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New Physics Complications Lend Support to Multiverse Hypothesis
Scientific American ^ | June 1, 2013 | Natalie Wolchover and Simons Science News

Posted on 06/03/2013 5:18:54 PM PDT by BenLurkin

The spectacular discovery of the Higgs boson in July 2012 confirmed a nearly 50-year-old theory of how elementary particles acquire mass, which enables them to form big structures such as galaxies and humans. “The fact that it was seen more or less where we expected to find it is a triumph for experiment, it’s a triumph for theory, and it’s an indication that physics works,” Arkani-Hamed told the crowd.

However, in order for the Higgs boson to make sense with the mass (or equivalent energy) it was determined to have, the LHC needed to find a swarm of other particles, too. None turned up.

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TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: higgsboson; multiverse; physics; science; stringtheory
"Decades of confounding experiments have physicists considering a startling possibility: The universe might not make sense"

I'm glad to hear this because I'm too dumb to understand this stuff anyway.

1 posted on 06/03/2013 5:18:54 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

It is said that in at least one of the Multiverses
the US Congress is NOT an abject treasonous,
selfserving failure, groveling to help
Enemies of the people of the USA.

It is said, but not seen on this planet.


2 posted on 06/03/2013 5:21:43 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: BenLurkin

Their model sure doesn’t make any sense. That is why they keep coming up with nonsense like “Dark Matter.”


3 posted on 06/03/2013 5:22:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BenLurkin

I have to admit in delighting in the paradox that the more we believe we know about the universe the less we understand it.


4 posted on 06/03/2013 5:26:06 PM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: editor-surveyor

Dark matter ?

That’s borderline racist.

“Can’t we all just get along?”


5 posted on 06/03/2013 5:28:10 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: BenLurkin

i question if they really found a higgs boson given the lack of expected particles. there is more than one explanation than it must mean a multiverse.


6 posted on 06/03/2013 5:28:33 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BenLurkin

what i don’t understand is why people listen to these educated stupid people.


7 posted on 06/03/2013 5:29:25 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

God is the explanation. More evidence for God than a multiverse.


8 posted on 06/03/2013 5:35:56 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: BenLurkin

“Yet a few constants — including the mass of the Higgs boson — are exponentially different from what these trusted laws indicate they should be, in ways that would rule out any chance of life, unless the universe is shaped by inexplicable fine-tunings and cancellations.”

And God laughs last.


9 posted on 06/03/2013 5:36:16 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: BenLurkin

One night, I travelled to another universe. All sorts of wild things were happening! Animals were talking! Water was air! Then I realized I was just watching a Spongebob Squarepants cartoon.


10 posted on 06/03/2013 5:37:36 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: BenLurkin

if there are an infinite number of universes then there are an infinite number of answers to any question
or, which would seem about the same thing,
no particular answer to anything?


11 posted on 06/03/2013 5:38:09 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: BenLurkin

When I was growing up, I took a particular interest in nuclear physics. And I majored in it in college, until I changed my mind and went elsewhere.

Frankly, science has gotten so politicized and ideological since then that you can scarcely believe anything you read these days. Global warming, multiverse theory, no one allowed to question evolution in the public schools. . . .


12 posted on 06/03/2013 5:41:25 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Diogenesis

Yep, we just had to get the evil Spock, didn’t we?


13 posted on 06/03/2013 5:43:49 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: BenLurkin

Bookmark.


14 posted on 06/03/2013 5:47:16 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Trey Gowdy......Nuff said.)
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To: dirtboy

I think we got stuck with the evil Spork, Evil Spock has a sense of honor if nothing else.


15 posted on 06/03/2013 5:56:16 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (John Winthrop's "City upon a Hill" just became a midden heap. Infested with rats and other vermin.)
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To: BenLurkin
Decades of confounding experiments have physicists considering a startling possibility: The universe might not make sense

If the universe doesn't make sense, then literally anything is possible because reason (sense) can't rule it out... abracadabra magic, faster than light travel, God Himself. In trying to prove He doesn't exist, science seems to have tied itself into a knot.

16 posted on 06/03/2013 5:59:01 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: BenLurkin

It occurs to me that Higgs Boson would be an excellent name for a car model.


17 posted on 06/03/2013 6:05:05 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: BenLurkin

Now presenting the Multiverse: brought to you by Occam’s two-by-four.


18 posted on 06/03/2013 6:07:18 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: BenLurkin

If there are multiple universes can I click my heels and go to the one where Bozo is still a homosexual mule out of Afghanistan? (I guess I better be careful what I ask for.)


19 posted on 06/03/2013 6:42:24 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: rwilson99

Agree with your #8.

The more I learn and speculate about God, the more likely it is to me that there are indeed multiverses. IMO, multiverses would give meaning and dimension to the concept of infinity.


