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Physicists figure out how to retrieve information from a black hole
sciencemag.org ^ | 23 December 2015 3:15 pm | By Adrian Cho

Posted on 12/23/2015 1:17:47 PM PST by Red Badger

Black holes earn their name because their gravity is so strong not even light can escape from them. Oddly, though, physicists have come up with a bit of theoretical sleight of hand to retrieve a speck of information that's been dropped into a black hole. The calculation touches on one of the biggest mysteries in physics: how all of the information trapped in a black hole leaks out as the black hole "evaporates." Many theorists think that must happen, but they don't know how.

Unfortunately for them, the new scheme may do more to underscore the difficulty of the larger "black hole information problem" than to solve it. "Maybe others will be able to go further with this, but it's not obvious to me that it will help," says Don Page, a theorist at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, who was not involved in the work.

You can shred your tax returns, but you shouldn't be able to destroy information by tossing it into a black hole. That's because, even though quantum mechanics deals in probabilities—such as the likelihood of an electron being in one location or another—the quantum waves that give those probabilities must still evolve predictably, so that if you know a wave's shape at one moment you can predict it exactly at any future time. Without such "unitarity" quantum theory would produce nonsensical results such as probabilities that don't add up to 100%.

But suppose you toss some quantum particles into a black hole. At first blush, the particles and the information they encode is lost. That's a problem, as now part of the quantum state describing the combined black hole-particles system has been obliterated, making it impossible to predict its exact evolution and violating unitarity.

Physicists think they have a way out. In 1974, British theorist Stephen Hawking argued that black holes can radiate particles and energy. Thanks to quantum uncertainty, empty space roils with pairs of particles flitting in and out of existence. Hawking realized that if a pair of particles from the vacuum popped into existence straddling the black hole's boundary then one particle could fly into space, while the other would fall into the black hole. Carrying away energy from the black hole, the exiting Hawking radiation should cause a black hole to slowly evaporate. Some theorists suspect information reemerges from the black hole encoded in the radiation—although how remains unclear as the radiation is supposedly random.

Now, Aidan Chatwin-Davies, Adam Jermyn, and Sean Carroll of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena have found an explicit way to retrieve information from one quantum particle lost in a black hole, using Hawking radiation and the weird concept of quantum teleportation.

Quantum teleportation enables two partners, Alice and Bob, to transfer the delicate quantum state of one particle such as an electron to another. In quantum theory, an electron can spin one way (up), the other way (down), or literally both ways at once. In fact, its state can be described by a point on a globe in which north pole signifies up and the south pole signifies down. Lines of latitude denote different mixtures of up and down, and lines of longitude denote the "phase," or how the up and down parts mesh. However, if Alice tries to measure that state, it will "collapse" one way or the other, up or down, squashing information such as the phase. So she can't measure the state and send the information to Bob, but must transfer it intact.

To do that Alice and Bob can share an additional pair of electrons connected by a special quantum link called entanglement. The state of either particle in the entangled pair is uncertain—it simultaneously points everywhere on the globe—but the states are correlated so that if Alice measures her particle from the pair and finds it spinning, say, up, she'll know instantly that Bob's electron is spinning down. So Alice has two electrons—the one whose state she wants to teleport and her half of the entangled pair. Bob has just the one from the entangled pair.

To perform the teleportation, Alice takes advantage of one more strange property of quantum mechanics: that measurement not only reveals something about a system, it also changes its state. So Alice takes her two unentangled electrons and performs a measurement that "projects" them into an entangled state. That measurement breaks the entanglement between the pair of electrons that she and Bob share. But at the same time, it forces Bob's electron into the state that her to-be-teleported electron was in. It's as if, with the right measurement, Alice squeezes the quantum information from one side of the system to the other.

Chatwin-Davies and colleagues realized that they could teleport the information about the state of an electron out of a black hole, too. Suppose that Alice is floating outside the black hole with her electron. She captures one photon from a pair born from Hawking radiation. Much like an electron, the photon can spin in either of two directions, and it will be entangled with its partner photon that has fallen into the black hole. Next, Alice measures the total angular momentum, or spin, of the black hole—both its magnitude and, roughly speaking, how much it lines up with a particular axis. With those two bits of information in hand, she then tosses in her electron, losing it forever.

