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Police Chief now says officer might have realized Michael Brown was robbery suspect
MissouriNet ^ | August 15, 2014 | Mike Lear

Posted on 08/16/2014 12:44:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Chief of the Ferguson Police Department now says officer Darren Wilson realized that he might be talking to suspects in a strong-armed robbery when he encountered 18-year-old Michael Brown and his friend, just before the incident in which Wilson fatally shot Brown.

Jackson had told reporters Friday afternoon that Wilson stopped Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, because they pair were walking down the street and blocking traffic, but did not know Brown was identified as a suspect in the robbery in which a box of cigars was stolen.

Jackson has since told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that Wilson saw cigars in Brown’s hand and realized Brown might be the suspect.

Witnesses and police differ in their accounts of what happened next. Police say Brown and Wilson struggled for the officer’s gun before Brown was shot. Witnesses say Brown was shot while his arms were raised in surrender.

Brown’s family accuses Jackson and police of trying to slander Brown’s name in the public eye by releasing information on the robbery, and a related surveillance video, at the same time Wilson’s name was released.

See our earlier story on the identification of Wilson and the robbery information, including video

Jackson denies the timing of those releases was strategic, and says he released the video and incident reports because media outlets had requested them under the Freedom of Information Act. He says the Department has now released all the information it can.

Many, including the family’s attorneys and some protesters, say the robbery is irrelevant to the shooting incident and still doesn’t explain what happened when Brown and his friend encountered Wilson.

Brown’s family is pleading for peace and asking those reacting to the shooting or today’s release of information not to riot, after some protests in the past few days have turned violent including property damage and looting.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Local News
KEYWORDS: crime; ferguson; michaelbrown; mikebrown; missouri
Funny, what other groups riot at the drop of a hat over an individual they don't know? Bueller? Bueller?
1 posted on 08/16/2014 12:44:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I watched this conference live.

2:20 is the Q&A about what the officer knew or didn’t know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzH_cUtpHRw

The Chief contradicted their own report saying the Officer heard the report and that’s why he stopped Brown.

This is really the gang that can’t shoot straight. So to speak.


2 posted on 08/16/2014 12:51:10 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

It’s difficult to follow this story with all the twists and turns. But... aren’t the police saying that Brown attacked the officer?

Maybe when the officer stopped Brown, Brown believed he was being stopped because of the robbery. That would explain why he pushed the officer back into his patrol car, if indeed that’s what he did.


3 posted on 08/16/2014 1:03:13 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What type of people want to smash windows and take other people’s property? There’s nothing that justifies that behavior.


4 posted on 08/16/2014 1:14:18 AM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: Tired of Taxes

The police are saying Brown attacked the officer, reaches for his gun and pointed it at the officer at some point, then continued on. Then, when the officer told him to ‘freeze’ he turned and bull rushed the officer full speed (despite having a gun pointed at him) and the officer shot him multiple times as he kept charging.

The witnesses say there was a scuffle, officer said, “Freeze” and Brown turned either with arms in the air or arms in air and on his knees and was still shot by the officer.

One witness it the friend of Brown’s that was with him at the store they robbed. The other witness was in a car and said she saw it happen.

There was a report a teen girl had a camera/phone with video of the actual incident that was confiscated on the scene. Been unable to verify that and we obviously haven’t seen that footage if it exists.


5 posted on 08/16/2014 1:16:23 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What relevance does this have? Either he took some action that necessitated the officer shooting him, or he didn’t. Whether someone is Charles Manson or Mother Theresa, the police are only supposed to shoot someone under certain circumstances. It’s s not like suspect of certain crimes are supposed to be punished in the field.


6 posted on 08/16/2014 1:19:38 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: TigerClaws

Thanks for the information.

Considering how Brown took what he wanted and then pushed the store owner, it seems that he would’ve been the type who would rough up an officer.

Maybe the autopsy will tell us more. And hopefully that cell phone video surfaces.


