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Study Questions Fat and Heart Disease Link
New York Times ^ | MARCH 17, 2014 | ANAHAD O'CONNOR

Posted on 03/18/2014 8:16:42 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Edited on 03/18/2014 8:46:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Many of us have long been told that saturated fat, the type found in meat, butter and cheese, causes heart disease. But a large and exhaustive new analysis by a team of international scientists found no evidence that eating saturated fat increased heart attacks and other cardiac events.


(Excerpt) Read more at well.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: diet; fat; health; saturatedfat
Government meddling in lifestyle issues depends on the strength of the lobby as well as the strength of the evidence. The government won't say that male homosexuality is dangerous and to be discouraged, because the homosexuals are well organized.
1 posted on 03/18/2014 8:16:42 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

http://authoritynutrition.com/8-ridiculous-myths-about-meat-and-health/


2 posted on 03/18/2014 8:23:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: reaganaut1

http://dietheartpublishing.com/diet-heart-timeline


3 posted on 03/18/2014 8:25:51 AM PDT by Salamander (SNEK!!!)
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To: reaganaut1
Government meddling in lifestyle issues depends on the strength of the lobby as well as the strength of the evidence.

This.

4 posted on 03/18/2014 8:26:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: reaganaut1

I am so sick of all this “health” garbage. Exactly what it is - garbage. They don’t really know what is “good” or “bad” unless it has poison. They keep changing their minds.

Not only don’t I really believe stuff about the fat in foods, but I don’t really believe fat people are more likely to have XXX and WWWW and YYY. I DO believe being fat mechanically causes problems (my DH’s knees, and MIL), but I don’t think there is really any evidence being fat causes more heart problems, diabetes, etc than being thin.

Part of this is because I know there are people who just are genetically fat, and it’s not just that they eat poorly or whatever. If lots of people are naturally fat, yet don’t die at age 35, then it must not be the worst thing in the world. Similarly, lots of thin people who did everything “right” up and die suddenly. If there is any link, it is probably a negligible advantage to be on the thin side.

I think it’s just a prejudice campaign against fat people. Yes, they don’t look good, but don’t try to make it out to be about “health”.

Sorry for the slight tangent.


5 posted on 03/18/2014 8:28:04 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: reaganaut1

Well...well..
The new York Times is catching up...too bad govt has fattened so many of its citizens with their lobby promoted health fads


6 posted on 03/18/2014 8:30:16 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: reaganaut1

But..... but.... but...... it’s science! And like Global Warming, the science is settled. That T-bone steak is bad for the ticker and you should only eat lettuce! So is the NY Slimes entertaining the option the science in fat intake is not settled after all?????? Welcome to the Flat Earth Society NY Times!


7 posted on 03/18/2014 8:33:57 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: reaganaut1
when people cut down on fats they tend to eat more bread, cold cereal

8 posted on 03/18/2014 8:34:06 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
my DH’s knees

Well, as long as he can still swing a bat, it doesn't matter if your Designated Hitter can field or run the bases.

9 posted on 03/18/2014 8:35:51 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
If lots of people are naturally fat, yet don’t die at age 35, then it must not be the worst thing in the world. Similarly, lots of thin people who did everything “right” up and die suddenly. If there is any link, it is probably a negligible advantage to be on the thin side.

Especially of that thin person ends up being accidentally crushed by a fat person.

10 posted on 03/18/2014 8:37:19 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: reaganaut1

“Eat this! Don’t eat that!” “Oh wait, it’s OK to eat that! Don’t eat this anymore!” If the doctors can’t get their story straight, who can be surprised that the Gore-bull warming people aren’t taken seriously?


11 posted on 03/18/2014 8:40:16 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: reaganaut1

Alcohol’s bad. No, a glass a day is OK.
Coffee’s bad. No, coffee’s OK.
Eggs are bad. No, eggs are OK.
Fat’s bad. No, fat’s OK.
Ice age is coming. No, global warming is coming.

Seems like I see something in all this...


12 posted on 03/18/2014 8:43:41 AM PDT by polymuser
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To: reaganaut1
Many of us have long been told that saturated fat, the type found in meat, butter and cheese, causes heart disease.

One more bit of liberal elite stupidity bites the dust...

13 posted on 03/18/2014 8:48:27 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Fighter pilot manoeuvers"? One of the Saudi’s we trained in Texas years ago?)
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To: reaganaut1
Many of us have long been told that saturated fat, the type found in meat, butter and cheese, causes heart disease.

One more bit of liberal elite stupidity bites the dust...

14 posted on 03/18/2014 8:49:28 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Fighter pilot manoeuvers"? One of the Saudi’s we trained in Texas years ago?)
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To: reaganaut1

Woody Allen’s ‘Sleepers’ has him going 200 years into the future finding everybody smoking cigarettes. He said “are you crazy, do you know this will kill you.” “No, actually a hundred ago it was found that it was actually good for you”.


15 posted on 03/18/2014 8:54:01 AM PDT by AU72
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Human mortality rate is 100%. When the control nannies change that, we can talk. Until then, they need to butt out.