But Alice can still recover the information about the state of that electron, the team reports in a paper in press at Physical Review Letters. All she has to do is once again measure the spin and orientation of the black hole. Those measurements then entangle the black hole and the in-falling photon. They also teleport the state of the electron to the photon that Alice captured. Thus, the information from the lost electron is dragged back into the observable universe.

Chatwin-Davies stresses that the scheme is not a plan for a practical experiment. After all, it would require Alice to almost instantly measure the spin of a black hole as massive as the sun to within a single atom's spin. "We like to joke around that Alice is the most advanced scientist in the universe," he says.

The scheme also has major limitations. In particular, as the authors note, it works for one quantum particle, but not for two or more. That's because the recipe exploits the fact that the black hole conserves angular momentum, so that its final spin is equal to its initial spin plus that of the electron. That trick enables Alice to get out exactly two bits of information—the total spin and its projection along one axis—and that's just enough information to specify the latitude and longitude of quantum state of one particle. But it's not nearly enough to recapture all the information trapped in a black hole, which typically forms when a star collapses upon itself.

To really tackle the black hole information problem, theorists would also have to account for the complex states of the black hole's interior, says Stefan Leichenauer, a theorist at the University of California, Berkeley. "Unfortunately, all of the big questions we have about black holes are precisely about these internal workings," he says. "So, this protocol, though interesting in its own right, will probably not teach us much about the black hole information problem in general."

However, delving into the interior of black holes would require a quantum mechanical theory of gravity. Of course, developing such a theory is perhaps the grandest goal in all of theoretical physics, one that has eluded physicists for decades.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Education; History; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; blackhole; blackholes; informationparadox; physics; space; stringtheory
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1 posted on 12/23/2015 1:17:47 PM PST by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

Black Hole Ping!.....................


2 posted on 12/23/2015 1:18:16 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger

It would be better not to lose your information down a black hole in the first place.


3 posted on 12/23/2015 1:20:50 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

Just fish is off the bottom.


4 posted on 12/23/2015 1:21:31 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Red Badger
Say WHAT you be retrieving??


5 posted on 12/23/2015 1:22:24 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Red Badger

Not. Going. There.


6 posted on 12/23/2015 1:22:28 PM PST by twister881
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To: DannyTN

Like Hillary’s emails?......................


7 posted on 12/23/2015 1:24:31 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger

Bend over, Zero. This won't hurt a bit.

8 posted on 12/23/2015 1:24:42 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: twister881

Awww, c’mon! It’s Christmas!.....................


9 posted on 12/23/2015 1:25:09 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: bmwcyle

wha?................


10 posted on 12/23/2015 1:25:28 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: Red Badger

It should be much easier now that black holes no longer exist.


11 posted on 12/23/2015 1:26:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("We are not a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of citizens." -- Mark Levin)
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To: Red Badger

Transition the black hole into a quasar?


12 posted on 12/23/2015 1:28:33 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Red Badger

easy peasy...watch the movie Interstellar!!!!


13 posted on 12/23/2015 1:29:04 PM PST by RginTN
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To: Red Badger

Conundrum. If General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are both true then there are no “black holes”.


14 posted on 12/23/2015 1:30:25 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Red Badger

The real black hole is in our white house.


15 posted on 12/23/2015 1:31:46 PM PST by Bullish (Face it, insanity is just not presidential.)
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To: Red Badger

They shouldn’t be allowed to talk about moochelle this way.


16 posted on 12/23/2015 1:31:50 PM PST by dware (Free Survival & Prepper Ebooks: http://www.survivetherockies.com)
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To: Red Badger

Washington warned about ‘entanglement’.. And look where we ended up,, a black hole of a GUbamint.


17 posted on 12/23/2015 1:36:23 PM PST by NormsRevenge (SEMPER FI!! - Monthly Donors Rock!!)
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To: Red Badger

Maybe they’ll find Obama’s passport, immigration and school records?


18 posted on 12/23/2015 1:37:00 PM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: All
Time is running out on investigations of [censored].. this racism will soon be illegal!

Dallas county official: "Black hole" is racist!

19 posted on 12/23/2015 1:38:26 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: shalom aleichem

Maybe they’ll find Obama’s passport, immigration and school records?


And Jimmy Hoffa....


20 posted on 12/23/2015 1:40:15 PM PST by MWestMom (Down, down, down the rabbit hole we go.....)
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