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1 posted on 02/10/2014 8:17:44 AM PST by cleghornboy
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Yes, so Tyndale obviously deserved to be burned at the stake.

Of course, how silly of us to have missed that.

Thank you.


2 posted on 02/10/2014 8:19:56 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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What’s your, and this writer’s, problem?


3 posted on 02/10/2014 8:25:46 AM PST by ifinnegan
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Let's begin with Dr. Jeremiah's asinine claim that William Tyndale was a "trained scholar." Actually, Tyndale was a mediocre scholar at best.

Being classically trained at Oxford and being fluent in 8 languages is apparantly not enough to be considered a "trained scholar". Despite that, the author cannot discern the difference between 'trained' and 'mediocre' as being non-sequitor. 'Trained' being an accomplishment and 'mediocre' nothing more than opinion.

Still, because he was a thorn in the Pope's side, I guess that calls for strangulation and becoming a human torch.

6 posted on 02/10/2014 8:44:18 AM PST by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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Do you really care what David Jeremiah said, or are you just trying to start a flame war?

Have you personally read his book or studied the Tyndale matter, or are you just hoping to sew contention?


10 posted on 02/10/2014 8:49:39 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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..because TYndale believed that every English-speaking person deserved to have access to the Bible in English,

Factually true: he famously remarked that if God gave him the time, he would make a ploughboy understand the Scriptures better than his fellow clergymen, who had remarked to him that they were better off with the Pope's laws than God's.

he labored to produce the first complete New Testament (and part of the Old Testament) in English translated directly from the original Hebrew and Greek texts.

Also factually true: the only English translations of the Bible that existed prior were translated from the Vulgate (e.g. Wycliffe's).

Finding no support for his efforts in England,

Also factually true: he asked permission from the Bishop of London, Cuthbert Tunstall, to make an English translation of the Bible, but was refused. Tunstall was suspicious of both Tyndale and vernacular Bible translations.

the Oxford and Cambridge trained scholar,

Factually true: Tyndale studied at Oxford University, obtaining his B.A. in 1512 and his M.A. in 1515, then continued his studies in theology at Cambridge University, where he may have taken a third degree before being ordained in 1521.

fluent in no fewer than eight languages,

English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, to be specific.

left for Germany in 1524, never to see England again..

Also factually true: he left London for Cologne in 1525, then fled to Worms in 1526 when the anti-Lutheran government in Cologne got wind of his translation work. Perhaps a year later, he moved to Antwerp, in Belgium, where he was ultimately betrayed, arrested, and burned.

So far, I don't see the problem with Jeremiah's facts here.

Let's begin with Dr. Jeremiah's asinine claim that William Tyndale was a "trained scholar." Actually, Tyndale was a mediocre scholar at best.

I would consider someone with two (and possibly three) degrees to be "trained," and someone capable of earning his Master's degree at the age of 21 to be more than a "mediocre" scholar, whatever his modest self-appraisal might have been.

In other words, he had no special qualifications for the monumentally important task of translating God's Holy Word.

Apart from two or three university degrees, formal education in theology, ordination to the clergy, fluency in the biblical languages and a natural gift for linguistics? Nope, not qualified at all!

*snort*

11 posted on 02/10/2014 8:50:01 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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Bishop Tunstall of London declared that he found more than 2,000 errors in Tyndale's Bible while Saint Thomas More, the Lord Chancellor of England, wrote a treatise against the heretical translation and asserted that to "find errors in Tyndale's book were like studying to find water in the sea."

To prove there's any accuracy to this accusation, you will provide the list of 2000 errors made by Tyndale, correct???

15 posted on 02/10/2014 9:23:50 AM PST by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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