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Conquistador Was Deep in U.S.: "Stunning" Jewelry Find Redraws Route?
National Geographic ^ | 11-1-2011 | Ker Than

Posted on 11/04/2011 4:45:15 AM PDT by Renfield

Under a former Native American village in Georgia, deep inside what's now the U.S., archaeologists say they've found 16th-century jewelry and other Spanish artifacts.

The discovery suggests an expedition led by conquistador Hernando de Soto ventured far off its presumed course—which took the men from Florida to Missouri—and engaged in ceremonies in a thatched, pyramid-like temple.

The discovery could redraw the map of de Soto's 1539-41 march into North America, where he hoped to replicate Spain's overthrow of the Inca Empire in South America. There, the conquistador had served at the side of leader Francisco Pizarro...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalgeographic.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: 1540; amerindians; carlossantana; desoto; fernbank; georgia; godsgravesglyphs; hernandodesoto; jacksonville; mauvilla; procolharum; telfaircounty
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"The Spaniards often treated the Natives very badly, and when the local people did not accede to their demands, de Soto would usually take the local leader hostage until he got his way," said Jeffrey Mitchem, a de Soto scholar with the Arkansas Archeological Survey, who was not involved in the discoveries.

"Usually their demands for food and young women wore out their welcome very quickly," Mitchem said, "so the natives were almost always trying to make them leave as rapidly as possible."

1 posted on 11/04/2011 4:45:18 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Conquistador ping.


2 posted on 11/04/2011 4:45:59 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

“”For an Indian in the South 500 years ago, things like glass beads and iron tools might as well have been iPhones,” said project leader Dennis Blanton, an independent archaeologist who until recently was Fernbank’s staff archaeologist.”

The PC police will be all over him.


3 posted on 11/04/2011 4:52:25 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: Renfield
Ischisi "Indians" watching DeSota crossing Georgia's Ocmulgee River.

4 posted on 11/04/2011 4:53:49 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: Renfield
Conquistador Was Deep in U.S.: "Stunning" Jewelry Find Redraws Route?

Geez, haven't these guys read Naufragios y Commentarios by Alvar Nunez Cabeza de Vaca?
5 posted on 11/04/2011 4:55:54 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Renfield
Why does it have to have been from a gift exchange? Why couldn't the stash have been booty?
6 posted on 11/04/2011 4:59:02 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: Renfield

where is this site located?


7 posted on 11/04/2011 4:59:31 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: Renfield
Good find. The Ayllon colonial thrust involved a peculiar situation ~ right off the bat they lost half the ships, horses, cows, pigs, chickens and men ~ they immediately went deep inland.

When you read about the event and try to match this body of Spaniards up against Midwestern or Tennessee Valley sites/events you can see there was a possibility they could have simply gone due West, past the Southernmost point of the Appalachians, and then gone North to the Ohio (then believed to be the upper Mississippi), crossed over and founded some sort of "La Villa Real" in a defensible area in Southern Indiana or Ohio.

Take a good look at Laurel Indiana some time ~ There's a Spanish town layout in the core. It's up on the Indiana escarpment, and has access to the Whitewater river (which takes you to the Ohio) and to the Miami river a few miles further which also takes you to the Ohio.

This place was abandoned when the first English settlers came to the area, and stayed abandoned until the 1830s or so.

I suspect there's a map somewhere with all these places the Spaniards settled at marked.

The Ayllon colony could very well have gotten to this area ahead of the great drought of of the 1560 to 1600 period ~ and prospered in some manner. They would have been equipped with tools and knowledge to build grist mills and distilleries. Alcohol could get you a lot of furs and gold.

Remember, there were NO FRENCH in this region until AFTER 1604 and they seem to have not had any maps. All their riverine expeditions were NEW STUFF to them. When De Soto came in 1541 he had information about where he wanted to go ~ there were sources that could have been in place for two decades!

8 posted on 11/04/2011 5:01:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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“Why does it have to have been from a gift exchange? Why couldn’t the stash have been booty?”

Because Leftist dogma is that the Indians were wonderful, egalitarian, utopian, and treated their women as equals. To call it booty would mean they attacked the Spanish and took it, or snuck in and stole it.

I was in a mesa-covered Arizona park. The Indians had built their village on top of the biggest mesa and the path to the top was anywhere from a few inches wide to a foot wide. It could have been defended by elderly people dropping stones. Every drop of water and grain of food had to be brought up this awesomely dangerous path. There, beside the mesa, was a huge bronze plaque stating; “Obviously, the Indians built their village on top of this mesa because of the specular view it affords.” Really!? How many Indians died lugging firewood, water and food up there so they could enjoy the view?

My conclusion is that Leftists who study Indians are idiots.


9 posted on 11/04/2011 5:34:30 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

I can vouch for the lefty part from personal experience.


10 posted on 11/04/2011 5:43:03 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: muawiyah

There is a lot of new stuff being written about the early Americas. Charles Mann’s “1491” and “1493” are two recent examples.


11 posted on 11/04/2011 5:49:06 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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..bronze plaque stating; “Obviously, the Indians built their village on top of this mesa because of the specular view it affords.”

LOL!!

IIRc there is a roadside plaque in Western NC, near Dillsboro/Sylva stating DeSoto passed that way. Don't know how that was determined.

12 posted on 11/04/2011 5:58:16 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Gen.Blather

LOL! Great post. We love seeing the Indian ruins throughout Arizona - they are an archeologist’s dream.


13 posted on 11/04/2011 6:03:38 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Renfield

:: Conquistador ping. ::

Please note that your stallion stands in need of company.


14 posted on 11/04/2011 6:13:10 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: aruanan

I remember seeing roadside markers in north Georgia noting that de Vaca had passed through the area. That was 50 years ago.


15 posted on 11/04/2011 6:14:41 AM PDT by stboz
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

About time there was a Procol Harum reference.


16 posted on 11/04/2011 6:17:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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“Many of the specific types of artifacts that have been found at [Glass Site] are the same types recovered from other sites that were contacted by the Hernando de Soto expedition,”

Deserters? Pissibly. But, I guess researchers and the author didn't consider that the Indians killed the explorers elsewhere and stole this stuff...then bringing it to the excavation site.

17 posted on 11/04/2011 6:18:04 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: dfwgator

or Neil


18 posted on 11/04/2011 6:25:20 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

I see your armor plated breast has long since lost its sheen.


19 posted on 11/04/2011 6:27:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Renfield
I had a`57 red n` white De Soto Bomb;

never made it to Georgia,-it was a jewel-

used to drag race it

on the straightaways-
It could fly!

20 posted on 11/04/2011 7:06:56 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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