20 posted on 06/03/2013 6:51:25 PM PDT by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." This from a guy who never had a real job and his family starved.)
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To: BenLurkin
"Decades of confounding experiments have physicists considering a startling possibility: The universe might not make sense"

Or it may make sense. The entire article doesn't advocate either position, but does say that experimental results in the next few years are likely to steer us down one path or the other.

21 posted on 06/03/2013 6:55:38 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: LibWhacker
If the universe doesn't make sense, then literally anything is possible because reason (sense) can't rule it out... abracadabra magic, faster than light travel, God Himself. In trying to prove He doesn't exist, science seems to have tied itself into a knot.

A lot of scientists want to know how God created the universe. The experimental results that point to a multiverse also point to fine tuning.

22 posted on 06/03/2013 7:03:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: BenLurkin
"Decades of confounding experiments have physicists considering a startling possibility: The universe might not make sense"

Hmmm..Universe doesn't seem to be homogeneous...

No homo???

23 posted on 06/03/2013 7:51:41 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: BenLurkin

I love science where there are theories, experiments to test theories, evaluations of the data, and acknowledgements of failures. It all makes science seem real again after having been inundated with trashy climate science.


24 posted on 06/03/2013 8:09:05 PM PDT by pallis
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To: BenLurkin

I don’t recall reading before about naturalness/unnaturalness in the context of cosmology and particle creation. Maybe my memories were cancelled out?


25 posted on 06/03/2013 8:31:57 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: BenLurkin

Actually, the degree to which atheist materialists have embraced “multiverse” theory is quite amusing.

They profess to be empiricists and atheists have, at least traditionally, wielded Occam’s razor against the existence of an unobservable, transcendent deity. Now, in preference to one unobservable entity, they posit a vast, perhaps infinite, array of necessarily unobservable entities (if it can be observed, it’s in our universe, not another one), thereby ceding control of Occam’s razor to us theists.


26 posted on 06/03/2013 8:34:49 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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>> which enables them to form big structures such as galaxies and humans egos.

27 posted on 06/03/2013 8:35:32 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; Beowulf; Bones75; BroJoeK; ...

Thanks BenLurkin.

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28 posted on 06/03/2013 8:39:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: rwilson99

You got that right.


29 posted on 06/03/2013 8:42:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: BenLurkin

Another thought: my favorite Einstein quote (other than “Goedel’s gone completely mad: he’s voting for Eisenhower!”) is “The mathematicians can’t tell me what I need to know,” uttered late in his life when he was trying to replace quantum mechanics with a classical “physically realistic” theory — a hopeless errand we now know thanks to the empirical violation of Bell’s inequalities.

The problem is not that the universe might not make sense, but that physicists are trying continually to hang onto the same mathematical toolbox that worked for classical physics and general relativity, when the best indications are that it doesn’t work to describe anything involving quantum phenomena — in particular, space-time won’t end up being a smooth manifold with a Minkowskian metric because the continuum model breaks down at fine scale. I suspect we mathematicians might now be able to tell them what they need to know, but most physicists aren’t asking.


30 posted on 06/03/2013 8:43:03 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Yehuda
“Ten or 20 years ago, I was a firm believer in naturalness,” said Nathan Seiberg, a theoretical physicist at the Institute, where Einstein taught from 1933 until his death in 1955. “Now I’m not so sure. My hope is there’s still something we haven’t thought about, some other mechanism that would explain all these things. But I don’t see what it could be.”


31 posted on 06/03/2013 9:22:15 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Another thought: my favorite Einstein quote (other than “Goedel’s gone completely mad: he’s voting for Eisenhower!”) is “The mathematicians can’t tell me what I need to know,” uttered late in his life when he was trying to replace quantum mechanics with a classical “physically realistic” theory — a hopeless errand we now know thanks to the empirical violation of Bell’s inequalities.

What gets me is that some of the major founders of quantum mechanics such as Einstein and Schrodinger never accepted it as a final theory, or showed an outright dislike for it.

32 posted on 06/04/2013 5:06:57 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Actually, the degree to which atheist materialists have embraced “multiverse” theory is quite amusing.

The article states that most scientists have resisted the "multiverse" theory. I think we get a biased view of the beliefs of scientists because journalists select scientific opinion that supports their agenda.

33 posted on 06/04/2013 5:12:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Zeneta

Don’t start somethin’, wont be nothin’.

Just sayin’


34 posted on 06/04/2013 5:20:09 AM PDT by SouthWall (If we are having diversity classes, shouldn't we be having unity classes?)
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To: The_Reader_David
I confess that most of what you said goes over my head, but I offer one clueless comment as to this:

we mathematicians might now be able to tell them what they need to know, but most physicists aren’t asking.

It seems this Soft Science guy (an Anthropology major 25 years ago) that once mathematicians have begun to address things cosmological, they have entered into a philosophical practice. Albeit one rendered sublime by the requisite discipline of mathematics.

35 posted on 06/04/2013 6:43:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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