Concealed Carry Permit Holders are One Third as Likely to Commit Murder as Police Officers

Gun Watch ^ | 7 October, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

This is not an easy ratio to determine, but this study may be the best that exists. Any other attempts that I have seen to try to determine this ratio have relied on single lines of data, such as estimates of innocent people shot per year by police vs permit holders.

[cloudmountain]

My husband had a permit to carry--here in California. He had to go through A LOT to get it but it was a great thing to have. He felt an awesome kind of burden, but a good kind. I felt MUCH safer with him, even though I KNEW that he could beat the tar of out of 99% of all other human beings.
The exception, of course, would be Ethel Merman. :o)

[bigheadfred]

It may not be an easy ratio to determine but it is easily digested when you add all the other nefarious crap police officers pull.

[TheConservativeParty]

I’ve had my permit 2 years and have shot no one.
Like the article says, I also don’t write bad checks.

: )

[bigheadfred]

ever one knows avoiding her is the ethelogical thing to do

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

I also remember a study years ago (sorry no cite) that found that in a shooting, cops were 3 times as likely to shoot the wrong person than a citizen (permit or not).

Primarily because victims are the true “first responders.” A citizen is usually shooting his/her attacker. When a cop arrives, their chance of shooting the wrong person is much higher.

[marktwain]

Yes, I remember that, and it made perfect sense to me.

[Yo-Yo]

Well then obviously we need to mandate that all police officers also obtain concealed carry permits, and we’ll all be safer.

[marktwain]

Officers that had CCW permits were counted as officers ;-)

[cpdiii]

Bad guys “pick up” the psychology of fear in a potential victim. The clues that the potential victim gives is in their walk, how they hold their head and body and eye contact. When you are carrying you do not show these signs of fear. The bad guys also pick up the lack of fear and search for a different victim.

The point being is that many crimes have not happened because a law abiding citizen is carrying a concealed firearm.

[Carriage Hill]

I've had a CCW/CHL since after I was robbed/shot in 1974, in FL, and haven't had to use my firearm, yet. I hope I never do.

I still carry the round:

[Secret Agent Man]

And actually i put some stock behind these numbers as there are far more ccw’s out there than police. the sample population for ccw’s is so much greater the one-third number is strongly validated by the sample size.

[CodeToad]

How about shooting of dogs? I bet CCW holders shoot dogs 1/10,000th less than cops.

[TBP]

What about unarmed women in cars?

[cloudmountain]

ever one knows avoiding her is the ethelogical thing to do

Hahaha. That was 2/3 of a pun...P U

[cloudmountain]

What about unarmed women in cars?

BOO! HHHIIISSSSSSSS.........

[GodAndCountryFirst]

Most cops are union members and a whole lot of them are easily identifiable as DemoCRAPS. So, sure, they have a higher percentage of murderers than the general population. Hire cops on MERIT ONLY and ban public employee unions and then you will see this level out.

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

There really is a pressing need for clarity in these statistics. Suicide should be tracked separately from other homicide, and killing homicide needs to be subdivided as well, into murder-homicide, accidental-homicide, reckless-homicide and justifiable-homicide. Finally, murder-homicide needs the traditional subdivision for premeditated murder, murder in the heat of anger, and manslaughter.

Only then, can the additional discriminators of CCW and LEO involvement really make hard and fast sense.

[Logical me]

Cops show up after your dead because you could not defend yourself. CCW holders live because they are the first in line in the crime. Which would you rather have. Death because of a late cop or life if you could react at the time of the crime.

What makes cops happy is they can play game catching the criminal. My way would have the undertaker to clean up.

[marktwain]

There really is a pressing need for clarity in these statistics. Suicide should be tracked separately from other homicide, and killing homicide needs to be subdivided as well, into murder-homicide, accidental-homicide, reckless-homicide and justifiable-homicide. Finally, murder-homicide needs the traditional subdivision for premeditated murder, murder in the heat of anger, and manslaughter.

The data in this article is for unjustified homicide. Suicides are not considered. All the unjustified homicides are lumped in together.

It is very difficult to obtain the data that could do what you want. The UCR is not very helpful.