Posted on 11/27/2011 10:14:09 PM PST by Slings and Arrows
A Long Island man was stunned to find out that his 4-year-old twins weren’t an accidental pregnancy at all — his desperate girlfriend secretly stashed away his sperm and used it for an in-vitro procedure, he charges in a lawsuit.
Elmont resident Joseph Pressil, 36, wasn’t planning on having children with Anetria Burnett, with whom he was in a relationship for six months in 2007, he said.
So she took matters into her own hands, he told The Post, in order to remain in his Texas house and make a legal bid for half of his possessions.
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The real bombshell dropped last February, when Pressil got a strange receipt in the mail for sperm cryopreservation.
Confused, he called the company that had sent him the paperwork, which referred him to the Advanced Fertility Center of Texas, where a manager asked him to sign a release form.
That’s when he said he uncovered the bizarre plot.
“She was taking [the semen in condoms] after the fact and running down to the clinic with it,” said Jason Gibson, who is representing Pressil in his suit. He now has joint custody.
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Now that's a money quote! Everything entailed in pursuing that good time is permitted, if not obligatory.
It didn’t. But it was such a juicy topic that some couldn’t seem to resist. If I’ve fed salaciousness, I’m sorry. It might fall under the general rubric of the meaning of the marriage vow, as sex outside marriage is an attempt to simulate a piece of what is supposed to happen inside that vow, outside the vow (and can lead to some flummoxing, Solomonic wisdom testing situations like the lead story).
(snicker)
You shoot, you lose.
You guys need to keep your pants zipped. Every possibly fertile woman you shoot is a potential mother to be.
I tell the young men I know, no sex until you know you want the woman to be your children’s mother. Then marry her before aiming.
How do you say no sex to a woman you are dating, who wants to have sex with you? For six months? Seriously.
Using condoms is 100% clear the guy does not want children. Come on. Keeping it in the pants is not going to keep the woman dating you and all of you know it. Just try rejecting your girlfriends’ advances for 6 months if she wants sex. See if you have her as a girlfriend saying “no” all that time.
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Poor peckerwood.
Try dating women who you would want to have your children, not, in this case, an exotic dancer, whose enitre focus is sex....and support.
No, keeping it dry isnt about basement living.
It has been the moral code in Western Civ for nearly 2000 years. Did it always work, no.
Did it mostly work? yes.
Keep it buttoned guy.
Women have all the power in deciding whether to have children these days. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard this tale — women going behind a guy’s back and circumventing whatever birth control method is used to trap him into either marriage or at least child support.
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I hate to break it to you but guys have the power here. You have a choice to play or not. You are the shooter and can choose not.
Grow up and take some responsibility here. If you dont want to end up with babies with women you cant bring home to mom, keep it buttoned.
Here’s the best I can do within the little space allotted for tags (Jim Rob, why can’t the tag be large enough for a full opus?)
I’m actually a “biblical libertarian.” I don’t think the law of a sane country needs to be all cobbled up with myriads of nonscriptural feelgood things. I believe that items that can be used dangerously needn’t necessarily be banned of themselves. But I’m old fashioned on things like sex and the value of human life.
Concur. It parallels the sentiment of one of America’s founders that “if we don’t hang together, then we are doomed to hang separately.” (Too lazy to Google the source right now.) Family dysfunction hurts with a hey nonny nonny that dwarfs lesser dysfunctions. Family love isn’t just a nice feeling, it also helps keep people cooperating and finding ways to cooperate, and keeps competition within honorable bounds.
You’re as bad as a liberal justifying crazy womens’ behavior. Like the guy is the evil person here and the woman’s the entitled victim. Gimme a break.
I never said one should expect this behavior. You are putting words in my mouth.
To say I am unreasonable simply because I suggest that people should exhibit self restraint means you must adhere to the "everyone does it, we can't control ourselves" mentality that is closer to the liberal philosophy than my philosophy of self control and responsibility.
But, the intentional result she created is the same as if the condom broke. There is a reason they can't put 100% effective on the box. And I speak from experience; my first wife got pregnant while on birth control and we had an "unexpected blessing".
So, again, the only 100% way to prevent the situation of having a child with someone you did not want to is to abstain from sex with that person. Anything else, you are simply lowering the chances and giving yourself a false sense of security.
And the moral issue of sex outside of marriage is partially based on this very prospect - the chance of procreation and the commitment required for raising that child. Therefore, you should only be having sex with someone you have a committed, trust-based relationship with.
What cultures were these ?
You clearly don’t get what I meant by “expect”. It had nothing to do with you. It wasn’t an active term describing you. Read it a little more carefully.
In a sinless world I’d agree people would have perfect control. Jesus would also not have had to die for us either. I’d have rather nobody ever sinned and we all could live perfectly. But that isn’t the world we’re in.
I’d prefer people not to have sex outside of marriage as well. But there are differences in consequences to bad actions. When people are irresponsible it’s hard to feel bad for them. If you are going to have sex and don’t want kids, there are things you can do to be responsible and take precautions to prevent pregnancy.
To say this guy deserved this is just wrong.
What about the woman exercising self-control? You don’t even mention her. She’s a freaking wack nutjob for what she did. Where’s your equal or greater condemnation for what she did?
And to simplify things saying the end result in both cases is rdiculous and myopic because by stating that you’re saying the “how it happened” is meaningless, and you could not be more wrong. One person hasn’t pre-meditated to deliberately circumvent protective measures clearly against the will of the other person.
The guy never had a chance because he was not dealing with the woman honestly. If she had come out and said “I know you don’t want kids but I’m going to take the condoms and take them to a sperm lab so I can impregnate myself”, do you really think the guy would have still had sex with her and let her take the condoms? I know all the guys I know would have said “no sex”. When one party deliberately misleads the other party, it’s called fraud. She mislead him into believing she was okay with him using protection ,maybe even lied and said she wanted him to.
I agree it’d be better to wait until marriage but this was a setup. She is a far, far worse person than this guy was. They are both equally to blame for the sex, but she is a much worse person for doing the additional things she did and should not profit one dime for her conniving scheming.
Do you think specific permission in a relationship is necessary, or is a general permission enough to cover anything one partner wants and the other doesn’t ?
I ask, because you posted that “men should be held responsible for the children they sire”. This article is a case of the man decisively denying permission to have children with this woman, yet she went to bizarre lengths to circumvent their agreed form of birth control to have his kids. She saved sperm from used condoms, took them to a fertility clinic, and had children without his involvement and against his express wishes. I would say he should have no more responsibility for these kids than any anonymous sperm donor. Less, in fact, since a donor did give permission for someone to use his sperm while this guy gave nobody permission to use his.
“Am I missing something?”
Wow. Yes, you are missing something. Marrying a woman doesn’t make her your property. “No!” still means “No!”
Both men and women can choose not to have sex. That wasn’t what I stated. I said women have all the power is deciding whether to have CHILDREN.
Can women have heterosexual sex without unintentionally producing a child ? Yes. There is no way for a duplicitous man to force a woman to have his child.
Can men ? No. A duplicitous woman like the one in the article CAN force a man to have her child.
Did you even read the article ?
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