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Three Russian Glonass satellites crash into Pacific Ocean, no severe damage to navigation system...
Xinhuanet ^ | 2010-12-05 22:54:26 | Editor: Mu Xuequan

Posted on 12/05/2010 10:49:06 AM PST by Pan_Yan

MOSCOW, Dec. 5 (Xinhua) -- Three Russian satellites launched earlier Sunday have crashed into the Pacific Ocean off Hawaii Islands after falling off course, RIA news agency reported.

Russia's space agency Roscosmos is not available for confirmation at present.

According to the latest information gained by RIA Novosti, the upper stage of the Proton-M rocket carrier and three Glonass-M navigation satellites have fallen into the sea area 1500 km northwest of Honolulu, causing no casualties nor damages.

Interfax said in a latest report the crash might be caused by stronger propulsive force of the Proton-M rocket, which deviated from its planned course to eight degrees.

"The rocket's engine gave a much bigger impetus than planned, and the orbiting unit separated at an altitude much higher than the designated one," the source was quoted as saying.

The crash, though unconfirmed, may not produce severe damage to its Glonass navigation system and the 26 satellites currently in orbit and their spare satellites are capable of securing the signals to cover the Russian territory, the report said, quoting an official from the Defense Ministry.

A special committee was already set up to investigate the case, Interfax reported.

The Proton-M rocket blasted off from Kazakh Baikonur space center with three Glonass-M satellites atop at 01:25 p.m. Moscow time (1125 GMT) Sunday. The satellites were expected to be put into orbit at about 04:27 p.m. Moscow time (1427 GMT) and thus to complete the formation of the Russian Glonass satellites constellation.

The Sunday launch was the 11th Proton launch this year. The previous ten launches, including two that positioned Glonass navigation satellites, were successful.

Glonass is the Russian equivalent of the U.S. Global Positioning System (GPS), which is designed for both military and civilian use.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: gps; russia; satellites; space

DM-3 booster with 3 Glonass-M satellites falls into Pacific
© RIA Novosti. Oleg Urusov

1 posted on 12/05/2010 10:49:10 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

“Glonass is the Russian equivalent of the U.S. Global Positioning System (GPS), which is designed for both military and civilian use.”

Equivalent? In intent- maybe yes. In reality - No.


2 posted on 12/05/2010 10:56:28 AM PST by JBR34
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To: Pan_Yan
The rocket's engine gave a much bigger impetus than planned

After 50 years of rocket science/engineering, why do I just not believe that? It's hard to build a rocket with enough boost, how would anybody accidentally build one with too much boost?

Or is this a controllable engine that simply blew out it's fuel way too early? Who's a rocket scientist around here?

3 posted on 12/05/2010 11:04:03 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Hey - where are we?

At the bottom of the damn pacific ocean!


4 posted on 12/05/2010 11:10:03 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

LOL!


5 posted on 12/05/2010 11:10:47 AM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Causing no damage?

The damage is to 3 satellites. Probably a very expensive failure.


6 posted on 12/05/2010 11:18:50 AM PST by GeronL
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To: slowhandluke

We used to have a really cool rocket scientist around here but he somehow found enemies and it wasn’t worth it.


7 posted on 12/05/2010 11:20:23 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Pan_Yan; KevinDavis

bump


8 posted on 12/05/2010 11:21:05 AM PST by GeronL
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To: Pan_Yan

Anyone know the payload per satellite?


9 posted on 12/05/2010 11:36:53 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Pan_Yan

Were their names “Moe’’,’’ Larry’’& “Curly’’?


10 posted on 12/05/2010 11:43:24 AM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: slowhandluke

“Boost” is measured in seconds and is called impulse. Basicaly it is a measure of the amount of thrust and fuel to time consumption. A low thrust high fuel rocket would have similar amount of boost to a high thrust low fuel rocket.

So, it is possible that they put too much fuel in the tanks. Or if they had new engines, they might have miscalculated the actual thrust and needed amount of fuel.


11 posted on 12/05/2010 12:40:10 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: JudgemAll

It seems like they could have turned off the engines once they had provided the required total impulse.


12 posted on 12/05/2010 12:45:02 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Pan_Yan
And these are the people Obama has forced us to use for "taxi" service to the International Space Station? Great, just freaking great!

Regards,
GtG

13 posted on 12/05/2010 1:24:25 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Pan_Yan; KevinDavis; AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; ...

Sounds like faulty navigation.


14 posted on 12/05/2010 6:44:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Anyone know the payload per satellite?

And where will they be accidentally dropping their satellites next?

15 posted on 12/06/2010 4:29:06 AM PST by TheOldLady (The only way to run our country is conservatively.)
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To: JudgemAll
Or is it possible there's confusion over "excess boost" and "8 degrees off course" due to translation errors?

For example, posit the Proton trajectory deviated over 8 degrees about the x-axis (see above). For a constant arel, this would result in an increased az and reduced ay.

In other words, rather than an orbital insertion, the Proton would eneter a pure ballistic trajectory. To quote Tom Lehrer, "Once der rockets are up, who cares vere vey come down. That's not mein department," says Wernher von Braun.

16 posted on 12/06/2010 5:07:47 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: Jonah Hex

Ah. We might have a winner here. If I hear you correctly, a change to less efficient “vertical” trajectory would indeed have lowered the boost to desired orbit, and a lack of control over that could indeed throw the rocket out of orbit altogether.


17 posted on 12/07/2010 6:31:48 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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