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How NASA might build its very first warp drive
io9 ^ | November 26, 2013 | George Dvorsky

Posted on 11/29/2013 7:24:42 PM PST by EveningStar

A few months ago, physicist Harold White stunned the aeronautics world when he announced that he and his team at NASA had begun work on the development of a faster-than-light warp drive. His proposed design, an ingenious re-imagining of an Alcubierre Drive, may eventually result in an engine that can transport a spacecraft to the nearest star in a matter of weeks — and all without violating Einstein's law of relativity. We contacted White at NASA and asked him to explain how this real life warp drive could actually work.

(Excerpt) Read more at io9.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: aerospace; alcubierredrive; aviation; ftl; haroldgwhite; haroldsonnywhite; haroldwhite; interstellarflight; nasa; stringtheory; warpdrive; xplanets
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To: FredZarguna
"No one has ever visited us from the future."

How the heck can you know that?

81 posted on 11/29/2013 10:32:07 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: Pox
The reply is to Pontiac. You are included, because he was replying to you. Please observe the "to" fields.

That matter can not simply be “brushed” aside and ignored if you want to move other matter through space.

You are correct on this point, and I was agreeing with you. You should have stopped right there. The rest of what you have to say is nonsense:

Travel frames of reference as pertaining to time are debatable outside of the sublumial construct

Wrong. There are objects in our universe beyond our horizon which have apparent velocities greater than light because of the expansion of the universe. We can no longer see them because the light from them can never reach us. Lorentz invariance applies to these objects.

accepted mathematical principles laid down by Einstein

They were not laid down by Einstein, but by Poincare, Lorentz, Fitzgerald, Minkowski, and others. Einstein's contribution was that he understood the physical significance of the mathematics.

simply due to the fact that he did not believe any appreciable quantities of mass (such as a ship carrying a pilot) could travel faster than a photon

He did not believe anything. He proved that it was not possible.

the energy requirements to propel such mass at such a velocity would exceed the mass of the universe itself (at least I think it was Einstein, I could be mistaken).

You are mistaken about what he proved. What he proved was that a particle with a finite rest mass -- even something as small as an electron -- would require an infinite amount of energy to reach the speed of light.

Traveling backwards in time is not feasible according to known laws of physics, quantum or otherwise.

This statement is probably true, but not proven. Neither in classical nor quantum physics has this been proven. There are a number of speculative theories that deny it, or argue in favor of it. There is no known observation that it is impossible, nor is it inconsistent with any existing theory. The laws of both classical and quantum mechanics can be run either forward or backward in time.

In any case, traveling faster than light does not necessitate moving backwards through time.

Yes, it does. This statement is 100% factually incorrect.

The mathematics at that point are very debatable.

No, they are not. The mathematics required to prove this requires nothing more than the two principles of Special Relativity and very basic (right triangle) arithmetic. I have taught this to junior/senior undergrads in Physics, and although I haven't used my PhD in Physics for almost 30 years, it has not changed, and I have not forgotten anything this basic.

82 posted on 11/29/2013 10:34:37 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: MV=PY

Was it in the papers?


83 posted on 11/29/2013 10:35:15 PM PST by FredZarguna (The sequel, thoroughly pointless, derivative, and boring was like all James Cameron "films.")
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To: cloudmountain

“Surfing down the wave front” is more like Dark Star than Star Trek.


84 posted on 11/29/2013 10:50:49 PM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: EveningStar

Oh sure, they'll have that in no time.

85 posted on 11/29/2013 10:56:08 PM PST by Bullish (America should yank Obama like a rotten tooth before he poisons the entire body)
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To: FredZarguna
There are objects in our universe beyond our horizon which have apparent velocities greater than light because of the expansion of the universe. We can no longer see them because the light from them can never reach us. Lorentz invariance applies to these objects.

Please cite your reference for such an assertion. I've read of such observations that "seemed" to be superluminal, but none that have been verified as likely factual, and the few (or perhaps couple) of such claims I've read of were never backed up with a theory that could explain such an aberrant (IMO) observation. I was under the impression that the "Lorentz invariance" was only applicable to local observations, so I may be mistaken, but if that is the case, it should not be applicable to long range observations that have several possible variables to explain an observational exception. However, if the postulation that objects permanently out of our observation range due to their distance + superluminal velocity then it is not a reasonable theory as far as practical observations go, at this point in our history, and are not possible for verification (obviously). However, such a belief also is apparently ludicrous from the standpoint that even if an object is traveling faster than light, that does not necessarily make it an unobservable object, regardless of the expansion rate of the universe, unless you're trying to say that the universe is expanding greater than the speed of light. It may take 15+ billion years to reach our neck of the woods, but if that object reflects or emits photons, those photons will eventually make their way here (most likely, depending upon several mundane factors revolving around what is between us).The proceeding is not factually based but extrapolation of my understanding of physics in general, so I may be mistaken on a few points.

