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Engage! Warp Drive Could Become Reality with Quantum-Thruster Physics
Space.com ^ | 8/21/13 | Miriam Kramer

Posted on 08/24/2013 8:14:33 PM PDT by LibWhacker

DALLAS — Warp-drive technology, a form of "faster than light" travel popularized by TV's "Star Trek," could be bolstered by the physics of quantum thrusters — another science-fiction idea made plausible by modern science.

NASA scientists are performing experiments that could help make warp drive a possibility sometime in the future from a lab built for the Apollo program at NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston.

A warp-drive-enabled spacecraft would look like a football with two large rings fully encircling it. The rings would utilize an exotic form of matter to cause space-time to contract in front of and expand behind them. Harold "Sonny" White, a NASA physicist, is experimenting with these concepts on a smaller scale using a light-measuring device in the lab. [Warp Drives and Transporters: How 'Star Trek' Tech Works (Infographic)]

"We're looking for a change in path length of the photon on the interferometer, because that would be potential evidence that we're generating the effect we're looking for," White told SPACE.com. "We've seen, in a couple different experiments with several different analytic techniques, a change in optical-path length. We're making one leg of the interferometer seem a little shorter because of this device being on, versus the device being off. That doesn't mean that it's what we're looking for."

While these results are intriguing, they are in no way definitive proof that warp drive could work, White said. The scaled-down experiments are just a first step toward understanding if these concepts can be taken out of the realm of theory and applied practically.

Quantum thrust through space-time

Quantum-thruster physics, another technology White is looking into at NASA, could be the key to creating the fuel needed for a warp drive.

These electric "q-thrusters" work as a submarine does underwater, except they're in the vacuum of space, White told the crowd here at Starship Congress on Aug. 17. The spacecraft is theoretically propelled through space by stirring up the cosmic soup, causing quantum-level perturbations. The resulting thrust is similar to that created by a submersible moving through water.

The technology produces negative vacuum energy, a key ingredient for an exotic-matter-powered warp-drive engine.

"The physics models that tell us how to construct a q-thruster are the same models we'll use to generate, design and build a negative vacuum generator," White said. "The quantum thrusters might be a propulsion manifestation of the physics, like the big ring around the spacecraft. If you looked in there, there might be 10,000 of these little cans that are the negative vacuum generators."

White wants to try to apply the quantum-thruster physics models the researchers have been working with in the lab to their work with warp drive.

"We have measured a force in several test devices which is a consequence of perturbing the state of the quantum vacuum," White said. The effect has been small but significant in his experimentation. Going forward, White hopes to do more robust testing to possibly magnify those claims. warp drive

Do the time warp

The warp-drive ship itself would never be going faster than the speed of light, but the warped space-time around it could help the spacecraft achieve an effective speed of 10 times the speed of light within the confines of White's concept.

When first proposed by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre in 1994, the warp drive would have required huge, unreasonable amounts of energy, but White's work brought those numbers down. Previous studies extrapolated that the drive would need energy equal to the mass energy of Jupiter.

"In the early epoch of the universe, there was a very short period known as inflation," said Richard Obousy, president of Icarus Interstellar. "We believe that during that inflationary period, space-time itself expanded at many times the speed of light, so there are tantalizing questions when you look at nature as a teacher. Is this something that can be duplicated around the vicinity of a spacecraft?"

Now, White thinks the drive could be powered by a collection of exotic mass about the size of NASA's Voyager 1 probe if the rings housing the mass were shaped like a donut and oscillate over time.


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: alcubierre; aviation; drive; inflation; quantum; stringtheory; thruster; warp; warpdrive

1 posted on 08/24/2013 8:14:33 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

“Fill er up with Exotic” — That’ll be $1 trillion per gallon and your tank took 50,000 gallons.


2 posted on 08/24/2013 8:19:03 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: LibWhacker

Hell of a time to run out of dilithium crystals.


3 posted on 08/24/2013 8:26:19 PM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: LibWhacker

What happens when a bug (any space crap) hits the windshield at warp 8?


4 posted on 08/24/2013 8:26:31 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: LibWhacker

Warp 9 will still keep you within the Milky Way galaxy.


5 posted on 08/24/2013 8:26:44 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A white woman would be accused of racism if she gave birth to a white baby.)
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To: LibWhacker
It'll never fly. Because it has nothing to do with NASA’s primary mission of money and technology transfer to radical Islam.
6 posted on 08/24/2013 8:30:22 PM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: LibWhacker

Interesting!


7 posted on 08/24/2013 8:35:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SkyDancer

Even being able to expand into our arm of the galaxy would be a dream come true.


8 posted on 08/24/2013 8:36:12 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: LibWhacker
Since this is in Houston, I suggest they let Sheila Jackson Lee be the first to test it out.

Pig in Space!

9 posted on 08/24/2013 8:50:00 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Proud2BeRight
What happens when a bug (any space crap) hits the windshield at warp 8?

The last thing on the bug's mind would be it's anus.

10 posted on 08/24/2013 8:52:51 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: LibWhacker

Beam me up, Scotty. Luv Star Trek but won’t be holding my breath RE warp drive, worm holes, etc.


11 posted on 08/24/2013 8:56:01 PM PDT by citizen (We get the government we choose. America either voted for Obama or handed it to him by not voting.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

What happens when a bug (any space crap) hits the windshield at warp 8?
+++++++++
1/2 * m * v * v is going to be huge even if m is small. That’s a problem for sure. A big problem.


12 posted on 08/24/2013 9:13:34 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

bending light is a long way from warping space

he might want to look into the manhattan project where they used massive electro magnets in an attempt to hide a ship in plain sight (by forcing light around the ship instead of bouncing off it)

my guess is, he’s about to get a visit from some guys in black suits that will explain his experiments are classified and he must cease and desist


13 posted on 08/24/2013 9:16:51 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: LibWhacker; SunkenCiv
here yah go..science ping.

