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Dr. David Jeremiah's historical revisionism
La Salette Journey ^ | February 10, 2014 | Paul Melanson

Posted on 02/10/2014 8:17:44 AM PST by cleghornboy

Dr. David Jeremiah, senior pastor of Shadow Mountain Community Church in El Cajon, California, in his book entitled "I Never Thought I'd See The Day," which is listed as a "# 1 New York Times Bestseller," engages in historical revisionism as he attempts to portray William Tyndale as a "martyr" for the Bible.

On page 161 of his book, Dr. Jeremiah asserts that, "..because TYndale believed that every English-speaking person deserved to have access to the Bible in English, he labored to produce the first complete New Testament (and part of the Old Testament) in English translated directly from the original Hebrew and Greek texts. Finding no support for his efforts in England, the Oxford and Cambridge trained scholar, fluent in no fewer than eight languages, left for Germany in 1524, never to see England again..."

What a blessing for England! Let's begin with Dr. Jeremiah's asinine claim that William Tyndale was a "trained scholar." Actually, Tyndale was a mediocre scholar at best. He described himself as, "evil favoured in this world, and without grace in the sight of men, speechless and rude, dull and slow witted." In other words, he had no special qualifications for the monumentally important task of translating God's Holy Word. To put it mildly.

Of course this doesn't concern Doctor Jeremiah. But then why should it? As with many other anti-Catholic propagandists, Dr. Jeremiah cannot afford to let the truth get in his way or produce the slightest crack in his wall of conviction. He implies in his book that the Catholic Church didn't want the people to have access to the Scriptures.

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TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: bookreview; churchhistory; davidjeremiah; historical; pastor; pimpmyblog; revisionism

1 posted on 02/10/2014 8:17:44 AM PST by cleghornboy
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To: cleghornboy

Yes, so Tyndale obviously deserved to be burned at the stake.

Of course, how silly of us to have missed that.

Thank you.


2 posted on 02/10/2014 8:19:56 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: cleghornboy

What’s your, and this writer’s, problem?


3 posted on 02/10/2014 8:25:46 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

I’m guessing it is: Dr. David Jeremiah’s historical revisionism.


4 posted on 02/10/2014 8:33:36 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

I’m guessing it is: Dr. David Jeremiah’s historical revisionism.


The horror!


5 posted on 02/10/2014 8:37:18 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: cleghornboy
Let's begin with Dr. Jeremiah's asinine claim that William Tyndale was a "trained scholar." Actually, Tyndale was a mediocre scholar at best.

Being classically trained at Oxford and being fluent in 8 languages is apparantly not enough to be considered a "trained scholar". Despite that, the author cannot discern the difference between 'trained' and 'mediocre' as being non-sequitor. 'Trained' being an accomplishment and 'mediocre' nothing more than opinion.

Still, because he was a thorn in the Pope's side, I guess that calls for strangulation and becoming a human torch.

6 posted on 02/10/2014 8:44:18 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: ifinnegan

The world is rocketing to Hades at 700 miles an hour, and Christians spend their time flinging mud at one another over such esoteric issues.

Oy vey!


7 posted on 02/10/2014 8:45:08 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ifinnegan; D-fendr
...engages in historical revisionism as he attempts to portray William Tyndale as a "martyr" for the Bible...

It is not 'historical revisionism' when it is has been accepted history for nearly 500 years. Now if the author (Paul Melanson) wants to attack this historical account (basing his argument on self-depreciating remarks William Tyndale made about himself seems a stretch), so be it -- but Paul Melanson would be the one engaging in historical revisionism (revising the historical account of the life of William Tyndale).

8 posted on 02/10/2014 8:47:35 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Westbrook
You beat me to this.

Yes, Tyndale and many others were so lowly and undeserved of the accolades given them by leaders who forget or "rewrite their history" so that we never forget the blood and treasure spilt so that the truth of God's word wasn't lost giving us the scriptures, deserved to be murdered some even burned at the stake for their "misdeeds."

9 posted on 02/10/2014 8:48:55 AM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: cleghornboy

Do you really care what David Jeremiah said, or are you just trying to start a flame war?

Have you personally read his book or studied the Tyndale matter, or are you just hoping to sew contention?


10 posted on 02/10/2014 8:49:39 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: cleghornboy
..because TYndale believed that every English-speaking person deserved to have access to the Bible in English,

Factually true: he famously remarked that if God gave him the time, he would make a ploughboy understand the Scriptures better than his fellow clergymen, who had remarked to him that they were better off with the Pope's laws than God's.

he labored to produce the first complete New Testament (and part of the Old Testament) in English translated directly from the original Hebrew and Greek texts.

Also factually true: the only English translations of the Bible that existed prior were translated from the Vulgate (e.g. Wycliffe's).

Finding no support for his efforts in England,

Also factually true: he asked permission from the Bishop of London, Cuthbert Tunstall, to make an English translation of the Bible, but was refused. Tunstall was suspicious of both Tyndale and vernacular Bible translations.

the Oxford and Cambridge trained scholar,

Factually true: Tyndale studied at Oxford University, obtaining his B.A. in 1512 and his M.A. in 1515, then continued his studies in theology at Cambridge University, where he may have taken a third degree before being ordained in 1521.

fluent in no fewer than eight languages,

English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, to be specific.

left for Germany in 1524, never to see England again..

Also factually true: he left London for Cologne in 1525, then fled to Worms in 1526 when the anti-Lutheran government in Cologne got wind of his translation work. Perhaps a year later, he moved to Antwerp, in Belgium, where he was ultimately betrayed, arrested, and burned.

So far, I don't see the problem with Jeremiah's facts here.

