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History re Putin and Obama (Vanity)
Vanity ^ | Sept. 10, 2013 | Piytar

Posted on 09/10/2013 8:05:26 PM PDT by piytar

Does nobody study history anymore?

The world is coming frighteningly close to renacting 1939 pre-WWII.

Here are the roles:

Obama is Nevil Chaberlain: a rank amateur in control of a world power who is completely out of his depth.

Then there is the powerful and admired man, the one rebuilding a failed empire after it lost a brutal conflict (substitute the Cold War for WWI). A monster who is nonetheless well respected. One who wants to recapture lost territory (substitute the Ukrain for Poland). The "peace maker" with legitimate grievances. A true professional to boot.

As the saying goes, we've read this book. Or should have. And last time the ending included "50,000,000+ dead."

No, Putin is not as nuts or power mad as Hitler was, but everything from his support of Syria to Obama's utter pathetic incompetence matches up to WWII. Except this time we have nukes at the START of any war.

That said, there are some major differences. Putin has to save Obama's butt because the last thing he wants is a strong American President to follow Obama. He definitely does not want to see the rise of a Churchill or (horrors) a Reagan. Also, our military is still the most powerful history has ever seen. By a LOT (despite Obama's efforts to gut it). Putin doesn't want that fight.

But the parallels are there.

The take-away: don't trust Obama because he is incompetent. Don't trust Putin because he is competent.

PS Also don't trust Obama because he is a thin skinned narcicistic psychopath who has no real loyalty to America.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History
KEYWORDS: obama; putin; wwii; wwiii
What say Freepers?
1 posted on 09/10/2013 8:05:26 PM PDT by piytar
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To: piytar

We have been talking about this for about the last three years on this site. But thank you for bringing it to our attention.


2 posted on 09/10/2013 8:08:54 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Delta Dawn

True, but I hadn’t it seen laid out this bluntly, so I decided to.


3 posted on 09/10/2013 8:10:39 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar
Obama is an evil socialist/communist bent on destroying all of these :capitalism, freedom,America , Christianity and western civilization.

Putin I see as a modern day Charles Martel defending Christianity.

4 posted on 09/10/2013 8:13:43 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: piytar
Obama is an evil socialist/communist bent on destroying alll of these :capitlaism, freedom,America , Christianity and western civilization.

Putin I see as a modern day Charles Martel defending Christianity from radical Islam.

Obama has helped alquada and fundamentalist Islamic terrorists massacre Christians and take over countries in the Middle East.

Charles Martel saved Europe from the Islamic invasion so Putin is sawing Christians In Syria

5 posted on 09/10/2013 8:16:21 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: piytar
Obama is Nevil Chaberlain: a rank amateur in control of a world power who is completely out of his depth.

When all else fails, spell people's names correctly.

6 posted on 09/10/2013 8:18:19 PM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: Democrat_media

That is the image he has created, but I am not so sure. Read “The Third Reich; Rise and Fall of the Nazis.” The parallels are terrifying.

Or maybe you’re right. But the same monsters do the same things again and again and again throughout history: they look like saviors before bring mass misery and death.

BTW Obama is definitely in that category. I am not picking Obama over Putin. In fact, I’d vote for Putin over Obama for President. No joke. But I am starting to be scared of who and Putin is, too.

PS Just research all of the people who have opposed Putin and then died, usually badly.


7 posted on 09/10/2013 8:21:03 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Standing Wolf

Yes, spelling Nazi, it should be Neville. Thank you for your contribution to the discussion.


8 posted on 09/10/2013 8:22:21 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

Who and what Putin is... (Hey, I’m on the road and posting from a phone.)


9 posted on 09/10/2013 8:24:32 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

The only reason Putin is doing this is because we’re paying for it. No doubt in my mind we’re buying this charade. A few billion dollars to various countries, and obammy gets to claim it was his tough negotiating. This is a financial resolution.


10 posted on 09/10/2013 8:24:39 PM PDT by kjam22 (my newest music video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: piytar

I’m thinking the whole charade is deliberate. WWIII is the solution to global economic failure. All the better if world leaders can sit it out with American blood paying the price.


11 posted on 09/10/2013 8:26:37 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: WestwardHo

Yup. But this is a tiger that once let out of the cage will eat some of them, too. But they’re too arrogant to know that because they also don’t bother with history.

As for us? Will be a rough ride. Sigh.


12 posted on 09/10/2013 8:47:48 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

Obama has not shown his true face yet. When he does he will resemble Hitler and not Neville.


13 posted on 09/10/2013 8:48:43 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: piytar
Nevil Chaberlain

The point to stop reading. Opinions minus knowledge. Sigh!

14 posted on 09/10/2013 8:51:54 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Geese. Another spelling Nazi. And I like you, Cat.

It is Neville. Got it. I am on the road posting with an iPhone. Sheesh.


15 posted on 09/10/2013 9:00:33 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Standing Wolf; Revolting cat!

Ah, see I iPhoned “Chamberlain” too. Enjoy your ego points. Sigh.


16 posted on 09/10/2013 9:02:45 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Standing Wolf; Revolting cat!

BTW the topic of discussion is how the world’s leaders are walking us down the same path that led to WWII, except this time we have nukes BEFORE the war starts. But I am glad it is more important to you two that my nearly 50 year old eyes cannot read the equivalent of 5 point font so well on my iPhone 4. Point well made. Congratulations! I am effectively shamed!