16 posted on 03/18/2014 8:54:07 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Washington: "I cannot tell a lie". Obama: "I cannot tell.....I lie")
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To: The South Texan

Maybe the New York Times intellectuals will also realize that it’s darn cold outside for March.


17 posted on 03/18/2014 9:00:01 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: reaganaut1
“It’s the high carbohydrate or sugary diet that should be the focus of dietary guidelines,” he said. “If anything is driving your low-density lipoproteins in a more adverse way, it’s carbohydrates.”

Federal Government Bastards.

But I repeat myself.

18 posted on 03/18/2014 9:14:49 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a pedophile and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: GOPJ

I use coconut oil, for several reasons and it is very high in saturated fat. It is also very high in medium-chain triglycerides which is said to be thermogenic. Tastes great, and cleans up very easily.


19 posted on 03/18/2014 9:16:07 AM PDT by matthew fuller (No, I don't miss GWB- I miss Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld.)
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To: reaganaut1
“It’s the high carbohydrate or sugary diet that should be the focus of dietary guidelines,” he said. “If anything is driving your low-density lipoproteins in a more adverse way, it’s carbohydrates.”

Bingo! Just compare the increase in obesity with the increase in per capita consumption of sugar.

20 posted on 03/18/2014 9:16:27 AM PDT by randita
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To: the OlLine Rebel

It turns out that the rules are pretty simple.

Fat butt, not a big health problem. Fat belly, is a health problem.

Exercise is good, even if it is not associated with weight loss but this more true about fat butt rather than fat belly. It doesn’t even need to be vigorous to be helpful.

Don’t be tired of real research. It is actually good to know facts rather than consensus.


21 posted on 03/18/2014 9:27:08 AM PDT by dangerdoc (I don't think you should be forced to make the same decision I did even if I know I'm right.)
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To: reaganaut1

But I thought the science was settled!

A governmental science entity can’t have had an ulterior motive can they? (infested with ‘diet for a small planet’ co-religionists)


22 posted on 03/18/2014 9:29:07 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Uncle Miltie

The food pyramid was drawn by ADM.


23 posted on 03/18/2014 9:30:11 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Pharmboy

Oh look.


24 posted on 03/18/2014 9:30:32 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: randita

I read ears ago that the food pyramid was developed so that really poor people could get enough food, i.e., rice, beans, bread, etc.

But it was said by whatever writer that if one could afford meats, fish and fresh vegetables, that was the better diet.

But now we do not seem to have any really poor as there is so much subsidized housing and foodstamps. And the very poor of yesteryear did more hard work So now we have this pyramid which gives basically idle people the idea that they can eat endless quantities of bread, pasta, etc.


25 posted on 03/18/2014 9:31:42 AM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: reaganaut1

This low fat diet and goal of low fats in our blood may be the biggest scam ever foisted on Americans.

There may be some validity in families, where there are early deaths due to cardiac events and high so called undesirable fats in the patients blood stream.

This low fat bs was pushed in its early days supposedly to prevent early heart attacks/stroke. Now it is being pushed for those of us in our 70’s and 80’s, even to those of us with zero genetic history of early heart attacks, with parents/grandparents and siblings living to their late 70’s, 80’s an 90’s.

How many of us know of a relative or friend in their 70’s to 80’s being put on a low fat diet and poisoned by the anti statin drugs, developing alzheimer’s or some senior mental impairment.

If you know someone in a fairly high position in a hospital or clinical lab, after a glass or two of wine, ask them if they are seeing increases of cancers in the those being treated with the statin lowering drugs.

Eat a balanced diet, enjoy your glass of wine or two or beer and go on enjoyable walks. Have a core of good friends and hold your family with love. Even if you don’t live longer, you will be happier.


26 posted on 03/18/2014 9:32:09 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Too bad Obama does not take OUR borders as seriously as he does the Ukraine!)
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To: Black Agnes

Thanks for being here.

You can serve as the medical advisor re not to buy into this bs of low fat and anti fat drugs.


27 posted on 03/18/2014 9:34:42 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Too bad Obama does not take OUR borders as seriously as he does the Ukraine!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Eat a balanced diet, enjoy your glass of wine or two or beer and go on enjoyable walks. Have a core of good friends and hold your family with love. Even if you don’t live longer, you will be happier.

Very sound advice.

28 posted on 03/18/2014 9:36:50 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Grampa Dave

Seriously. And it’s not like no one profited from all the misinformation and just bad dietary advice. Not to mention the whole idea of NHS. A fit healthy population is FAR less likely to buy into governmental control of their health. An expensively sickly one will do that in a new york minute.

Corruption. It’s not just for other countries anymore.


29 posted on 03/18/2014 9:41:50 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: polymuser

Maybe if scientists stuck to science (see Scientific Method) and stayed out of politics and policy cheerleading, we would not go through these.roller coaster cycles.


30 posted on 03/18/2014 9:58:06 AM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Sorry for the slight tangent

I think you just about covered the problems with this story. We never had an "obesity" crisis; but, the govt. started pushing grains and carbs as healthier for us; and, voila!, an obesity crisis.

