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There were TWO UFO crashes at Roswell, claims former Air Force official who says he was there
DailyMailOnline UK ^ | 6 August 2012 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 08/07/2012 9:25:37 PM PDT by LucyT

Sixty-five years after a UFO allegedly crashed in Roswell, New Mexico, a retired Air Force official has spoken out to say that not only did the shocking incident really happen – but it happened twice. an unusual object fell from the sky and crashed to the ground in Roswell.

Military authorities issued a press release after the shocking incident, saying: ‘The many rumours regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc.’

But, just 24 hours later, the military retracted their earlier statement and claimed the object they had first thought was a 'flying disc' was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch.

The media and the public accepted the explanation without question. Since then, conspiracy theorists and officials such as French have called into question the military's line on the incident.

‘There were actually two crashes at Roswell, which most people don't know,’..."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Society; UFO's
KEYWORDS: eighthairforce; military; mystery; newmexico; roswellarmyairfield
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Roswell, New Mexico sprang to international fame on July 8, 1947, when the local newspaper reported the capture of a 'flying saucer' by government officials in the town.

Over the decades since the discovery, conspiracy theorists have insisted that the debris came from an alien spacecraft, and that the fact was covered up by the military.

1 posted on 08/07/2012 9:25:59 PM PDT by LucyT
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2 posted on 08/07/2012 9:28:55 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT
Having lived in that area... I'm thinking certain aromatic herbs, cactii, or fungal species may have an effect on reports out of the area.

/johnny

3 posted on 08/07/2012 9:30:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: LucyT

It’s too bad the second crash was right on top of the first crashed vehicle, destroying all the evidence of both.


4 posted on 08/07/2012 9:32:03 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: LucyT

"....and I'll use it"

5 posted on 08/07/2012 9:32:19 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: LucyT

Electronic pulse-type weapon? Why was there never any information on this aircraft with the pulse weapon?


6 posted on 08/07/2012 9:38:22 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: LucyT
From November 17, 1947 to December 23, 1947, John Bardeen and Walter Brattain at AT&T's Bell Labs in the United States, performed experiments and observed that when two gold point contacts were applied to a crystal of germanium, a signal was produced with the output power greater than the input. Solid State Physics Group leader William Shockley saw the potential in this, and over the next few months worked to greatly expand the knowledge of semiconductors. Wikipedia®

Of course real silicon transistors and integrated circuits soon followed.

Coinkydink or reverse engineering? /tinfoil

7 posted on 08/07/2012 9:43:36 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: LucyT

I have been to both crash sites, there is a visible long scar on the ground at one.


8 posted on 08/07/2012 9:48:21 PM PDT by razorback-bert (I'm in shape. Round is a shape isn't it?)
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To: this_ol_patriot; LucyT

The Majestic 12?


9 posted on 08/07/2012 9:50:22 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping, Lucy. I think it’s interesting that the Mars Rover vehicle still looks so much like the 1972 Viking space probe pictured at the Daily Mail with the article. In turn they both look a great deal like the “classic” UFO disc-shaped craft that purportedly crashed in Roswell. Just something to think about...

There has always been talk of reverse engineering in regards to the craft recovered at Roswell, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the result is exactly what we saw landing on Mars...


10 posted on 08/07/2012 9:52:41 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: LucyT

This idiot is delusional. Whatever else may be true there were NO particle beam or directed energy weapons in 1947.


11 posted on 08/07/2012 9:55:14 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: LucyT

Interesting.


12 posted on 08/07/2012 10:02:23 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: LucyT

13 posted on 08/07/2012 10:02:45 PM PDT by Brandonmark (2012: Our Hope IS Change!)
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To: LucyT
Roswell, New Mexico sprang to international fame on July 8, 1947...

And by the end of 1947 Bell Labs had successfully developed the groundwork for the key active component in practically all modern electronics: the transistor. The rest, of course, is history. That was some quick reverse engineering right there!