17 posted on 09/10/2013 9:09:39 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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18 posted on 09/10/2013 9:14:51 PM PDT by Daffynition (* “I know, but I do not approve. And I am not resigned.* ~ Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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To: Democrat_media
Putin I see as a modern day Charles Martel defending Christianity.

That's about the way I see it. The return of Russia to Christianity is real, there's no way anybody goes to the cost and trouble of building 200 Christian churches in and around Moscow or rebuilding that gigantic cathedral in Moscow for any sort of a show:


19 posted on 09/10/2013 9:16:41 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Daffynition

Nice!


20 posted on 09/10/2013 9:18:23 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: piytar

Sorry. It’s a worthy topic, but such rudimentary errors, whatever their reason, just bring attention to themselves and speak badly, like it or not, about the poster.

iPhone, you say? Bad phone!


21 posted on 09/10/2013 9:32:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: piytar

I’m in the midst of re-reading Animal Farm.

Lots has been said of Orwell, least I can say is ... what a prophet.

It’s like looking into a mirror of 2013...and the call to *rebel* to one’s fortune is reflected in the 2M Bikers to DC.


22 posted on 09/10/2013 11:38:40 PM PDT by Daffynition (* “I know, but I do not approve. And I am not resigned.* ~ Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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To: piytar
I think a comparable analogy to your Putin to Chamberlain is seen in Truman and Stalin.

British Prime Minister Winston Churchill's version:

I was perhaps five yards away, and I watched with the closest attention the momentous talk. I knew what the President was going to do. What was vital to measure was its effect on Stalin. I can see it all as if it were yesterday. He seemed to be delighted. A new bomb! Of extraordinary power! Probably decisive on the whole Japanese war! What a bit of luck! This was my impression at the moment, and I was sure that he had no idea of the significance of what he was being told. Evidently in his immense toils and stresses the atomic bomb had played no part. If he had the slightest idea of the revolution in world affairs which was in progress his reactions would have been obvious. Nothing would have been easier than for him to say, "Thank you so much for telling me about your new bomb. I of course have no technical knowledge. May I send my expert in these nuclear sciences to see your expert tomorrow morning?" But his face remained gay and genial and the talk between these two potentates soon came to an end. As we were waiting for our cars I found myself near Truman. "How did it go?" I asked. "He never asked a question," he replied. I was certain therefore that at that date Stalin had no special knowledge of the vast process of research upon which the United States and Britain had been engaged for so long...

Winston Churchill, Triumph and Tragedy (Boston: Houghton-Mifflin, 1953) pp 669-70.

23 posted on 09/10/2013 11:51:33 PM PDT by Daffynition (* “I know, but I do not approve. And I am not resigned.* ~ Edna St. Vincent Millay)
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To: Daffynition

Wow. Great comment.


24 posted on 09/11/2013 1:19:18 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Slyfox

Imagine that. A black Hitler. Adolf would be rolling in his grave. I know the O is not a Muslim, but the ring he wears on his ring finger is inscribed in Arabic with the Islamic affirmation of faith. Why would that be? It seems strange to me. The O lied in his speech tonight. Putin’s offer came in from left field and they were caught off guard. But Putin may not know who he is dealing with. Putin temporarily put the O in check but not mate. This ain’t over yet. Lawless he is...


25 posted on 09/11/2013 2:03:21 AM PDT by awaken2spirit (When one fornicates with ignorance, the result of that union is chaos.)
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To: piytar
Does nobody study history anymore?

Nope.

26 posted on 09/11/2013 2:08:11 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. N)
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To: Revolting cat!
It’s a worthy topic, but such rudimentary errors, whatever their reason, just bring attention to themselves and speak badly...

Inexplicably—unless not the least bit inexplicably—sloppy history, sloppy logic, and sloppy writing tend to show up about the same time, and are often closely followed by sloppy excuse making.

I could make a good case for saying today's lord high political "leaders" are following an eerily similar path toward monumental destruction Chamberlain, Hitler, Tojo, Stalin, et alia did shortly before World War II. I could make about as good a case for saying today's lord high political "leaders" are following an eerily similar path toward monumental destruction their imperial predecessors did shortly before World War I.

The paths actually are eerily similar; the crux of the matter, however, ought to have far less to do with paths followed than our—humanity's—apparently unvarying trust in lord high "leaders" whose sole qualification is their skill at "leading" millions of people into prodigious, wanton destruction.

If you always expect the worst of criminals, you won't often be disappointed—but so what? Here's the key question: why do their victims so infrequently rise up in righteous anger and turn on the predators?

27 posted on 09/11/2013 2:28:47 AM PDT by Standing Wolf (No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.)
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To: awaken2spirit
but the ring he wears on his ring finger is inscribed in Arabic with the Islamic affirmation of faith. Why would that be?

Funny you should mention the ring. When that whole business came out, I studied that ring. I looked very closely at it and compared it with other rings. It has no Arabic writing on it. Instead, it is a series of coiled serpents, as in ready to strike:

He has us fooled into thinking that he is dedicated to Allah, while somehow also claiming that he shares our Christian heritage.

However, he wears a ring which means he has some affinity for serpent worship.

Go figure.

A guy has written a book about the ring. I have it on order.

28 posted on 09/11/2013 8:07:48 AM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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