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We’re Going Into the Greatest Depression: (shortened)
SHTF Plan ^ | 6/28/13 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 06/28/2013 7:26:10 PM PDT by Kartographer

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To: Cold Heat
The new and improved phoenix will rise from the ashes at some point

That's a self generated hope because it is not what the Bible says. Isaiah, Daniel, and Revelation all tell us the world will get much, much, much worse.

World wide totalitarianism is coming, and we all can now visibility see it's framework under construction: gun data bases, health care controlled by the government, food supply controlled by government, NSA Big Brother watching our book purchases, on-line viewing, e-mails, and phone calls, cameras everywhere, drones in the sky with cameras, and 1st, 2nd, 4th Amendment rights dead or dying a slow death.

The DOMA decision by the "supreme" court "justices" will usher in swift and brutal persecution of Christians, because it is that group that will refuse to bow. They will be charged with "discrimination" and "hate speech" and pastors and believers harassed and jailed.

Revelation tells us of coming plagues, famine, war, torture, and incredible outbreaks of calamity in nature (drought, earthquakes, increased heat of the sun, poisoned water supply, the list goes on).

It also warns that no one who is still around on the earth will be able to escape these trials. No one.

"Prepping" is never bad advice in terms of stocking food, water, medicine, etc. But it is no substitute for prepping one's soul before Jesus Christ.


101 posted on 06/29/2013 4:28:19 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
That's a self generated hope because it is not what the Bible says. Isaiah, Daniel, and Revelation all tell us the world will get much, much, much worse.

Exactly...I see people looking for some 'great revival', but there is nothing in the Scriptures about such an event.

102 posted on 06/29/2013 4:31:06 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: dps.inspect
Turn to Jesus, while there is still time and you have breath to call upon his name.

That is the most important 'prepper' advice of all.

103 posted on 06/29/2013 4:33:43 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Kartographer; Alamo-Girl; Vision; F15Eagle
So listen to what the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3

That is excellent advice. In my previous post, I noted that prepping was sound advice, but didn't associate my thoughts with the verse you quoted - thanks.

It is sound to take precautions, and to take care of your family.

I have been through 3 hurricanes in the last 7 years, and believe me, I know that being prepared is crucial.

I have to remind myself to include "prepping" for His arrival and prepping my soul.

"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."

Revelation 16:15

I though about that verse recently. Any sin that I have recently committed, and not immediately acknowledged and repented of, gnaws at me. As I see the world spinning out of control around me, I am constantly reminded that I need to keep close to Him.

104 posted on 06/29/2013 4:40:39 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: who knows what evil?; F15Eagle
Exactly...I see people looking for some 'great revival', but there is nothing in the Scriptures about such an event.

So true - there is a revival in the sense that in the middle of the Tribulation, many, many people in the world FINALLY turn to God. But why would people who are now given God's lifeboat of mercy wait for those days?

I am convinced that God allows such a horrible, terrible time on the earth to come precisely because He knows it is the last (and only) way to convince many of the stiff necked peoples of the world to finally come to Christ.

The US is no longer a Christian nation. Those who are Christians are now paratroopers behind enemy lines.

I got into a debate with a lesbian recently, and her first attack on me was to say "I AM a Christian!" She then proceeded to defend her behavior with her "wife", to viciously castigate the Bible for 1 Tim. 2:12-13, and then to deny all of Scripture as made up myths, stories, legends, and lies.

105 posted on 06/29/2013 4:47:29 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: PlanToDisappear; Clint N. Suhks; TheOldLady; Old Sarge; Darksheare; darkwing104; 50mm

I didn’t think you would last long here. Thanks to Clint N. Suhks

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3036988/posts?page=61#61

“You pro homosexual agenda “born that way” cheerleaders don’t belong here.”


106 posted on 06/29/2013 4:55:34 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: PlanToDisappear
BTW, you picked a great name.


107 posted on 06/29/2013 4:56:45 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Ursula the Viking Kitten has made her appearance on that other thread. She didn’t think to demean a prepper thread with the gore of her kill.


108 posted on 06/29/2013 6:03:30 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: SkyPilot

So many questions, so little time...


109 posted on 06/29/2013 6:08:52 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Paladin2

My husband agrees.


110 posted on 06/29/2013 7:16:50 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: RegulatorCountry; Southack; Kartographer; Iron Munro

One concern I have is that the Resident and/or pbtb might have already made a deal to give up our oil fields and resources to our creditors. We won’t own them. Perhaps we don’t own them even now.


