:37 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Hillary Clinton: Just like Joe with only half the dementia.)
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To: BenLurkin

That’s racist!!!!!!!!


7 posted on 10/03/2019 7:47:39 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: BenLurkin

Black holes nonsense. Mythematics at its worst.

Gone are the days when math was used to describe the universe.

We live in an age when the universe must be remade to conform to mythematical constructs.


8 posted on 10/03/2019 7:48:26 AM PDT by BlueYonder
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“Black holes nonsense. Mythematics at its worst.”
Failed math, eh?
Current physics laws do indeed break down past the S-radius. However, when one quantizes spaces, things get a bit different - but still not understandable.


9 posted on 10/03/2019 7:52:42 AM PDT by Da Coyote (eh)
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To: BenLurkin

A wise friend once pointed out the arrogance of the science community.

Forever it has been constantly coming across new discoveries that completely disprove previous beliefs and “incontrovertible truth”. It does so every year - this is just another example.

If the science community was as wise as it is intelligent, it would hold most views lightly in view of its own history of constantly shifting understandings, and be humble in its declarations.

But no, it holds all views dogmatically.

Not unlike the Catholic Church of the middle ages.

So the Catholic Church and the scientific community have swapped places: the Church is not so dogmatic on many things, and at times flexible, willing to change.

But science is dogmatic and certain that all of its positions.

Interesting, no?


10 posted on 10/03/2019 8:00:28 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: BenLurkin
They're African American holes, thank you very much.
11 posted on 10/03/2019 8:02:38 AM PDT by Yo-Yo ( is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: newfreep
From a quick glance at the thread title, I thought it was about Sharpton & Jackson.

Nah. Those two would be black a-holes. Close but no cigar.

12 posted on 10/03/2019 8:08:17 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Elitist Liberals have no idea the hunger and strength of the beast they have uncaged.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

That was my point....


13 posted on 10/03/2019 8:11:09 AM PDT by newfreep ("INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - DAVID HOROWITZ)
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To: BenLurkin

OR, Instead, they may be weird objects chock-full of dark chocolate!......................


14 posted on 10/03/2019 8:13:04 AM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain...................)
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To: JBW1949

Croker and Weiner talking about Black Holes...............


15 posted on 10/03/2019 8:14:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain...................)
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To: BenLurkin

So, that’s why I’m getting fatter...............


16 posted on 10/03/2019 8:16:51 AM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain...................)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I’ll be sure and tell my doctor next appointment that I’m not getting fatter, it’s the expansion of the Universe that makes me gain weight.................


17 posted on 10/03/2019 8:18:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain...................)
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To: Red Badger

LOL...


18 posted on 10/03/2019 8:19:05 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: BlueYonder

“Gone are the days when math was used to describe the universe.”

Einstein and a few others broke that mold over a hundred years ago.


19 posted on 10/03/2019 8:20:02 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: BenLurkin

chock-full of dark energy
makes for heavenly coffee,
coffee that Mark Zuckerberg’s money can’t buy...


20 posted on 10/03/2019 8:30:11 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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