14 posted on 08/07/2012 10:05:13 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: LucyT

15 posted on 08/07/2012 10:08:37 PM PDT by azishot
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To: Nifster

I am not confirming or denying the guy’s claims, but I can say this for sure:

If you can build a magnetron, you can build a directed energy weapon, and we were building them at that time.

It doesn’t even take anything as advanced as a klystron or magnetron to generate an EMP pulse, nor a nuclear reaction. A spark gap with a hefty capacitor bank, focused using a waveguide, and you have yourself a very simple directed energy weapon capable of disrupting modern unshielded microelectronics.

To deny that fact would be to discount the work of many great WW2 era scientists and engineers, not to mention just totally disregard most practical applications of high powered RF fields.

I am a middle aged engineer in the semiconductor industry, and I can guarantee you that the technology existed at the time to be able to disrupt what we consider contemporary microelectronics.

I would lean on the side of this not happening the way the guy said though, based on the fact that any sufficiently advanced alien technology base would have proper shielding in place to protect against such directed energy (and I don’t mean star trek/wars shields here, just faraday cages, and lead or foil shielding from cosmic ray particles). You couldn’t fly through space without it.


16 posted on 08/07/2012 10:10:15 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Aqua225

His claim was that the UFO was fired upon by a beam weapon from a plane....moreover there were no beam weapons at that time. Just because one has components does not a weapon make. I am older than you by twenty years (if you are middle aged). The things I have worked on (and continue to work on) have all been of the SDI variety. Klystrons do not a laser make. Magnetrons do not a directed energy weapon make. It is nice that you do semiconductors...all that equipment that you use to produce the devices is years in the making. The truth is knowing the fundamentals is NOT the same as producing a weapon.


17 posted on 08/07/2012 10:15:14 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: LucyT

I will believe in ET when he lands in public view and makes contact with humans.
So far, EVERY report of ET has been anecdotal, with zero proof.
Despite all the garbage reported on Kook to Kook, it is hard to believe that any ET life has been here from other star systems that are many light years away.
Just my opinion, and no offense to FReeper ET fans.


18 posted on 08/07/2012 10:17:02 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: LucyT

Joseph P. Farrell is of the opinion that the Roswell Crash in 1947 was a downed Nazi anti-gravity aircraft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLOiyGoQtUA


19 posted on 08/07/2012 10:19:17 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: LucyT

So French, who was no where near Roswell in ‘47, ‘knows’ that there were, not just one, but two crashes near Roswell. And how does he know this? Because some unnamed friend told him that he shot one of them down with a directed energy weapom mounted in an experimental aircraft.

Well no wonder the USAF never took the UFO’s seriously as a threat! Clearly we didn’t need to reverse engineer any tech from them; ours was already superior! /s


20 posted on 08/07/2012 10:21:55 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: Aqua225

EMP/HERF/Shock Pulse Generators
http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm


21 posted on 08/07/2012 10:24:05 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: LucyT

Speaking of Roswell, where the heck is Quix lately?


22 posted on 08/07/2012 10:24:05 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: Nifster

You must not work on the “good stuff” then. (good stuff being the interesting directed energy type stuff -— I do digital).

All the theory and even practice were already available in the late-30’s. And yes, you can make a directed energy weapon with a klystron or magnetron.

Not sure why you’d claim otherwise.

But I don’t doubt that a lot of groundwork has been laid for semiconductors, wasn’t doubting it all, not sure why you put that out there, unless it was to educate others on this thread? Don’t really care... I know semiconductor processes have been a evolutionary progression from those early days in Bell Labs. If we had alien technology, I’d expect we’d be much further along by now. I want my atocirc!

But my point still stands, you can build a microelectronics disrupting beam weapon with 40’s electronics, the theory and the practice was out there. The guy didn’t claim the US Army shot it out of the air with a laser. Read the article, he claims EMP. The weapon itself was very doable and was more than theory in the 40’s.

