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NOW THEY LISTEN TO CHURCHILL (NYT Magazine-8/13/39)
Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 8/13/39 | Harold Callender

Posted on 08/13/2009 5:17:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: churchill; liberalnazis; realtime; wakeupamerica
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1 posted on 08/13/2009 5:17:55 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
CIANO AT SALZBURG AND OBERSALZBERG: AUGUST 11, 12, 13 (Part 3)

Having given [the Italian proposals] twenty-four hours’ thought, [Hitler] told Ciano the next day that it would be better if no communiqué of any kind were issued about their talks. Because of the expected bad weather in the fall

it was of decisive importance, firstly [he said], that within the shortest possible time Poland should make her intentions plain, and secondly, that no further acts of provocation of any sort should be tolerated by Germany.

When Ciano inquired as to “what the shortest possible time” was, Hitler replied, “By the end of August at the latest.” While it would take only a fortnight, he explained to defeat Poland, the “final liquidation” would require a further two to four weeks – a remarkable forecast of timing , as it turned out.

Finally, at the end, Hitler uttered his customary flattery of Mussolini, whom Ciano must have convinced him he could no longer count on. He personally felt fortunate, he declared, “to live at a time when, apart from himself, there was another statesman living who would stand out in history as a great and unique figure. It was a source of great personal happiness that he could be a friend of this man. When the hour struck for the common fight he would always be found at the side of the Duce, come what may.”

However much the strutting Mussolini might be impressed by such words, his son-in-law was not. “I return to Rome,” he wrote in his diary on August 13, after the second meeting with Hitler, “completely disgusted with the Germans, with their leader, with their way of doing things. They have betrayed us and lied to us. Now they are dragging us into an adventure which we have not wanted and which might compromise the regime and the country as a whole.”

William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

On the evening of his return from Berchtesgaden on August 13, Ciano saw the Duce and after describing his talks with Hitler and Ribbentrop tried to convince his chief that the Germans “have betrayed us and lied to us” and “are dragging us into an adventure.”

The Duce’s reactions are varied [Ciano noted in his diary that night]. At first he agrees with me. Then he says that honor compels him to march with Germany. Finally, he states that he wants his part of the booty in Croatia and Dalmatia.

William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

2 posted on 08/13/2009 5:21:37 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; henkster; ...
It would not be much of an exaggeration to say that many Britons want Churchill in the Cabinet mainly because Hitler does not want him there.

Ciano at Salzburg and Ciano diary updates at reply #2.

3 posted on 08/13/2009 5:23:00 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Churchill was GREAT!

made FDR look like the Marxist he was.....


4 posted on 08/13/2009 5:34:28 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Such a timely article for our times. Sadly there are no Churchill’s today in America or Brittan. We live in very dangerous times and instead we are left with the likes of Obama and his “pantywaist” ilk to defend America and the world from those who would destroy us.


5 posted on 08/13/2009 5:46:17 AM PDT by Jmouse007
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To: Jmouse007

There’s no Hitler either - it’s not the time for a churchill but for a bismarck.


6 posted on 08/13/2009 6:25:16 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there are people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Vaquero

I have read all of Churchill’s books. Anyone with a grasp of the English language can figure what a towering figure he was as compared to FDR.


7 posted on 08/13/2009 6:40:44 AM PDT by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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To: Jmouse007; Vaquero

If I were to pick the dominant figure of the 20th Century, it would be Winston Churchill. He is the only person to serve in important government posts during both World Wars. Even though he was managing an Empire in eclipse, he never lost sight of “the Big Picture.”

This article is a very good snapshot of him as he was about to be brought into what was very shortly to become a war cabinet.

And no, sadly, there don’t seem to be any more like him. Well, actually, I believe that there are. It’s just that the leftist dominated state-run media/entertainment complex will destroy such a man or woman today before they ever get near the levers of power.


8 posted on 08/13/2009 6:46:01 AM PDT by henkster (The frog has noticed the increase in water temperature)
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To: gr8eman

You’ve read all of them? That’s pretty impressive really. I OWN the History of the English Speaking People and I cant say I’ve read every volume cover to cover.


9 posted on 08/13/2009 8:41:06 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (If I disagree with you, it is because you are wrong.)
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To: henkster
It’s just that the leftist dominated state-run media/entertainment complex will destroy such a man or woman today before they ever get near the levers of power.

Sadly I think you are right. I think the last of those who were even close were Thatcher and Reagan. We as a society are so addicted to the instant feedback media outlets that many (too many) of us fall victim to whatever agenda is presented by them. There in lies the true global power of today and unfortunately it is run by some real crackpots.

10 posted on 08/13/2009 8:46:11 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (If I disagree with you, it is because you are wrong.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
WAKE UP AMERICA!

Just as there was a faint voice of reason in Britain against tyranny no one listened to, there is now several faint voices of reason against the rising tyranny in America.

11 posted on 08/13/2009 10:18:45 AM PDT by mainestategop (MAINE: The way communism should be)
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To: CougarGA7

He was a force to be reckoned with


12 posted on 08/14/2009 12:07:32 AM PDT by GeronL (http://unitedcitizen.blogspot -Guilty of deviationism- http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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