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BBC's insult to hero pilots: Veterans rage over Dresden coverage that attacks Britain...
dailymail.co.uk ^ | 14 February 2015 | Larisa Brown and Inderdeep Bains

Posted on 02/15/2015 4:34:47 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper

The BBC’s coverage of the bombing of Dresden in which Britain was described as ‘worse than the Nazis’ was condemned as disgraceful by RAF veterans and MPs last night.

Despite dedicating more than 32 minutes of airtime to the 70th anniversary of the fire-bombing that killed tens of thousands at the end of the Second World War, there was barely a mention of British airmen who lost their lives.

The BBC’s four major news shows and Radio 4 interviewed multiple German survivors of the bombings.

They also showed a British prisoner of war who berated those who ordered the raids, adding it was ‘demonic’ and ‘evil’.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: atrocity; dresden; slaughterhouse5; unitedkingdom; warcrimes; worldwartwo; ww2
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To: dfwgator
It’s not news that to the financial world, then that the Bolsheviks were considered the biggest threat, which certainly was not an unjustified opinion. They were naive about Hitler, but saw in him someone who would serve as a bulwark against Bolshevism. They made a deal with the devil.

That's the myth that conservatives must believe in to be believe the illusion of a supposed "clash" between communism and capitalism. The truth is that communism is the brainchild of financial elites. You must understand that the top financial elites of the world are monopolists, not capitalists in the sense of wanting a free market - since that carries with it competition. The top financial elites of the world just want to reamin on top. What they can't stand is the "bourgeoisie" - upstart businesses owned by the sheeple.

You have to ask yourself why all the wealthy types suddenly decide to go "socialist" ?

Read up on the Fabians and Beatrice Potter Webb, whose family was wealthy and powerful. It IS very convincing - they never give up the illusion that they've had some "change of heart". But funny, at the same time, they don't give up their wealth. Strange.

Keep digging and you'll find that Wall Street funded the Bolshevik revolution; it was basically exported from NYC to Russia.

International banking had hated the Romanovs for a century before the Revolution. More on this later.
121 posted on 02/16/2015 5:37:00 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: xone

Firebombing civilians is incredibly wrong.

The “total war” of WWI and WWII was the gleeful goal of new world order globalists that engineered both wars.

They wanted wars so painful and destructive that people would support global governance so such terrible wars “never happened again”.

They had their minions in place as top advisors to both sides of both wars, so they wars were conducted according to their dictates, right down to logistics and rationing.

You have to look at the biographies of the leaders in the US and UK to start to see the connections.

Us conservative sheeple are just told it was “us”, “America”, when it was really the cabal that was running America that called the shots.


122 posted on 02/16/2015 5:44:25 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Firebombing civilians is incredibly wrong.

So is past posting based on capabilities that didn't exist at the time. Can't see 'civilians' from 20k+. If you are involved in the 'war industry' you are a legitimate target. Bombing accuracy in WWII was poor when compared to today. The tactics helped overcome it somewhat and allow it to be effective.

123 posted on 02/16/2015 7:10:01 AM PST by xone
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To: xone

Please listen to the video of Dr. Sutton I posted in #108. Did you listen to that ?

Target selection is what I’m talking about, not accuracy.

Firebombing a city. They absolutely knew what happens with the heat and wind, that large civilian centers would be incinerated.


124 posted on 02/16/2015 8:27:18 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Of course, the Condor Legion destroyed Guernica in 1937, and the Japanese began terror bombing of Chongqing, China, a year later.

Blaming the start of such bombing on Churchill is historically wrong, and as I’ve mentioned on an earlier thread on this subject, Dresden was the last major intact communications and transport hub in Germany at the time of the attack, and that alone gave the target substantial military value. There was also additional war work going on in the city per Frederick Taylor’s excellent 2005 book on this subject.

In short, to simply say Dresden was a terror attack is inaccurate. The death toll was high, yes, but a large number of Freepers appear to have been taken in by post-war Soviet and East German propaganda, which portrayed the city as simply a hovel of defenseless civilians in order to discredit the West.

Could the attacks have been done differently? Possibly. Should they? That is for history to decide.