I knew a woman in her 70's who ate very healthy diet, where the only meat she ever ate was white meat chicken. Her doctor ended up having to put her on two different cholesterol medicines at once because her diet, and one pill wasn't handling her cholesterol problems. She was healthy, had a good weight (no fat at all on her body, really), she exercised; but, her body had a problem with cholesterol.

31 posted on 03/18/2014 10:23:16 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Uncle Miltie

Damn Ancil Keys and may he burn in hell.


32 posted on 03/18/2014 11:01:37 AM PDT by zek157
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To: LibertarianLiz

Statin blockers are another horror story, especially for a woman like this.


33 posted on 03/18/2014 11:03:53 AM PDT by zek157
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To: zek157

YEP....when my Mom was about 80 they put her on statins....made her really sick, and since she’s had dementia problems....she quit them, luckily, and is doing better...just turned 83.


34 posted on 03/18/2014 12:39:21 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Black Agnes
Thanks as usual for your excellent remarks.

"Seriously. And it’s not like no one profited from all the misinformation and just bad dietary advice. Not to mention the whole idea of NHS. A fit healthy population is FAR less likely to buy into governmental control of their health. An expensively sickly one will do that in a new york minute."

Your last two sentences above should be a clear warning to those of us not wanting Obozo Care nor some liberals trying to control our lives as per their agendas.

35 posted on 03/18/2014 2:36:54 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Too bad Obama does not take OUR borders as seriously as he does the Ukraine!)
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To: goodnesswins

“YEP....when my Mom was about 80 they put her on statins....made her really sick, and since she’s had dementia problems....she quit them, luckily, and is doing better...just turned 83.”

Good for her and you. Keep her off the poison, the statins.


36 posted on 03/18/2014 2:40:54 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Too bad Obama does not take OUR borders as seriously as he does the Ukraine!)
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To: Grampa Dave

“Eat a balanced diet, enjoy your glass of wine or two or beer and go on enjoyable walks. Have a core of good friends and hold your family with love. Even if you don’t live longer, you will be happier.”

Worth repeating, even after someone else repeated it! At least, this geezer with 4 grandkids thinks so...


37 posted on 03/18/2014 2:44:02 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
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To: Mr Rogers

and eat GOOD Fats and Proteins!!!


38 posted on 03/18/2014 7:29:23 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Black Agnes

They are finally catching up to the reality that many have known for years.


39 posted on 03/19/2014 3:59:09 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: zek157

Bingo...the One. He was a lying ...... Our own Lysenko.


40 posted on 03/19/2014 4:00:56 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

I read a column about him and that ‘low fat’ research a few years ago. Specifically how he had to cherry pick the nations he used in his final tabulations.

When I was a kid, in the 1970’s, high blood pressure medication was something your grandparents took. People in their late 50’s+. Now there are hordes of THIRTY something’s on bp meds. Geeze. My hubby is the ONLY one of his forty something year old coworkers who is NOT on bp meds. We low carb for the most part. Just sayin’.


41 posted on 03/19/2014 6:07:38 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes

Indeed. Keys, I believe, did a 17 nation study and threw out the results from ten since they did not come out the way he wanted them to.

With HTN, there are a few of us who believe that it is the reversed K/Na ratio that we ingest now that is reversed BIG time from our paleo ancestors.


42 posted on 03/19/2014 6:20:45 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

I’m pushing the big 50 and every time I go for my ob/gyn appointment the nurse practically hyperventilates when she takes my bp. She usually repeats it 2 or 3 times. She just can’t believe that someone in my age group, not thin, can have a bp of 105/70. It’s usually 95 or 100/70ish when I’m at home or medical kin takes it. ‘White coat’ adds a good 5 or 10 to the top.

I usually tell the nurse that I low carb and that’s why my bp is so good. After a shocked look she then usually proceeds to tell me ‘but that’s not healthy for your heart!’. LOL. W/o realizing the contradictions in front of her face. Indoctrinated in nursing school they are...


43 posted on 03/19/2014 6:33:16 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Pharmboy

Another thing about the butter, cheese (hard cheeses) and meats, particularly organ meats is the vitamin K2 content of those. Big study (Rotterdam study maybe?) that linked consumption of those with lack of aortic stenosis. Cees Vermeer (wonder if he’s kin somehow ancestrally to the artist) is the lead researcher in that particular one IIRC.


44 posted on 03/19/2014 6:34:56 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Take a look at the BP change in the Atkins subjects. Here. Scroll down and look at the table with secondary measures.
45 posted on 03/19/2014 5:33:59 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

my mom’s bp went from 165/somethingorother unmedicated to 115/80 with meds to 115/80 w/o meds but doing low carb.

Low carb eliminated the need for meds altogether. And within just a week or 10 days. After 3 or 4 days, when she hit ketosis really good she started feeling faint. Had our cousin who’s a nurse take her b/p and b/s. b/p was 90 over something (she was still taking her meds) and her b/s was 90. First time her b/s had been under 100 in years. She called her internist who halved her b/p meds on the spot. Ended up ditching them altogether within 2 weeks.

She still takes metformin. Just because. So do I.

And her arthritis in her hands and feet doesn’t bug her like it used to. Even when it’s cold.


46 posted on 03/19/2014 6:47:28 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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