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Does An Ancient Tablet Tell the Real Story of Noah’s Ark?
Wall Street Journal ^ | 03/27/2014 | By JAVIER ESPINOZA

Posted on 03/27/2014 7:58:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

As Darren Aronofsky and Russell Crowe unveil “Noah” in U.S. cinemas this week, British archaeologist Irving Finkel offers a new perspective on the story with his book “The Ark Before Noah: Decoding the Story of the Flood.”

In his book, published in the U.S. by Doubleday, Finkel tells the story of how he managed to get his hands on a cuneiform tablet, which was part of the flood story. As a curator for the British Museum, he relies on members of the public bringing artifacts to him for inspection.

He was on duty one afternoon in 1985 when a man named Douglas Simmonds showed up “with a small collection of stuff. He poured it out on the table and asked me to have a look at it. It contained two or three pieces of cuneiform, lamps, coins, a few seals, a sort of miscellaneous group.”

There was also a virtually complete tablet, which Finkel assumed to be an ancient business letter. It was made of clay and about the size of a smartphone. “It turned out to be a piece of literature, which was obvious to be part of the floods story. It’s an important aspect of Mesopotamian literature and it circulates in more than one composition,” he said.

Think about it this way: Humans passing this story for hundreds of years and at some point in time an anonymous person putting it in writing and then other anonymous authors writing their own version of the story at different points in time.

“It would be something that would be copied and then recopied but the names of the contributors, the poets whose input was there was never recorded. All this literature is anonymous,” Mr. Finkel explains.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: History; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: alreadyposted; ark; coracle; cuneiform; epigraphyandlanguage; flood; godsgravesglyphs; greatflood; history; irvingfinkel; noah; noahsark

1 posted on 03/27/2014 7:58:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure does! It’s CALLED the KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE! See KJV Genesis Chap 5 through 11.


2 posted on 03/27/2014 8:01:00 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet
LOL!
I agree (although one could default to the underlying Greek and Hebrew texts - if they need to). They've discovered ancient tablets from Assyria/Sumeria back in the late 19th Century. Tales of Gilgamesh, Utnapishtim, and the like - that gave a Flood account. Sure, these tablets are older than any known Bible text - but all they confirm - along with the stories from over 100 cultures scattered across the world - is that there was a worldwide flood. If you want an accurate account, read the God-breathed Word.
3 posted on 03/27/2014 8:11:07 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: US Navy Vet

Of course, using the phrase “the real story” implies what leftists believe anyway, that the Bible itself can’t be the “real” story,

because so much of what it says condemns them.


4 posted on 03/27/2014 8:12:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: El Cid

Thank you. I believe that too.


5 posted on 03/27/2014 8:26:47 AM PDT by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: US Navy Vet

Wrong. KJV=King James Version. It relates the version approved by an English king and his advisors who decided which version among the many was the “correct” version.

Christians by definition follow the teachings of Christ but many among us spend an inordinate amount of time arguing about one or another version of the old testament. A little more attention to new testament teachings might serve everyone a bit better.


6 posted on 03/27/2014 8:32:07 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: US Navy Vet

The “GODpad”


7 posted on 03/27/2014 8:32:33 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: RJS1950; US Navy Vet

RE: A little more attention to new testament teachings might serve everyone a bit better.

Jesus Christ AFFIRMS the Historical Truth of Noah as well.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 nFor as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.” (Matthew 24: 37-39)

The author of Hebrews says: “By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, in reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. By this he condemned the world and became an heir of righteousness that comes by faith” (11:7).

The Apostle Peter says that only eight people were saved in the Ark (1 Peter 3:20): Noah and seven others (2 Peter 2:5). Absolutely everyone else was killed in the Flood (Luke 17:27).


8 posted on 03/27/2014 8:40:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: SeekAndFind
Worldwide floods or what happens when two mile high glaciers covering most of the northern hemisphere and some of the southern suddenly decide to melt. -— abt 16,500 BC.
9 posted on 03/27/2014 8:50:01 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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Here’s this topic and the preceding six:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coracle/index


10 posted on 03/27/2014 8:50:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: US Navy Vet
KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE! See KJV Genesis Chap 5 through 11.

That is derivative.

Bereishit is the source.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
11 posted on 03/27/2014 8:50:47 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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12 posted on 03/27/2014 8:51:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/alreadyposted/index)
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To: PIF

So, they had global warming back then?

I wonder if the film portrays how those who got destroyed by the flood CAUSED this disaster....


