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'If my kids want to go to college, they'll have to pay themselves'
Daily Mail ^ | 28 October 2014 | Erin Clements for MailOnline

Posted on 10/28/2014 5:03:57 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister

A father of eight has sparked controversy by refusing to save money for his children’s college education.

Guerilla Parenting author David T. Fagan told the Washington Post that college is 'a lot of wasted time' and if his children want to attend, they will have to pay for it themselves.

The 37-year-old marketing entrepreneur, whose family lives in Orange County, California, added to MailOnline: 'The focus is too much on a piece of paper and not enough on self-reliance.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: Secret Agent Man
They wouldn't have been able to charge it if people hadn't been willing to pay it.

For one thing, not everybody should go to college. People who go $40,000 in debt for a degree in "communications" would be far better off to just get a job.

It's about time people started to do cost/benefit analysis on higher education.

21 posted on 10/28/2014 5:32:28 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: morphing libertarian

So refusing to pay for a child’s college cancels out the years from 0-18 of food, clothing, shelter, medical care and elementary and secondary education? A child who would turn away his/her parent in their old age, after being cared for as a child, is worse than a pagan.


22 posted on 10/28/2014 5:32:46 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Vermont Lt
I would imagine with eight kids there is not a lot of extra money.

and if there is any, it might be better spent on birth control

23 posted on 10/28/2014 5:32:59 PM PDT by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: SamAdams76
As you have demonstrated, you don't have to sit in a classroom presided over by a liberal perfersser's teaching assistant to get an education.
24 posted on 10/28/2014 5:34:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: CorporateStepsister
I support this, too.

For one thing, it is difficult for any parent to save enough money to pay for ONE child's education. Eight is an impossible task.

Secondly, I'd say it's about time we let our adult children make their own adult decisions about life -- and pay the costs themselves. When there is a societal expectation that parents support their children well into adulthood ... and ObamaCare even mandates that employers must pay medical insurance costs for the grown children of their employees up to the age of 26 ... is it any wonder that so many people never grow up?

25 posted on 10/28/2014 5:34:18 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The ship be sinking.")
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To: txrefugee

paganism happens!

The parent has the right to help or not.

The child has the same right when they are adults.


26 posted on 10/28/2014 5:35:00 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

these org positions are largely personally unaccountable to the citizens.

as are those running these schools.

and then to get more kids in they’ve made so many worthless degrees for anything under the sun. this is a huge problem.


27 posted on 10/28/2014 5:36:47 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: morphing libertarian
Does spending $50,000 on a degree in "communications" sound like a good investment to you?

The support of family members works both ways.

You should definitely keep a ledger to account for every penny so you know when you have paid it back and can be on your way. Families are just a source of funds for your dreams, after all.

28 posted on 10/28/2014 5:36:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: TheRightGuy

The second kid was birth control for us.


29 posted on 10/28/2014 5:37:27 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

what kind of question is that? I never did that and neither did my kids.

You don’t know any thing about me. You started by calling me an idiot and blaming me for the cost of college.

You got the wrong person.

If parents want to do what they want with their money and make declarations refusing to help their kids to teach them a lesson, then do it, but don’t cry when you’re sitting n your own urine in a dayroom in a wheel chair while the attendant is waiting for shift change.


30 posted on 10/28/2014 5:41:51 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: CorporateStepsister

It is certainly his right to be an selfish asshole and not help his children.


31 posted on 10/28/2014 5:44:24 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: morphing libertarian
You said:

I hope the kids have made dad known that they will not support him if he is infirm or destitute in his old age. And don’t knock on the door with suitcase in hand.

You implied that all parents had a moral obligation to provide a college education for their children, and if they didn't that they deserved to be abandoned by their children in their old age.

Is that fair assessment of what you said?

32 posted on 10/28/2014 5:45:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No that’s what you inferred. Is that your apology. Take a hike.


33 posted on 10/28/2014 5:46:20 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian
This is exactly what you said:

I hope the kids have made dad known that they will not support him if he is infirm or destitute in his old age. And don’t knock on the door with suitcase in hand.

I interpreted it perfectly. You're just comfortable with lying about it.

34 posted on 10/28/2014 5:49:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It’s not about what I said. Implications and inferences are not literal. I made no moral judgment or statement about the situation.

First I’m an idiot and now a liar because you don’t know how to read? Whatever, you call me next in a continued personal attack you can talk to yourself.

I told you to hit the dictionary before you start misinterpreting others and blaming your inadequacy on them.


35 posted on 10/28/2014 5:54:58 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Actually, if a parent is not willing to make sacrifices for their children they should not expect a whole lot in return.

I do not mean a parent has to pay for college. But this guy sounds like a jerk. A parent should be willing to give up stuff for their children’s progress.

There are an awful lot of people who are asses to their children who expect them to run to their side when they are old and infirm.

You reap what you sow.


36 posted on 10/28/2014 6:00:30 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: Vermont Lt
He's got eight kids.

How many kids do you have?

37 posted on 10/28/2014 6:03:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: CorporateStepsister

My parents paid for my college and quite frankly I wasted their hard earned money. I am more inclined to tell my kids that they will be responsible to pay for their college. I will have their backs but only in a pinch.


38 posted on 10/28/2014 6:06:07 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: yldstrk

“My parents saved nothing for me or any of us to go to college on and I, frankly, don’t forgive them for that,”

Ford paid for my father’s ME Degree, after he had been an employee for ten years.

His response was “Get a job, and if the company wants you to get a degree, they will PAY FOR IT!” That was a philosophy from a different era.

Instead, I went to the Air Force, then worked sometimes three jobs to get through a private college, and graduated in 1989 with a grand total of $2,500 in student loans.

Going AF first, THEN doing college is probably why I graduated, to begin with. Had I gone to college without it, I likely would have dropped out after a year, I just didn’t have the discipline.


39 posted on 10/28/2014 6:06:24 PM PDT by tcrlaf (They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
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To: tcrlaf

well I went to college and law school both in 5 years, then joined the JAG Corps. I did have loans, but only about 5K worth and they are paid off. I starved through college, working at restaurants and stores, eating popcorn and pasta, but I made it. Am I “grateful” for the experience? No.


40 posted on 10/28/2014 6:09:01 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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