And remember, we had atomic shots at that point, and knew about severe EMP as well and its after effects, to some extent.

Finally, if you are working on the interesting stuff of SDI type devices, I sure hope you aren’t hoping for temporary disruption of CPUs. We can work around that in software, no problem. Disruption should be terminal for the devices involved if my taxpayer money is being thrown at the problem.


23 posted on 08/07/2012 10:28:04 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: LucyT; JRandomFreeper; Quix; WildHighlander57; netmilsmom; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; ...
.... aromatic herbs, cactii, or fungal species may have an effect on reports out of the area.

Col. French's Super Saber might have also had an ongoing oxygen system malfunction. Could explain his having "Senior Moments."

To be completely honest with you*, I was on duty when that 2d UFO landed in Hawaii in 1961, dropping off Baby Barack. Any documentation was burned up when it transited our atmosphere.

I just loves that phrase!

24 posted on 08/07/2012 10:29:37 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Do not listen to Conservative Talk Radio ... until they talk to Sheriff Joe.)
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To: LucyT

wasnt that just about the time that a certain occupant of the White House claims to have been hatched, er... born... somewhere ....or other?????


25 posted on 08/07/2012 10:30:14 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: LucyT

Why they’re here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz7sBTHtcLU


26 posted on 08/07/2012 10:31:05 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Aqua225

And to reply to my own reply, I wasn’t implying that I work on interesting weapons technology, just saying I work on digital electronics, all public sector stuff, manufactured in china. Joy!


27 posted on 08/07/2012 10:31:14 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: LucyT

Maybe he’s hiding his birth certificate because it is written in Ferengi?


28 posted on 08/07/2012 10:31:39 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: bonfire

Got himself zotted.


29 posted on 08/07/2012 10:35:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: bonfire

“Speaking of Roswell, where the heck is Quix lately?”
_____________________________________________

I always think of him when there is an ET thread.
I would always add “quick, call Quix”.

Was he really zotted?


30 posted on 08/07/2012 10:40:37 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Red Steel

Permanently? I always enjoyed his enthusiasm, controversial posts and his love of the Lord. Wow. Things have sure changed around here. :(


31 posted on 08/07/2012 10:41:33 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: AlexW

Ditto, Alex. A Roswell thread w/o Quix is unthinkable!


32 posted on 08/07/2012 10:43:15 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: LucyT

Ever looked at Roswell on Google earth?


33 posted on 08/07/2012 10:45:29 PM PDT by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: LucyT
Perhaps the UFOs that crashed were two of Nazi Germany's Horton 229 stealth fighters:

Without the aid of computer flight stabilization technology, they were hard to fly.

The funny space alien stories were a hoax to keep the Soviets diverted from the true nature of the technology we snuck out of Germany after the war.

Today's stealth aircraft are a direct beneficiary to that German technology.

34 posted on 08/07/2012 10:48:44 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: LucyT

This thread requires the mandatory pic of the very tan-big hair UFO dude.


35 posted on 08/07/2012 10:49:07 PM PDT by Lockbar (I promise to move fire-wood twice a day.)
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To: LibertyRocks

The shape of the Viking & Curiosity entry configurations has everything to do with aerodynamics and nothing to do with anything allegedly learned from any alien spacecraft allegedly recovered at Roswell.


36 posted on 08/07/2012 10:51:30 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: LucyT

Dementia can be ugly.


37 posted on 08/07/2012 10:52:17 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: VietVet

I bet it’s the same guy that told Harry Reid Romney didn’t pay taxes for ten years.


38 posted on 08/07/2012 10:54:56 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: Campion

Presumably any alien-originated UFO would need to have the same type of aerodynamics to permeate our atmosphere as well, wouldn’t it?

I was just saying that it was interesting... Heck, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Roswell crash was some kind of a military test craft if the truth was ever really known.