13 posted on 03/27/2014 8:51:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (question is this)
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To: SeekAndFind

An who was it who chose which writings were acceptable for the new testament from the many writings out there? Why it was a Holy Roman Emperor, and English King, and various denominational patriarchs who made the decision on what was true and what was not.

All of the stories of the flood including those which predate any written biblical narratives affirm that there was some catastrophic flood event. Which one is right? Well, that depends on what your particular belief/denomination is. Those ancient tablets are just one set of many that have been found or are yet to be found and many of the ancient texts tell the story differently. They are just another version, written down by a man.

Your quotes from KJV or any other version again are all touched and retouched by the hand of man over many centuries. The old testament is made up of teachings and related stories passed on and retold with varying degrees of accuracy over centuries; some of which carry some provable historical fact and some which are not.

If you go by what Christ told Peter, he instructed Peter to build his church. Which church was that? It was the Catholic church which makes all of those who strayed from the church that Christ turned over to Peter apostates, heretics, following the preferences of an English king.

Believe whatever version of Christ’s teachings you want, but don’t trash others about their beliefs because they don’t agree with your denominational beliefs or what your pastor says is true.

It’s a movie! Don’t go to see it and move on. There are many more pressing problems than this which are threatening our religious and all the rest of our freedoms which too many do not take seriously enough.


14 posted on 03/27/2014 9:05:42 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SeekAndFind


In my opinion, “Jewish atheist” Dr Irving Finkel created this "FAKE" tablet to make fun of the religion he despises.

From the article The tablet that altered the story of Noah's Ark:
15 posted on 03/27/2014 9:22:09 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

I dunno. He looks like he might have been an eyewitness.


16 posted on 03/27/2014 9:23:31 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SeekAndFind

“Humans passing this story for hundreds of years and at some point in time an anonymous person putting it in writing and then other anonymous authors writing their own version of the story at different points in time.”

In almost every civilization there is a flood story with a boat and a family. Interesting that WSJ seems to say that “this story” may come from one actual event; whereas current culture says the Bible is wrong and that all flood stories are referring to some local event.


17 posted on 03/27/2014 9:33:10 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: Yosemitest

Nothing looks more ridiculous than a 70 year old, long hair hippy.


18 posted on 03/27/2014 9:33:24 AM PDT by aimhigh (John 14:21)
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To: aimhigh
I agree.

Check out Noah's Ark" has been found in Turkey, April 27, 2010.
19 posted on 03/27/2014 9:52:50 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: El Cid
but all they confirm - along with the stories from over 100 cultures scattered across the world - is that there was a worldwide flood.

I'm not sure they confirm a world-wide flood, but they do confirm that every culture that recounts the tale of the flood had a common origin.

Genesis 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.

3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.

4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.

6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

20 posted on 03/27/2014 10:14:08 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: ForYourChildren
In almost every civilization there is a flood story with a boat and a family.

Genesis 11:1-9 explains how all cultures have a story of a flood, a boat and a family.

21 posted on 03/27/2014 10:17:28 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: Yosemitest
"remains apparently being found at Mount Ararat in Turkey"

My Goodness, how wonderful! Can you show me it? A film? A photo? Nothing? Who wrote this drivel?

22 posted on 03/27/2014 10:20:37 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon (center)
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To: aimhigh
Nothing looks more ridiculous than a 70 year old, long hair hippy.

What's your opinon about 70 year old, long hair rednecks? ;^)>>---


23 posted on 03/27/2014 10:21:58 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Government should be afraid of the people)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
Click on the photos in commemnt #19 fior the sources.
The last one has plenty of links.
24 posted on 03/27/2014 10:25:25 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SeekAndFind

“how those who got destroyed by the flood CAUSED this disaster....”

Through excessive use of campfires and slash and burn farming, obviously!

The final crash came when the people we call Neanderthals left en mass in their hydrazine (N2 H4) powered space ships. The heat those ship generated when they lifted off from the glacier tops was tremendous. You should have seen them - awesome!


25 posted on 03/27/2014 10:30:48 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

Might want to cut back on the mushrooms, dude/dudette.


26 posted on 03/27/2014 10:36:06 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
Sure.
No problem. Also, this one:
27 posted on 03/27/2014 10:58:08 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

I don’t care. I do not dispute the story of the Ark, but I strongly dispute that it has been found on Mount Ararat. Pieces retrieved? Film? Photo? The photo I saw in the article could have been anything, anywhere, except that boat-shaped rock formation which I have seen many times before from many angles.