14 posted on 08/24/2013 9:23:50 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: LibWhacker

Where are we going to find enough dilithium crystals to run the thing?


15 posted on 08/24/2013 9:24:39 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90

warp drive doesn’t run on dilithium crystals, the crystals focus the energy for the warp drive. They wear down over time from the intense energy focusing.


16 posted on 08/24/2013 9:27:58 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: LibWhacker

Excellent. Nothing exists until it is made.


17 posted on 08/24/2013 9:31:07 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: LibWhacker
"Now, White thinks the drive could be powered by a collection of exotic mass magic about the size of NASA's Voyager 1 probe if the rings housing the mass were shaped like a donut and oscillate over time".

Just correcting.

18 posted on 08/24/2013 9:35:41 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: LibWhacker
Oh, the Event Horizon is here just in time.....
19 posted on 08/24/2013 9:37:20 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS... We are DOOMED for several generations. . Who cares? The Dems care!)
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To: EveningStar
aviation ping

20 posted on 08/24/2013 9:39:51 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: LibWhacker

Get me the hell off this planet.


21 posted on 08/24/2013 9:43:23 PM PDT by struggle
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To: The Cajun

Magic: it’s also what makes Obamacare successful, ensures the NSA doesn’t abuse its spying-powers, keeps the IRS from applying different processes discriminating against ideologies they differ with, and keeps our fiat-currency from collapsing.

Have I left anything out?


22 posted on 08/24/2013 9:44:07 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Sybeck1
no problem, use the Bussard collectors...

23 posted on 08/24/2013 9:46:11 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: DakotaGator

That’s what I was thinking too. How will this make Muslims feel good about themselves, which as we know, is one of the primary functions of Obama’s NASA.


24 posted on 08/24/2013 9:57:45 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: OneWingedShark
Ya forgot covering up Benghazi! Ya forgot covering up forgot Benghazi!!

Sorry, couldn't help it :)

25 posted on 08/24/2013 9:58:47 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz......Nuff said.)
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To: Aetius

“How will this make Muslims feel good about themselves, which as we know, is one of the primary functions of Obama’s NASA.”

Actually, NASA will soon announce that they stole the idea of warping space with exotic matter from Muslims, who had it all figured out during the golden age. In fact, a twelve year old Muslim boy had a working prototype that he developed for his sick mother. The boy was, however, slaughtered by the Crusaders and the secret lost until recent NASA excavations in the middle east.


26 posted on 08/24/2013 10:28:15 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: LibWhacker
Dr. Zefram Cochrane contributed to this staor.
27 posted on 08/24/2013 10:36:30 PM PDT by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: InterceptPoint

Easy.... Just install a ‘deflector shield’ on the front of the spacecraft. Accepting Royalties now...


28 posted on 08/24/2013 10:49:15 PM PDT by Lurk-know-more (The administration is causing the battle lines to be formed. Defend the US Constitution.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

“What happens when a bug (any space crap) hits the windshield at warp 8?”

I am guessing Scottie didn’t have the shields up?


29 posted on 08/24/2013 11:23:13 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Make today a great day. Insult a liberal.)
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To: RightGeek

Oh that’s good, but where’s her spaceship “do”?


30 posted on 08/25/2013 12:24:16 AM PDT by Orbiter
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Better get them to pay in advance, too. No checks.


31 posted on 08/25/2013 12:41:21 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: sten

You almost got it right.. The Manhattan Project was the designing of our first nukes..
You meant the Philadelphia Experiment..


32 posted on 08/25/2013 12:55:11 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Bikkuri

oh, damn.. you’re right. my mistake

i keep mixing up my ultra top secret project names

;)


33 posted on 08/25/2013 4:03:10 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

No worries, happens to me every time I wake-up ;^)


34 posted on 08/25/2013 5:21:49 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: LibWhacker

Maybe in about 50 years. April 5, 2063 sounds about right.


35 posted on 08/25/2013 5:23:37 AM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: Lurk-know-more
Easy.... Just install a ‘deflector shield’ on the front of the spacecraft. Accepting Royalties now...

How did I miss that? It should have been obvious. I could have been rich too. Yet another missed opportunity.

36 posted on 08/25/2013 5:31:36 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

Easy.... Just install a ‘deflector shield’ on the front of the spacecraft. Accepting Royalties now...


37 posted on 08/25/2013 6:39:17 AM PDT by Lurk-know-more (The administration is causing the battle lines to be formed. Defend the US Constitution.)
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To: InterceptPoint

That’s OK. They have a USG program for that problem. Never too rich. Keep up the good work.


38 posted on 08/25/2013 6:39:17 AM PDT by Lurk-know-more (The administration is causing the battle lines to be formed. Defend the US Constitution.)
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To: LibWhacker

So we’ll be able to reach out to muslims even faster now?


39 posted on 08/25/2013 6:43:14 AM PDT by Flag_This (Term limits.)
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To: Bikkuri

I thought the Philadelphia Experiment was that old movie starring Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn.


40 posted on 08/25/2013 6:45:31 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: skinkinthegrass; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; ...

Thanks skinkinthegrass.


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41 posted on 08/25/2013 6:46:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Nope, the refill is done during ‘flight’ by tapping the quantum vacuum energy being perturbed by the traversing spacecraft. The aliens have already figured it out dontchaknow.


42 posted on 08/25/2013 9:52:45 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: ModelBreaker

That sounds about right.


43 posted on 08/25/2013 9:53:01 AM PDT by Aetius
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