Posted on 09/13/2013 10:43:45 PM PDT by LibWhacker
What a coincidence, me and a buddy were arguing this very subject the other evening during happy hour.....
Amen!
OMG, they could look into the future and see Kerry & McCain...........
“One might even propose all intelligent minds in the universe are disembodied brains with complete sets of memories that randomly fluctuated out of chaos rather than evolving conventionally from a relatively orderly past. If everyone’s minds are suspect, one might never be able to tell whether one’s model of the universe is viable or not.”
This is where you end up when you have to rely on your own wisdom.
Lord, I think I have seen enough.
“...it is a fallacy...”
Sorry Luke, but it is the truth. It is one of the principles of probability; in fact, mathematically it is even more strongly stated. Any random event, no matter how unlikely, if has a probability of happening, WILL happen given enough time.
“If everyone’s mind is suspect, one might never be able to tell whether one’s model of the Universe is viable or not.”
Didn’t the philosopher David Hume (or Home?) say pretty much the same thing back in the 17th or 18th Century?
Substitute a bunch of supercomputers constructed of ASIC chips for the monkeys and you have the NSA trying to brute force a long encryption key.
Pretty much describes FR
What complete rubbish! The universe does not depend on humans’ ways of measuring it! The universe is what it is no matter what people think of it and whether it conforms to people’s expectations about it or not.
I don’t expect much intelligence from a pop science mag, but this is really stupid. They will risk their reputation just to get ‘doomsday’ in the headline.
“randomly materialize into existence. “
If a scientist can’t see the absurdity of that statement, then he or she is not fit to be a scientist.
CRAP! I'm going to have to reschedule a lot of appointments in Outlook!
“To be or not to be, that is the banana.”
Dang. Start over.
I don't claim to be expert in the mathematics of probability, but this doesn't sound right to me.
Let us assume an event has a probability of happening once in 1M years. Which means of course a one in 1M chance for any given year. Give it a million total years, and the probability it will happen is 1:1.
In one billion years the probability of it NOT happening is 1 in 1000. In a trillion years 1 in 1M.
But the chance of anything happening, no matter how likely or unlikely, never reaches absolute, no matter how much time is involved. Really, really likely or unlikely does not equal mathematical certainty.
I especially liked the article's blithe assumption, if I was reading it right, that there is a 1 in 10M chance the universe will end this year, and that this means it will most likely come to an end in 10M years from now. That is most definitely not how probability works.
My wife and I are meeting her son and his wife at Mikey's on the Bayou this afternoon (seafood place in Ocean Springs, MS) - might need to make it earlier...
Assuming you are actually referring to a random event which happens, on average, once every million years, that's not right.
If it happens, on average, once every million years, the probability of it happening in any given year is 0.000001.
The probability of it not happening in any given year is then "1 - 0.000001", or 0.999999.
The probability of it not happening in each of two years is then 0.999999 * 0.999999, or 0.999998000001.
The odds of it not happening in a million years is then 0.999999 to the millionth power, or roughly 0.37; in any given million-year interval there's a 37% chance of it not happening at all.
In fact, extending to a 10-million year interval, there's a roughly 0.00004 chance of it not happening in that entire period.
BTTT
"Dang. Start Over...
... Oh crap. It's not random anymore."
Another way to think about that might be:
Since the slightest deviation would preclude life as we know it, perhaps there is another universe in which the constant of proportionality relating the energy of a photon to the frequency of that photon (also known as ɛɜɝɞɟɠɣɥɧɮɳɷʂʄʱ in that hypothetical universe). is sufficiently different that we could not live there.
However, intelligent life does exist there and has advanced to the point they have deduced the principles of Quantum Mechanics, and have determined the value of ɛɜɝɞɟɠɣɥɧɮɳɷʂʄʱ with utmost precision. Perhaps they are speculating on the remarkable tides of fate that have placed ɛɜɝɞɟɠɣɥɧɮɳɷʂʄʱ in the remarkably narrow range that allows life as they know it to exist.
Perhaps no "narrow range" exists and life was designed to suit the existing conditions? Perhaps intelligent design applies to more than one universe?
Have you ever wondered why our eyes are most sensitive to "visible light" which is the same portion of the electromagnetic spectrum that carries the lion's share of the Sun's energy output. Amazing coincidence, don't you think?
Regards,
GtG
Hopefully they won’t run out of skrimps... all those end of the universe eaters.
Watch your language, mister.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.