28 posted on 03/27/2014 11:04:22 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon (center)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
I answered your question.
But I am NOT concerned as to whether you believe it or not.
29 posted on 03/27/2014 11:06:32 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

You obviously did not watch what I liked to, because your response did not allow enough time for you to have watched them.


30 posted on 03/27/2014 11:07:42 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
CORRECTION:
31 posted on 03/27/2014 11:08:31 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SeekAndFind

nope, the bible sure does though.


32 posted on 03/27/2014 11:40:08 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: aimhigh

33 posted on 03/27/2014 11:40:44 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
What's your opinon about 70 year old, long hair rednecks?

The beard looks great. The long hair looks ridiculous.

34 posted on 03/27/2014 11:46:17 AM PDT by aimhigh (John 14:21)
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To: US Navy Vet
Sure does! It’s CALLED the KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE! See KJV Genesis Chap 5 through 11.

God dictated the story to King James in Elizabethan English?

35 posted on 03/27/2014 11:48:23 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: aimhigh

A lot of “old hippies” are on blood thinners and don’t like the daily bloodletting of shaving. Many of them are your friendly FReepers.
One of the privileges of being old is the ability to say what you want to say and look like you want.


36 posted on 03/27/2014 12:16:57 PM PDT by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.r)
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To: Yosemitest

That is true. I am currently engaged in the fourth day of a life or death struggle with AT&T and you are scheduled down the to do list. If they keep this up, I may never get to you.


37 posted on 03/27/2014 12:30:50 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon (center)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
I guess you don't believe the Hagopian-Lee to Simmons-Arslan 1989 Photo Near Mt. Ararat Strato-Volcano Summit or the old Armenian, George Hagopian's story on pages 73 through 92 of Secrets of the Lost Races: New Discoveries of Advanced Technology in Ancient Civilizations ?
38 posted on 03/27/2014 12:47:13 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SeekAndFind

Aside from the impossible logistics of gathering two of every animal on earth and all the requisite food to keep them alive, what about the myriad fishermen alive during that time? Surely their boats could survive during this time and they could drink the rain water and catch fish for sustenance, right? So why would Noah’s boat be the only one to survive? And did he have two white people and two Asians and two Africans and two Indians and two people of every race? Did they then all commit incest to grow their numbers sufficient to repopulate the planet?

This particular story has always bothered me. And when one calculates the sheer volume of water to accomplish what the story says, it’s simply preposterous on its face. Even if every bit of ice melted the sea level change wouldn’t even come close to covering the whole earth up to the mountaintops. Sure, it would swamp the low-lying areas and all the coastal towns would be inundated, but the people and animals could simply move to higher ground and survive.

I think the Noah story was about a regional flood and as it was retold numerous times the size and impact of the flooding got exaggerated and when it was finally written down it wasn’t even remotely accurate any more.

But that’s just my two cents. Your mileage may differ.


39 posted on 03/27/2014 12:51:28 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: SeekAndFind

Roughly translated it means: “What’s a cubit?”


40 posted on 03/27/2014 2:47:11 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (As long as America's tolerence of failure is not overwhelmed by a desire to succeed, we will fail.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This one is worth your time.

41 posted on 03/27/2014 3:22:00 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SeekAndFind

I still can’t get around Robert Cornuke’s assertion that Genesis 11:2 stipulates that Noah’s descendants journeyed “from the east” or “eastward” (depending on the translation) and settled on a plain in Shinar. Shinar (the plains of Mesopotamia) is due south of Mt. Ararat in Turkey. Also, Genesis describes other mountains around the mountain where the ark landed and Mt. Ararat is a “lonely mountain”. Cornuke made the claim that the ark actually settled in the mountains of northern Irag or Armenia (a k a the land of Urartu”). This has always made sense to me. Besides, nothing in the Bible indicates that that ark is still around today - never understood why folks expected to find it. That’s some old wood, pitch-coated or no.


42 posted on 03/27/2014 3:55:55 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

I think the retold stories are stories of when the glaciers melted and mankind all over the world had to move inland as the waters rose and the land changed. So many populations lived near the waters edge as we do today so it was told and retold, the story of the rainbow was a poetic touch as well.


43 posted on 03/27/2014 6:24:36 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: Two Kids' Dad

I think the retold stories are stories of when the glaciers melted and mankind all over the world had to move inland as the waters rose and the land changed. So many populations lived near the waters edge as we do today so it was told and retold, the story of the rainbow was a poetic touch as well.


44 posted on 03/27/2014 6:24:56 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: SeekAndFind

Review by Randall Price ...

Noah, The Film: All Washed Up
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3138756/posts


45 posted on 03/29/2014 12:31:23 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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