7 posted on 08/16/2014 1:25:13 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>" the robbery is irrelevant to the shooting incident"

Really? Are they that obtuse? Ship em back to uhfreaqkuh since they claim to be from there.

8 posted on 08/16/2014 1:35:10 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: TigerClaws

“This is really the gang that can’t shoot straight. So to speak.”

For sure. The first thing the good citizens of Ferguson should do is find a new Chief of Police. Second action, should be to incentivize the return of industry and - whites.


9 posted on 08/16/2014 1:40:07 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As a taxpayer, I am glad that the thug was euthanized (”put to sleep”) by the cop. Can you imagine how much us taxpayers would be paying to keep this thug alive for the next 50 years? Welfare payments, food stamps,,the cost of incarceration, court costs, public defenders, plus all the babies he would produce. The cop deserves a medal.


10 posted on 08/16/2014 1:48:46 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Bullish
What type of people want to smash windows and take other people’s property?

Obama's sons. The ones who think they have a right to your stuff. Oh, and they get mad when you think they should pay for it.

11 posted on 08/16/2014 2:02:29 AM PDT by Mark17 (Obama & Nero? Both Emperors. The difference is Nero played a fiddle, while Obama plays a "flute")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So then if he realized that did he call in for back-up as is standard protocol or did he just keep it to himself???

The PC is talking out of both sides of his mouth —


12 posted on 08/16/2014 3:18:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Tired of Taxes

A crime was committed and the call went out with a description of the suspects, all units on patrol would have heard it. It’s called a BOLO, it makes no sense that he wouldn’t have known unless he came on duty after the BOLO.


13 posted on 08/16/2014 3:24:45 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: nickcarraway

The robbery is the escape hatch for everyone to say Brown got what he deserved. Case closed.


14 posted on 08/16/2014 4:13:28 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

The robbery isn’t the reason for Brown being shot.


15 posted on 08/16/2014 4:17:49 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Not my point. It’s the reason most people need to hear in order to say “ move along”. Although for some, they don’t even need that.


16 posted on 08/16/2014 4:23:17 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Regardless whether or not the officer knew Brown was the suspect, Brown certainly knew. Let's say you rob a bank, and 15 minutes later a cop tries to stop you. You would certainly assume it was because of the bank robbery, and you would act accordingly.

"Model citizen" Brown would not want an arrest to soil his business and college career, and so, may attempt to escape. To me, this explains most all of the actions of Brown

17 posted on 08/16/2014 4:51:17 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age didn’t end because we ran out of stones)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

brown had his hands in the air and the cop assassinated him, but left the other one standing to testify against him? That dont add up.


18 posted on 08/16/2014 5:05:18 AM PDT by weezel
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19 posted on 08/16/2014 5:26:51 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“What type of people want to smash windows and take other people’s property?”.....

They’re called “Street Rats”......you already know their race and culture.


20 posted on 08/16/2014 5:46:27 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: weezel
“......brown had his hands in the air and the cop assassinated him”.....

Arms raised? You actually saw that and/or believe those witnesses? Having some experience with witnesses, (particularly those who are of the race of Brown), I have great suspicion to the accountability of such information as they would provide.

21 posted on 08/16/2014 5:55:09 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

To be slander it can’t be true. How can a video showing what he actually did be slander?


22 posted on 08/16/2014 6:20:00 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: DaveA37
These felon "victims" have gone downhill since Rodney King.

First Trayvon Martin, now this guy, always some violent thug they choose to riot for.

23 posted on 08/16/2014 6:21:50 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Might” have realized?

Thanks for nothing, d#psh!t.


24 posted on 08/16/2014 6:49:13 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m very interested in what the toxicology report is going to show in the ‘Gentle Giant’s’ system.
They are going to do one aren’t they?
I’m betting he was strung out on meth or steroids.