125 posted on 02/16/2015 8:36:19 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I’m aware that they had worked out the idea of firestorms. Where would you have them bomb when the targets are contained in a city? Just say “Oh well, can’t attack there, might kill a civilian.” Foolish ideas in total war.


126 posted on 02/16/2015 7:35:05 PM PST by xone
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To: central_va
Great leaders have the courage to make tough decisions.

Others play golf or take selfies.

127 posted on 02/16/2015 7:53:54 PM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: xone

Common sense: military fighting units first, the first being air forces.

Air supremecy, then ground war. Common sense.

Imagine the havoc rained down on ground forces after air supremecy.

The big problem for the elites and their minions at the top of UK/US governments:

Not enough dead, not enough property destruction prior to surrender, and most of the dead would be military.

No need for a United Nations, because there would be no fear of “total war”.

No financing of the rebuilding of flattened cities after the war. Bankers lose business on the back end.


128 posted on 02/16/2015 10:00:36 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

The quote I posted was about Britain and Germany in WW2 and not what Churchill started in the history of war.


129 posted on 02/16/2015 10:54:59 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Three more USAAF air raids followed, two occurring on 2 March and 17 April aimed at the city's railroad marshaling yard and one small raid on 17 April aimed at industrial areas.
130 posted on 02/16/2015 10:57:39 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Berlin_Freeper

BBC needs chopped up, privatized and made to fund themselves


131 posted on 02/16/2015 11:00:21 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Berlin_Freeper

war is, indeed, ghastly

so is the result of not fighting true evil, when the ghastliness can last far far longer


132 posted on 02/16/2015 11:02:25 PM PST by GeronL
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To: FreedomPoster

Kipling was probably banned before Churchill


133 posted on 02/16/2015 11:03:00 PM PST by GeronL
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To: PieterCasparzen

Remember the history books about the Lords and Serfs

The elites want that.


134 posted on 02/16/2015 11:05:44 PM PST by GeronL
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To: PieterCasparzen
Common sense: military fighting units first, the first being air forces. Air supremecy, then ground war. Common sense.

There is no 'step by step' process that works like that. The enemy always has a say. Military units by nature are difficult to target on an operational or strategic level, industry is tied to location. Much easier to predict where the Ruhr steelworks will be than the 1st Panzer Division.

As for air supremacy, that was a product of strategic bombing and Hitler's obstinacy. Trained pilots were mauled by the bombers and later the escorts. Fighter production in the Reich went up, but by then the die was cast.

135 posted on 02/17/2015 5:42:38 AM PST by xone
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To: cripplecreek
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,

and the women come out to cut up what remains,

jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains

and go to your gawd like a soldier.

Rudyard Kipling

136 posted on 02/17/2015 6:03:17 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Madame Dufarge

Suicide is a sin.


137 posted on 02/17/2015 7:23:01 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: xone

That’s about the goofiest statement I’ve heard here in long time.

What would General Patton’s answer be to that BS ?

The US was a bunch of pantywaists who would rather bomb a city that fight the 1st panzer division ?

My God, what have we come to ?

Are we that determined to stick to our delusions of grandeur about the past that have been written for us by the publishers (read new world order) of history books and blathering infotainment idiots ?

Those idiots have been assigned the task of getting conservatives to support 100% latitude for new world order top technical advisors to US Presidents to get them to order the US military all over the planet in pursuit of new world order’s petty ambitions.

Is that what “defending America” is about, installing puppet governments ?

Has American and British foreign policy done anything but new world orders bidding in the last century ?

Why should the citizens of every nation not be left to determine their own leadership without manipulation by a bunch of wicked international financial elites ?


138 posted on 02/17/2015 7:32:13 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
That’s about the goofiest statement I’ve heard here in long time.

Only because you want to assume that the intel supports your idiocy. There was no real-time OOB available. Patton? He didn't get on the continent till 44, who had attrited the enemy till that point?

My God, what have we come to ?

Apparently one that chooses to accept that we are controlled by unseen forces other than sin, and that only those in the 'know' can free the 'sheeple'.

by a bunch of wicked international financial elites ?

Talking about the 'Jooooos'? Your schtick is the same one the Nazis andCommies used.

139 posted on 02/17/2015 7:39:28 AM PST by xone
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To: PieterCasparzen

Sailed right over you head, did it?


140 posted on 02/17/2015 7:58:06 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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