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Posted on 08/07/2012 9:25:37 PM PDT by LucyT
Over the decades since the discovery, conspiracy theorists have insisted that the debris came from an alien spacecraft, and that the fact was covered up by the military.
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/johnny
It’s too bad the second crash was right on top of the first crashed vehicle, destroying all the evidence of both.
"....and I'll use it"
Electronic pulse-type weapon? Why was there never any information on this aircraft with the pulse weapon?
Of course real silicon transistors and integrated circuits soon followed.
Coinkydink or reverse engineering? /tinfoil
I have been to both crash sites, there is a visible long scar on the ground at one.
The Majestic 12?
Thanks for the ping, Lucy. I think it’s interesting that the Mars Rover vehicle still looks so much like the 1972 Viking space probe pictured at the Daily Mail with the article. In turn they both look a great deal like the “classic” UFO disc-shaped craft that purportedly crashed in Roswell. Just something to think about...
There has always been talk of reverse engineering in regards to the craft recovered at Roswell, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the result is exactly what we saw landing on Mars...
This idiot is delusional. Whatever else may be true there were NO particle beam or directed energy weapons in 1947.
Interesting.
And by the end of 1947 Bell Labs had successfully developed the groundwork for the key active component in practically all modern electronics: the transistor. The rest, of course, is history. That was some quick reverse engineering right there!
I am not confirming or denying the guy’s claims, but I can say this for sure:
If you can build a magnetron, you can build a directed energy weapon, and we were building them at that time.
It doesn’t even take anything as advanced as a klystron or magnetron to generate an EMP pulse, nor a nuclear reaction. A spark gap with a hefty capacitor bank, focused using a waveguide, and you have yourself a very simple directed energy weapon capable of disrupting modern unshielded microelectronics.
To deny that fact would be to discount the work of many great WW2 era scientists and engineers, not to mention just totally disregard most practical applications of high powered RF fields.
I am a middle aged engineer in the semiconductor industry, and I can guarantee you that the technology existed at the time to be able to disrupt what we consider contemporary microelectronics.
I would lean on the side of this not happening the way the guy said though, based on the fact that any sufficiently advanced alien technology base would have proper shielding in place to protect against such directed energy (and I don’t mean star trek/wars shields here, just faraday cages, and lead or foil shielding from cosmic ray particles). You couldn’t fly through space without it.
His claim was that the UFO was fired upon by a beam weapon from a plane....moreover there were no beam weapons at that time. Just because one has components does not a weapon make. I am older than you by twenty years (if you are middle aged). The things I have worked on (and continue to work on) have all been of the SDI variety. Klystrons do not a laser make. Magnetrons do not a directed energy weapon make. It is nice that you do semiconductors...all that equipment that you use to produce the devices is years in the making. The truth is knowing the fundamentals is NOT the same as producing a weapon.
I will believe in ET when he lands in public view and makes contact with humans.
So far, EVERY report of ET has been anecdotal, with zero proof.
Despite all the garbage reported on Kook to Kook, it is hard to believe that any ET life has been here from other star systems that are many light years away.
Just my opinion, and no offense to FReeper ET fans.
Joseph P. Farrell is of the opinion that the Roswell Crash in 1947 was a downed Nazi anti-gravity aircraft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLOiyGoQtUA
So French, who was no where near Roswell in ‘47, ‘knows’ that there were, not just one, but two crashes near Roswell. And how does he know this? Because some unnamed friend told him that he shot one of them down with a directed energy weapom mounted in an experimental aircraft.
Well no wonder the USAF never took the UFO’s seriously as a threat! Clearly we didn’t need to reverse engineer any tech from them; ours was already superior! /s
EMP/HERF/Shock Pulse Generators
http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm
Speaking of Roswell, where the heck is Quix lately?
You must not work on the “good stuff” then. (good stuff being the interesting directed energy type stuff -— I do digital).
All the theory and even practice were already available in the late-30’s. And yes, you can make a directed energy weapon with a klystron or magnetron.
Not sure why you’d claim otherwise.
But I don’t doubt that a lot of groundwork has been laid for semiconductors, wasn’t doubting it all, not sure why you put that out there, unless it was to educate others on this thread? Don’t really care... I know semiconductor processes have been a evolutionary progression from those early days in Bell Labs. If we had alien technology, I’d expect we’d be much further along by now. I want my atocirc!