Yes, it does. This statement is 100% factually incorrect.

My bad. I should have been more specific in stating that I believe that the mathematics showing this to be the case are faulty regardless of the fact that I do not have the mathematics at my fingertips to prove it wrong. I understand Special Relativity and multiple levels of math, but (and I hate to admit this) I simply have the "gut" feeling that something about this "theory" is fundamentally incorrect. I can't explain it better than that, so I suppose my belief can be dismissed out of hand.

I suppose it's the same feeling I get when physicists claim that neutrinos have no mass.
86 posted on 11/29/2013 11:31:28 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Stingray
that I can believe in..

87 posted on 11/29/2013 11:53:34 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi 8-)
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To: EveningStar

cool


88 posted on 11/30/2013 12:22:29 AM PST by mowowie
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
And VOILA', problem solved...;-)

Well yeah if you're French:)

89 posted on 11/30/2013 12:28:38 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Yet we STILL don’t have flying cars.”

I hear ya. I canceled my subscription to Popular Mechanics over stuff like this. Too many broken promises.

-bitter.


90 posted on 11/30/2013 1:06:48 AM PST by Justa
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To: Pontiac

Excellent. Space-displacement is really the only thing that makes sense to me. It addresses several problems.

1) G-force.

2) Striking objects during transit.

Although I don’t understand the mechanics the theory implies the craft simply displace -x distance in front of it and +x distance in back of it. Doing so hundreds or even thousands of times a second makes for some good travel time. A 187-mile displacement done 1000 times a second would get them FTL.


91 posted on 11/30/2013 1:34:00 AM PST by Justa
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The period that elapsed between no aircraft and jet aircraft was about three decades.

Counterpoint: In 1969, the largest commercial aircraft ever built was flown for the first time.

45 years later, the Boeing 747 is still being built.

92 posted on 11/30/2013 2:00:30 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

The SSTs and Concordes caused sonic booms, as I’m sure you know, which was a no-go politically over land. A family friend worked on the North American SST in the 60’s, so I’m a little familiar with the plane. What’s the answer?


93 posted on 11/30/2013 2:05:04 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("Of the 4 wars in my lifetime none came about because the US was too strong." Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Concorde didn’t retire because it caused sonic booms over land. It retired because it used so much fuel that it wasn’t economically viable.

The answer is to carefully shape the aircraft so that most of the sonic boom is reflected upwards, and is being developed by NASA.


94 posted on 11/30/2013 3:33:54 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Proud2BeRight
Interesting but I’m still waiting for that carburetor that will move a 4,500 lb sedan 100mpg.

And perpetual motion machines and cold fusion generators, and the return of solid chocolate Easter bunnies...not to mention insurance that can be kept if you like it.

95 posted on 11/30/2013 4:02:29 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: NonValueAdded
“Surfing down the wave front” is more like Dark Star than Star Trek.

Okay, I'll give you that. I will concede to your better judgment, never having done either.

96 posted on 11/30/2013 6:17:27 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray; cloudmountain

Also people traveled all over the world for many centuries without using one bit of fuel. Sailing ships explored and colonized the entire earth.

It is not at all unreasonable to think similar opportunities for propulsion may exist in space.


97 posted on 11/30/2013 7:13:30 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Which leads to it’s a really big galaxy and even with travel between stars in weeks that could still put us a very long way from space travelers. And they just might not notice us. Think about how regularly we kept finding tribes in Africa and South America even in the 20th century, long after we had the ability to get to them we still weren’t going there for a variety of reasons.


98 posted on 11/30/2013 7:19:03 AM PST by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Actually we do have flying cars, numerous versions have been figured out. And the one thing every inventor of them figured out is that while they’re nifty they’re also completely useless. The wings are a big pain while trying to be a car, and the car is a massive weight while trying to be a plane. This makes storage and travel capacities rather limited, and transitioning between the two rather cumbersome.


99 posted on 11/30/2013 7:25:03 AM PST by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: Star Traveler

You are quibbling over sources that say the same thing. At least the io9 article also included the link I copied over to White’s 33 page pdf...


100 posted on 11/30/2013 8:22:10 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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