39 posted on 08/07/2012 11:09:52 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
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40 posted on 08/07/2012 11:31:43 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: bonfire

I don’t know if it is permanent.


41 posted on 08/07/2012 11:33:25 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: LucyT

Can't have a UFO thread without this gentleman...

Stanton Friedman said that there were two all along, and it was supposedly a new powerful radar being tested that brought down the little grey men.

42 posted on 08/08/2012 1:23:41 AM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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Thanks for the Ping.

"But, just 24 hours later, the military retracted their earlier statement and claimed the object they had first thought was a 'flying disc' was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch."

That's because the "UFO" debris found actually was the remnant of a crashed device called a "corner reflector" that was being used to detect, at long-range, Soviet nuclear blasts, and that project was probably secret enough to warrant intervention, story-wise on the part of the government.

I used to do electronics warfare for a living, and am quite confident the wreckage shown in this photo

is easily identified as most likely what's left of such a construct.

Here's a picture of one that's intact:

They are used to capture and focus faint radio signals into a stronger signal. In order to carry one aloft that was large enough to be very sensitive and yet light enough to be borne there by a weather balloon, it needed to be constructed out of light materials, like say aluminum foil or mylar hung on a balsam wood frame, which appears to be the very thing shown in the first photo.

*****************************************************************************

I read the thread where Quix got the Zot. Seemed pretty permanent to me at the time. I believe there was an Opus involved and everything.

43 posted on 08/08/2012 1:31:36 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If America were a car, the "Check President" light would be on.)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

I read the thread where Quix got the Zot. Seemed pretty permanent to me at the time. I believe there was an Opus involved and everything.


Opus here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2902837/posts


44 posted on 08/08/2012 2:03:18 AM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: AlexW

That perfectly states how I feel too. Thank you for writing it.


45 posted on 08/08/2012 2:27:41 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (government health officials seem to have the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.)
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To: LucyT; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; aragorn; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...
Pinging the unidentified aerial phenomena list (ufo) ..

May 8, 1950-This is one of the most famous UFO pictures ever taken.
Photographed by Paul Trent, and first witnessed by his wife.
They were published in a local newspaper in McMinnville, Oregon.
Shortly thereafter, the Trent photos were published in Life magazine edition of June 26, 1950.
The rest is history.
(NOTE: These photos have been deemed authentic for over 50 years.
The analysis of the McMinnville photos by Dr.Bruce Maccabee PhD, can be found at
http://brumac.8k.com/trent1.html )

Those interested in the uap/ufo ping list, please Freepmail
LasVegasDave (freepmail works best)
if you would like your name added to the list.
( Approximately 200+ freepers are currently on the ping list ).

46 posted on 08/08/2012 2:34:12 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (".....All 57 states must stand together and defeat usurper O-bozo!.....")
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To: OwenKellogg
Yep, that's the one. The "Quix's Latest Opus Installment" would seem at first blush to suggest the remote possibility of a return, but the fact that the thread was started by The Man Himself and referenced the FLeebagger site tells me

that well, let's just say it doesn't look good at all.

47 posted on 08/08/2012 3:05:35 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If America were a car, the "Check President" light would be on.)
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To: Nifster

This idiot is delusional. Whatever else may be true there were NO particle beam or directed energy weapons in 1947.


This is the same era, (WWII and post WWII), that the story of the “Philadelphia Experiment” came out of. I think it was the destroyer escort Eldrige (sp) was the vessel. In any case the government was spending a lot of money on “kooky” ideas, like the Atomic Bomb.


48 posted on 08/08/2012 3:09:23 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Nifster

That’s only until you add the dilithium crystals.


49 posted on 08/08/2012 3:46:57 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama Kills))
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To: Aqua225
You couldn’t fly through space without it.

I don't think the classic saucers fly through interstellar space. They're more like scout shuttles to and from the mother ships like the ginormous ones over Hudson Valley, Phoenix and Stephenville.

50 posted on 08/08/2012 4:01:56 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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