But my point still stands, you can build a microelectronics disrupting beam weapon with 40’s electronics, the theory and the practice was out there. The guy didn’t claim the US Army shot it out of the air with a laser. Read the article, he claims EMP. The weapon itself was very doable and was more than theory in the 40’s.
And remember, we had atomic shots at that point, and knew about severe EMP as well and its after effects, to some extent.
Finally, if you are working on the interesting stuff of SDI type devices, I sure hope you aren’t hoping for temporary disruption of CPUs. We can work around that in software, no problem. Disruption should be terminal for the devices involved if my taxpayer money is being thrown at the problem.
Col. French's Super Saber might have also had an ongoing oxygen system malfunction. Could explain his having "Senior Moments."
To be completely honest with you*, I was on duty when that 2d UFO landed in Hawaii in 1961, dropping off Baby Barack. Any documentation was burned up when it transited our atmosphere.
I just loves that phrase!
wasnt that just about the time that a certain occupant of the White House claims to have been hatched, er... born... somewhere ....or other?????
And to reply to my own reply, I wasn’t implying that I work on interesting weapons technology, just saying I work on digital electronics, all public sector stuff, manufactured in china. Joy!
Maybe he’s hiding his birth certificate because it is written in Ferengi?
Got himself zotted.
“Speaking of Roswell, where the heck is Quix lately?”
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I always think of him when there is an ET thread.
I would always add “quick, call Quix”.
Was he really zotted?
Permanently? I always enjoyed his enthusiasm, controversial posts and his love of the Lord. Wow. Things have sure changed around here. :(
Ditto, Alex. A Roswell thread w/o Quix is unthinkable!
Ever looked at Roswell on Google earth?
Without the aid of computer flight stabilization technology, they were hard to fly.
The funny space alien stories were a hoax to keep the Soviets diverted from the true nature of the technology we snuck out of Germany after the war.
Today's stealth aircraft are a direct beneficiary to that German technology.
This thread requires the mandatory pic of the very tan-big hair UFO dude.
The shape of the Viking & Curiosity entry configurations has everything to do with aerodynamics and nothing to do with anything allegedly learned from any alien spacecraft allegedly recovered at Roswell.
Dementia can be ugly.
I bet it’s the same guy that told Harry Reid Romney didn’t pay taxes for ten years.
Presumably any alien-originated UFO would need to have the same type of aerodynamics to permeate our atmosphere as well, wouldn’t it?
I was just saying that it was interesting... Heck, it wouldn’t surprise me if the Roswell crash was some kind of a military test craft if the truth was ever really known.
I don’t know if it is permanent.
Stanton Friedman said that there were two all along, and it was supposedly a new powerful radar being tested that brought down the little grey men.
"But, just 24 hours later, the military retracted their earlier statement and claimed the object they had first thought was a 'flying disc' was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch."
That's because the "UFO" debris found actually was the remnant of a crashed device called a "corner reflector" that was being used to detect, at long-range, Soviet nuclear blasts, and that project was probably secret enough to warrant intervention, story-wise on the part of the government.
I used to do electronics warfare for a living, and am quite confident the wreckage shown in this photo
is easily identified as most likely what's left of such a construct.
Here's a picture of one that's intact:
They are used to capture and focus faint radio signals into a stronger signal. In order to carry one aloft that was large enough to be very sensitive and yet light enough to be borne there by a weather balloon, it needed to be constructed out of light materials, like say aluminum foil or mylar hung on a balsam wood frame, which appears to be the very thing shown in the first photo.
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I read the thread where Quix got the Zot. Seemed pretty permanent to me at the time. I believe there was an Opus involved and everything.
I read the thread where Quix got the Zot. Seemed pretty permanent to me at the time. I believe there was an Opus involved and everything.
Opus here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2902837/posts
That perfectly states how I feel too. Thank you for writing it.
that well, let's just say it doesn't look good at all.
This idiot is delusional. Whatever else may be true there were NO particle beam or directed energy weapons in 1947.
This is the same era, (WWII and post WWII), that the story of the “Philadelphia Experiment” came out of. I think it was the destroyer escort Eldrige (sp) was the vessel. In any case the government was spending a lot of money on “kooky” ideas, like the Atomic Bomb.
That’s only until you add the dilithium crystals.
I don't think the classic saucers fly through interstellar space. They're more like scout shuttles to and from the mother ships like the ginormous ones over Hudson Valley, Phoenix and Stephenville.
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