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The Case That Jerry Sandusky Was Over-Charged & Penn State Was Innocent (Part 1 of 2)
youtube ^ | 11-19-13 | John Ziegler

Posted on 11/19/2013 6:52:50 PM PST by FlJoePa

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To: FlJoePa

Why, the fellow was just gay!


21 posted on 11/19/2013 7:33:01 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Colofornian

No, I just have the guts to say what others won’t say. I realize it makes me an easy target for short attention spans like yours.

I couldn’t care less. I want the truth. The media and the PA OAG haven’t given it to us.


22 posted on 11/19/2013 7:33:31 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: All
Here's the link to part 2 for all of you who refused to watch part 1:

part 2 of the video

24 posted on 11/19/2013 7:39:00 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: FlJoePa
JZ still thinks he’s a “pedophile” that belongs behind bars. He just doesn’t think he’s guilty of any of the actual sex acts.

Now that's a new twist. He's a pedophile that belongs behind bars but was never guilty of any actual sex acts.

25 posted on 11/19/2013 7:39:17 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: deadrock; Viennacon; FlJoePa; All
What was the name of the police officer he called? Police Chief? FBI agent? DOJ agent? He sent a sheepish 'I hope this doesn't hurt the school' email to a superior. He was an enabling creep.

Exactly. Precisely.

And now...ALL of these Penn State banner-wavers still being Sandusky's & Paterno's advocates --
-- along being advocates of the other pervert-protectors who were on Penn State's paycheck records thru November and May, respectively (Spanier was thru Nov -- up until he was charged; and their AD Curley was up until his retirement last Spring)--
--can just go ahead & start their new Nittany Lyin' "support group": Creepers Unanimous!

26 posted on 11/19/2013 7:41:44 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: FlJoePa

We all just need to acknowledge these distinguished university scholars’ Jerry Sandusky’s and Joe Paterno’s contributions to scientific progress. Alert the Nobel Committee!


27 posted on 11/19/2013 7:44:48 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Fiji Hill

If I’m Sarah, I’m on my knees every night thanking God that he’s not pals anymore and I don’t have to try to explain why he is and why he’s doing this.


28 posted on 11/19/2013 7:48:09 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: SamAdams76; FlJoePa; All
JZ still thinks he’s a “pedophile” that belongs behind bars. He just doesn’t think he’s guilty of any of the actual sex acts. [flJoePa]

Now that's a new twist. He's a pedophile that belongs behind bars but was never guilty of any actual sex acts. [SamAdams76]

Oh. We get it. We think.

You & "JZ" think Sandusky is simply a "fantasy pedophile" and that people should spend umpteen years behind bars for such fantasies, eh?

Now, given the homosexual activists' agenda re: "sexual orientation" "thought crimes" -- tell us, how do you distinguish yourselves from them again?

29 posted on 11/19/2013 7:52:53 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Joe Paterno followed the procedures that are still in place today. He notified his superior and went further by setting up a meeting with mike mcqueary, his superior, and the head of the University Police.

I’m not sure what else he was supposed to do based on a sketchy account given to him by a witness that has numerous times admitted he didn’t go into detail in his conversation with Joe.

Even if mm DID go into detail in that conversation (which he didn’t), Joe followed the book. To do otherwise could have jeopardized the investigation.

You believe whatever you want though. Whatever makes you feel good. Truth be damned.


30 posted on 11/19/2013 7:55:16 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Colofornian

Hardly.

Sandusky was a pedophile, and nobody is denying his guilt here. Various individuals covered for him, but the main culprits in that regard were the people at the highest levels of the school admin. I objected to the media circus surrounding Paterno simply because he was the only one whose name everyone knew, when they ignored the people most responsible. Paterno never witnessed the act as far as we know. We know McQueary or whatever his name was did, but Paterno only reported it to the people he was supposed to report it to.

McQueary had a moral obligation to call the cops since he witnessed it, but Paterno was going on only what he was told. He could have made more of an effort, but to put him in the same category as the people above who had the bureaucratic responsibility to actually initiate the investigation and didn’t, is unjust. Those people are deserving of far more scorn than Paterno, especially Spanier.

I don’t think he should have stayed on as coach, but the complete destruction of his legacy and some of the punitive measures like nullifying all the victories is wrong in my view.


31 posted on 11/19/2013 7:59:19 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: RichInOC

Honestly, I tried to listen to part one. That man has the whiniest voice I think I have ever heard. About 10 minutes of his high pitched whine should be enough to make one pierce ear drums.


32 posted on 11/19/2013 8:00:20 PM PST by healy61
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To: deadrock
"What was the name of the police officer he called? Police Chief? FBI agent? DOJ agent? He sent a sheepish 'I hope this doesn't hurt the school' email to a superior. He was an enabling creep."

I'd love to see a link to a recount of his. This is really rich.

Joe Paterno never sent or received an e-mail in his life. Not about this, not to a recruit, not to his grandchildren. Late in life (in 2011), he would have his staff set up skype to talk to recruits, but he didn't use e-mail.

Don't let this FACT get in the way of your fantasy though.

33 posted on 11/19/2013 8:00:58 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: Nervous Tick
I'll second that. These jock-sniffing JoePa worshipers make me sick. All one has to do is read Paterno's own words.

Paterno said in a deposition read in court Dec. 16, 2011, "I ordinarily would have called people right away, but it was a Saturday morning, and I didn't want to interfere with their weekends."