Let's begin with Dr. Jeremiah's asinine claim that William Tyndale was a "trained scholar." Actually, Tyndale was a mediocre scholar at best.

I would consider someone with two (and possibly three) degrees to be "trained," and someone capable of earning his Master's degree at the age of 21 to be more than a "mediocre" scholar, whatever his modest self-appraisal might have been.

In other words, he had no special qualifications for the monumentally important task of translating God's Holy Word.

Apart from two or three university degrees, formal education in theology, ordination to the clergy, fluency in the biblical languages and a natural gift for linguistics? Nope, not qualified at all!

*snort*

11 posted on 02/10/2014 8:50:01 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: El Cid

Not a shock. Historical revisionism has long been a favorite tactic of Rome.

God bless William Tyndale!


12 posted on 02/10/2014 8:52:40 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: zerosix

> deserved to be murdered some even burned at the stake for
> their “misdeeds.”

Don’t forget the tongue screws. These devices were used to prevent the condemned heretics from preaching, praising God, or singing hymns as the flames consumed them.

Oh, and don’t forget the drownings. Some Anabaptists (re-baptizers) were tied up in sacks with some heavy stones and thrown into rivers.

How nice.


13 posted on 02/10/2014 8:56:41 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: El Cid

>>”..revising the historical account of the life of William Tyndale.”

I don’t think this is what the article does. It’s mostly about his work.


14 posted on 02/10/2014 8:58:17 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: cleghornboy
Bishop Tunstall of London declared that he found more than 2,000 errors in Tyndale's Bible while Saint Thomas More, the Lord Chancellor of England, wrote a treatise against the heretical translation and asserted that to "find errors in Tyndale's book were like studying to find water in the sea."

To prove there's any accuracy to this accusation, you will provide the list of 2000 errors made by Tyndale, correct???

15 posted on 02/10/2014 9:23:50 AM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Iscool
To prove there's any accuracy to this accusation, you will provide the list of 2000 errors made by Tyndale, correct???

A Bible translated and published by Miles Coverdale the year Tyndale died, was the first one to be printed with Henry VIII's permission, after he was assured by Thomas Cranmer that it contained no heresies.

However, Coverdale's Bible was little more than a minor revision of Tyndale's, along with the completed Old Testament (of which Tyndale had completed only a handful of books before he was martyred).

Whatever these 2000 errors were, I doubt they were fixed by Coverdale. They probably disappeared by magic.

16 posted on 02/10/2014 9:32:12 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Iscool

Amen. The piece is long on accusation, but nonexistent in proof.


17 posted on 02/10/2014 9:37:39 AM PST by afsnco
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To: Westbrook

All of it was foretold long ago: “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”

Here is a sad video for those interested. It was done by former Irish priest Richard Bennett and a British historian.

“Catholic Inquisition and Torture Tools”

“The Roman Catholic Church, under the direct orders of her popes, was the direct and immediate cause of systematized robbery, torture, and murder of millions of Bible believers, Jews, and others for 605 years. Richard Bennett and British historian Michael de Semlyen present a clear historic account of this period. Professional dramatization inserts of torture and burning at the stake are included. Actual photos of the historical torture devises are also included.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY&list=PLE1CB721E3CA65D76&index=94&feature=plpp_video


18 posted on 02/10/2014 9:41:23 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: rjsimmon

Let’s face it, the man was incompetent.

That’s no doubt why textual analysis shows that 84% of the New Testament and 75% of the books he translated from the Old Testament was retained in the King James Version.


19 posted on 02/10/2014 10:37:22 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: .45 Long Colt
The Roman Catholic Church, under the direct orders of her popes, was the direct and immediate cause of systematized robbery, torture, and murder of millions of Bible believers, Jews, and others for 605 years

"Millions"? Bullpuckey. But the Protestant side has never hesitated to warp history to "prove" their point. Especially the English Protestant side, which, after brutally suppressing any shred of Catholic dissent (Pilgrimage of Grace, anyone) proceeded to rewrite history out of whole cloth.

20 posted on 02/10/2014 10:37:34 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

Over the years I have varying estimates, but I believe the number is well into the millions. For the sake of argument, however, let’s stipulate long dead historians grossly overstated the numbers. Let’s say the real number was 100,000, would that change a thing? Would that change the reality of what happened? Would that demonstrate what Rome did was right? NO and NO

The truth is this: The blood of countless Christian saints is on Rome’s hands and the Lord remembers each one by name.


21 posted on 02/10/2014 10:52:27 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

Ping for later


22 posted on 02/10/2014 11:11:43 AM PST by lafroste
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yes, I have decided you are right...the mud slinging is disturbing.


23 posted on 02/10/2014 11:20:52 AM PST by Kackikat
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To: .45 Long Colt
RE: 12

Yes, they have a sad history of using historical revisionism, forgeries (e.g., 'Donation of Constantine', 'Isidorian decretals', etc), and the like to keep people in the dark.
I'm still not sure why this guy went after Tyndale. Tyndale just gave his life to give the Bible to people in their common language. I suppose anyone with a blog and an axe to grind can spew what they please - but probably not worth the time analyzing his purpose.

And agreed, God Bless William Tyndale!

24 posted on 02/10/2014 12:06:29 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: rjsimmon

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.catholicculture.org%2Flibrary%2Fview.cfm%3Frecnum%3D4749&ei=emb6UpyIMueT1AGIiIH4Cg&usg=AFQjCNEw1H4dZYLw5rKNtIi3hj_MnzxBvg


25 posted on 02/11/2014 10:07:08 AM PST by cleghornboy (La Salette Missionaries in crisis)
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