25 posted on 08/16/2014 7:18:52 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: DaveA37

Arms raised? You actually saw that and/or believe those witnesses?

...I think he was expressing his skepticism of that possibility...


26 posted on 08/16/2014 7:20:52 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: TigerClaws
There was a report a teen girl had a camera/phone with video of the actual incident that was confiscated on the scene.

There is another cell phone video out there taken at the scene after the shooting. While the video isn't all that relevant, a witness conversation that was recorded taking place off camera pretty much corroborates the officer's version of events. Ferguson PD has been notified of the video's existence because it will likely be taken down, once it's relevance becomes known.

27 posted on 08/16/2014 7:30:00 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Dusty Road
the call went out with a description of the suspects, all units on patrol would have heard it.

Good point!

When the chief said the officer didn't know Brown had robbed a store, maybe he meant the officer didn't realize Brown himself was the suspect. But the officer would've heard the call.

And if Brown believed he was about to be arrested for the crime, that would explain why he pushed the officer. Seeing how he had no compunction about taking what he wanted and pushing a store owner out of his way, it's not difficult to believe he did the same thing to a police officer if he thought he was about to be arrested.

28 posted on 08/16/2014 1:33:43 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: mac_truck

Do you have a link to that video (before it disappears)?


29 posted on 08/16/2014 1:34:58 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
Here you go with a standard language warning...it was uploaded by someone who calls himself the black Canseco. Again, the important conversation is taking place off camera and can be a little bit difficult to hear clearly at times. Audio experts will have no difficulty isolating the conversation however.

Michael Brown Eyewitness Crime Scene Video

30 posted on 08/16/2014 2:04:58 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Thank you. It sounds like that side conversation starts around 6 minutes into the video. I’ll try to transcribe it if no one else has.

FTR, I can understand and sympathize with the people in that video. They didn’t see what happened. They heard shots and came outside, and a young man was lying shot in the middle of the street. You can hear the rumors spreading already in that video that “his hands were up, and they shot him anyway.”

There’s NO excuse for anyone to riot and loot, but it’s understandable why the people who didn’t see what happened were upset and how the rumors started.


31 posted on 08/16/2014 2:26:58 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: mac_truck

Side conversation begins around 6:12.
[?] = unable to hear/understand
Note: Unable to distinguish between speakers.


That’s the one that ran behind this right here. Because he ran up there, where we [?], where we live at.

[?] when I came outside, all I seen was [?] in the [truck? trunk?] right there [?]. I don’t know what happened, [?].

[Crosstalk]

How’d he get from there to here?

[Crosstalk]

‘Cause he ran. Police were still in the truck.

They came this way?

[Crosstalk]

Why his body come this way though?

[Crosstalk]

[?] He was like over the [truck? trunk?] [?] he ran. Police got out and ran after him. [Crosstalk] And next thing I know, he’s coming back toward the [truck? trunk?]

[Crosstalk]

Police had to run.

Oh, the police [?].


This is not a good transcription. Maybe someone else can hear more than I can. This doesn’t tell us much, but it might back up what the officer is claiming - that Brown was in the patrol car (the truck?) and then ran back toward the police for some reason? I don’t know...


32 posted on 08/16/2014 3:11:07 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: TigerClaws

Most witnesses are unreliable and in these cases we have repeatedly seen that they have an agenda. Forensic evidence is the best way to get at the truth.


33 posted on 08/19/2014 6:26:40 AM PDT by Ronald J Riley
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To: TigerClaws
There is a woman who said that she witnessed the entire incident but videoed the aftermath. It was confiscated and returned.

She said, like dorian johnson, that the 175 lb sitting officer was trying to pull the 300 lb standing brown into the vehicle on top of him through the window or open door.

That obviously makes no sense at all.

If she is being truthful and did see it she probably saw the original assault and the fight for the gun and interpreted what she had seen to fit the narrative.

34 posted on 09/03/2014 5:06:44 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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