I wonder if that poor boy who was raped had a good weekend. Rot in hell Paterno, and take your enablers with you.

34 posted on 11/19/2013 8:07:18 PM PST by American Guesser
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To: Viennacon
...the main culprits in that regard were the people at the highest levels of the school admin.

Fact:

Yes, Spanier was out as prez; but he remained on the Penn State payroll as a tenured prof until he was formally indicted (last November); and the athletic director was on paid leave...he retired last Spring.

IoW, unlike Paterno, whom they fired -- they didn't fire these two clowns. That means Penn State's administrative "culprits" extended into 2012...and perhaps 2013.

And not only that, no grassroots movement on the part of Penn State fans existed as people lobbying to get these two clowns off of the Nittany Lyin' payroll...which means THEY are also part of the "do nothing" problem that carved a "refuge" for Sandusky & his pals to begin with!

35 posted on 11/19/2013 8:09:59 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Nervous Tick

One step at a time. This is how they work us to normalize pederasty.


36 posted on 11/19/2013 8:13:02 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Viennacon
Paterno never witnessed the act as far as we know. We know McQueary or whatever his name was did, but Paterno only reported it to the people he was supposed to report it to.

I've said this on several previous threads...allow me to repeat it for your benefit:

Listen...and please listen well:

Some cover-ups exist by commission -- of which it's hard to prove JoePa was guilty of ...
and then there's cover-ups by omission...which is all too easy to conclude in this case.

JoePa was a literal "god" on campus. During those post-Sandusky shower years, he STILL at that time THE most powerful man on campus.

He hired the shower eyewitness onto his staff as a wide receivers coach AFTER the shower stall report.

All he ever had to do was to have one little convo with his asst coach -- asking if the authorities had ever followed up on that report. [Upon which he could have pushed his supposed "superiors" on campus further as to why it was never "handled" properly...I say supposed "superiors" because at one point JoePa was still powerful enough to throw his weight around campus had he so chosen]

Either that little convo didn't happen...which was outright neglect...or, he found out the answer & pursued NOTHING further that would have removed his name from the ensuing taint.

This same wide receiver coach then cont'd up the "reward" progression ... being named head of recruiting. So, JoePa & others who "Hired" him as WR coach & then head of recruiting could "research" all they want about the man they were in the process of hiring...but they couldn't find out one simple thing about the lack of authorities' pursuit of what he saw in the Penn State shower?

Sorry...there IS such a thing as common-sense credulity.

37 posted on 11/19/2013 8:15:41 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Paterno was neither smeared nor railroaded. ... At Penn State, it goes right to the top, where that loon President

I think you are half right on this. That loon president is an effin' liberal whose mission was to bring home the bacon to one of the largest state-related universities in the country. And Spanier could bring home the bacon. He lived a life of private jets, fund raising, grants, parties and politics. You mention the hockey stick graph ... Spanier and ilk like him are responsible for sucking up to the AlGore's of the world to get their money to grow a kingdom of ivory towers. Spanier is an unprincipled liberal who was completely willing to cover up any scandal that would effect his success.

Now to Paterno ... he did not get along or like Sandusky. Paterno fired Sandusky before Sandusky established his pattern of molesting boys. Paterno was running a major college football program, whether you like that job or not, it exists at every large college. That is a job filled with long days dedicated to a sport and growing young men (many of which are constantly in trouble, either with grades or with the law ... just the nature of the beast).

Given these facts, put yourself in Paterno's shoes when an assistant coach comes to him with an allegation against Sandusky. Paterno follows the protocol laid down by a liberal university administration and does due diligence for an incident that he did not even see. Spanier drops the ball. The campus police drops the ball. The DA drops the ball. The PA Dept. of Public Welfare drops the ball. The PA AG drops the ball. Paterno went back to coaching football, and literally in his daily coaching life he wanted nothing to do with the liberal administration. Paterno was a well noted conservative. He wanted to be left alone to do his job.

Personally, if I was in Paterno's situation, unaccustomed to seeing anyone younger than high school junior recruits, and coming from a generation that it is nearly impossible to imagine the hideous evils that Sandusky was performing, I would think that others were more qualified to deal with the problem ... especially when it wasn't Paterno's job to deal with the problem. Paterno reported an incident that he didn't even see. His hand off was fumbled.

Bottom line, Sandusky is evil, some in the university's administration were enablers and a whole lot of public officials were not doing their jobs. This doesn't damn 60k plus current students and hundreds of thousands of alumni ... many of which are conservative and don't like all of the liberal crap going on at PSU. My father and I are alumni. My daughter is in her freshman year. We know about the problems with the board of trustees and we do what we can to change things. JoePa shouldn't be made into a saint. He was a football coach; a damn great football coach that helped change college football and helped make many boys into men of principle.

38 posted on 11/19/2013 8:16:40 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - shall not be questioned)
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To: FlJoePa

So, the boy in the shower with Sandusky, witnessed by an assistant coach, wasn’t being sexually abused at all, why he was just trying out for center, perfectly innocent. They weren’t even nude. Right?


39 posted on 11/19/2013 8:18:31 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ConservativeMind

Maybe (former) Pezzy Spanier isn’t a noted scholar of Wife Swapping Studies and didn’t encourage Gay Valley to have cunt fest?


40 posted on 11/19/2013 8:26:53 PM PST by Paladin2
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