Posted on 07/30/2009 5:01:59 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
Appeasement Falters in a ‘War of Nerves’ 3-4*
Fascism Resumes Home Jobs 5-6
Mystery Clothes Talks in Moscow 7
Time is Britain’s Ally in Rush to Be Ready 8-10
‘Have-Not’ Powers Seeking New World Order 11-13
*Talk of appeasement in the form of loans or other forms is taken as a sign of weak nerves. Yet the British are driven by temperament and habit to deplore force and to strive to replace it by reason, or at least by negotiation. German diplomacy is essentially military and demands unconditional surrender.
British = American. German = Islamofascist. Still works.
Also, did you notice how much Achille Starace (pictured) looks like Rahm Emmanuel? (...or, maybe, Charles Krauthammer.)
Cheers!
Ping.
what was the date that germany invaded poland?
9/1
absolutely unbelievable how everyone involved was living on the edge of absolute precipice and had no idea.
not single player, germany, russia, england, etc had any idea what was about to come down. that blows my mind.
also, if i remember right, by this time germany was well along mustering forces on the polish border, almost 500,000 troops guns tanks, etc. and no one had a clue.
make that 1.5 million german infantry and troops, plus another 500,000 russians.
while the russians talked to the british, their army was also massing i guess.
Not entirely true. I have been posting updates from Shirer's book that show the planning for the invasion (Case White) is well along. Hitler has even settled on the date of 1 September as the probable date of execution. When Chamberlain announced that Great Britain would guarantee Poland against outside aggression (a mostly empty promise) he had the support of most of Parliament, including Churchill. People with access to information and the willingness to look at it realistically knew that the probable outcome would be a general war with Germany. And probably before the year was out.
At this point Hitler was unsure of only two things.
1. Could he make a deal with Stalin to ensure that they didn’t ally with Britain and France and end up at war with Germany (This question would be answered on the 23rd of August).
2. Would Britain and France follow through on their guarantee to Poland or would they cave again like they did with Czechoslovakia. (The final answer to this questions would come on September 3rd).
Hitler did know that by September 1st at the latest Poland would be destroyed.
I was talking some more with that nice lady from the cardiac rehab clinic. She was born in 1935 and was actually in a concentration camp in Poland (though her family was not Jewish). Her father died in a German concentration camp. She survived that, and living under Soviet oppression and still became a nuclear chemist and moved to America in 87. I wish I could sit down and just talk to her for hours about her experiences, but I can see that those are some pretty painful memories and the only reason she mentioned anything at all was because I was talking about my degree pursuits. She’s quite amazing in my opinion.
yes, thats certainly true. what i meant was, if you look at the pre war and post war world and map, and the objectives everyone had, none were met and the world was vastly different than they ever imagined.
obviously, things didnt turn out a s germany thought, but the same is true for england. their two basic objectives to maintain a free europe and prevent the occupation of poland, neither worked. at the end of the war, communism dominated eastern europe and poland wa occupied by a totalitarian power.
so everyone failed.
Reading this is like reading about live in ancient Pompeii the day before Vesuvius erupted, except that Pompeii was just one small city, and this was a world about to be wiped out, with hundreds of millions killed or wounded without most of them realizing what was coming. A bit like the attitude of the US before the Civil War, no one having a clue as to the level of a catastrophe that was coming.
I wonder if folks will be thinking the same about us, a few years from now.
Herbert L Mathews was a commie-facist shill
One of the articles above states that Germany was thinking the West would give up Poland the same way they had just given up the Czech Republic... “Sudetenlands” or something like that.
I remember the British were putting all of their newspaper archives online but its apparently only accessible to researchers or something right now.
Have you ever tried the Times of London?
Getting actual articles like you do is probably impossible but you can articles and headlines and stuff.
http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/
that is so right. its hard to know how concerned to get about the similarities to the late 1930’s and today.
democracies tired out by war and down economy, rising threats and totalitarian powers, armed with new weapons, numerous smaller proxy wars and engagments, and lastly, a leading politician who believes in talk, negotiation, and seeing it your way.
all it would take is one nuke to change all that.
It would be important for us to know whether the remarks made to Astakhov and Babarin have met with any response in Moscow. If you see an opportunity of arranging a further conversation with Molotov, please sound him out on the same lines. If this results in Molotov abandoning the reserve he has so far maintained you could go a step further . . . This applies in particular to the Polish problem. We would be prepared, however the Polish problem may develop . . . to safeguard all Soviet interests and to come to an understanding with the Government in Moscow. In the Baltic question, too, if the talks took a positive course, the idea could be advanced of so adjusting our attitude to the Baltic States as to respect vital Soviet interests in the Baltic Sea.
Two days later, on July 31, the State Secretary wired Schulenburg “urgent and secret”:
With reference to our dispatch of July 29, arriving in Moscow by courier today:
Please report by telegram the date and time of your next interview with Molotov as soon as it is fixed.
We are anxious for an early interview.
For the first time a note of urgency crept into the dispatches from Berlin to Moscow.
William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
7/31/39 Update at reply #19.
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