111 posted on 06/29/2013 8:05:46 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Southack; Kartographer; Iron Munro

I’d like to clarify my previous post. Where I said, “We won’t own them.” I should not have made it as a pronouncement. I should have stated that in the scenario where such a deal with ptb had been made with creditors, we would not own the resources.

I’m praying of course,that all of this will not take place. However, the directive to get right with the Lord is the prevailing best advice available.

(LOL! Just realized I did a typo in my previous post - “pbtb” should have been “ptb” = powers that be -LOL! need more morning wake up chemicals!)


112 posted on 06/29/2013 8:19:04 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: laplata

Why 2015?


113 posted on 06/29/2013 8:34:17 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2

Mid 2015 seems to be the consensus of many. Who knows. We’re living on borrowed time.


114 posted on 06/29/2013 9:25:55 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: SkyPilot
The Bible is real good as a history lesson. But it's not too good at predicting future events..

If you want to know what will happen generally speaking in the future you can extract this from history, as history always repeats it's self.

Civilizations rise and fall....always, like a perpetual clock. We are not the exception to the rule.

So yes, I believe the phoenix always rises from the ashes only to die later, as predicted. The only exception that I can see to this rule is a scenario where the planet is actually destroyed by a event strong enough to do so. We can predict that will happen when the milky way collides with another galaxy or it could be sooner with a collision between earth and another chunk of rock big enough to do serious damage. But we can't predict when this will happen.

However history tells us something we can predict and that is the continual demise of sequential civilizations for as long as recovery is possible.

What we are seeing today is nothing more than the downhill slide of another one biting the dust.

115 posted on 06/29/2013 10:33:06 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat
The Bible is real good as a history lesson. But it's not too good at predicting future events..

We must agree to disagree. The Bible contains the most accurate prophecy in history that has been already fulfilled, but 2/3rds of the prophecy is does predict has not yet come true. It will come true.

116 posted on 06/29/2013 11:14:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: catfish1957

Is it fear or common sense to be concern about the national debit out of control growth?

Is it fear or common sense to be concern about the FED’s money printing?

Is it fear or common sense to be concern about the out of control muni debts with state and local debit of of control and beyond any solution accept bankruptcies which will slaughter those holding muni bonds.

Is it fear or common sense to be concern about the the growing amount fraud and racketeering being done by many of our biggest financial entities? Including their embedment in most government agencies that are suppose to be a watch dog for them.

Is it fear or common sense to be concern about nearly 50 million Americans on food stamps, 100 million on welfare, and no economic progress in sight, it won’t be long before the world as we have come to know it changes drastically?

Is it fear or common sense to be concern about that we are going on years now since the economy has even been able to create more jobs per month than people that are entering the workforce, much less create jobs for those who lost theirs. And that the largest part of the jobs being created are low level entry jobs or part time and that may business right now are turn what were full time jobs with befits into part time jobs with none due to Obamacare.

Speaking of Obamacare is it fear or common sense to be concern about the fact that already hard pressed are about to be hit with astronomical increasing in their medical insurance premiums?

Is it fear or common sense to be concern about who’s going to buy our debt now that both China and Japan are sliding?

Is it fear or common sense to be concern about the fact that real wages are slide to rates below the 1950’s?


117 posted on 06/29/2013 12:04:57 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Do you think that women are earning less today than they earned in the 1950’s?!


118 posted on 06/29/2013 12:12:59 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I think I have no idea if women are, but I do believe we all are.

Face it other than the oil patch you keep yammering about there isn’t any area of the economy that is doing well. Most are down, threading water, or doing mediocre at best. And when the new taxes kick in and the FED tappers it will leave no gas for the engine.


119 posted on 06/29/2013 12:18:37 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

You don’t get out much, then.

The highways are packed because people are buying cars because they are employed. That’s why you are kvetching about traffic being bad.

Restaurants are packed because people are employed.

Flights are packed because employed people are traveling to jobs and vacations.

The oil patch can’t hire people fast enough.

Web developers can’t be hired fast enough.

Phone app developers can’t be hired fast enough.

DNA programmers can’t be hired fast enough...the entire medical research field is going gang-busters!

3D printers. Electric cars. Cloud Computing and Data Storage. Web 3.0.

The U.S. is building a new LNG *export* port because we are producing so much natural gas.

Crowdsourcing. New books and movies are being crowdsourced by sites like Kickstarter.com.

Everyone who wants to work has a job.

The *only* able-bodied people who are unemployed are those who are too spoiled to move or change fields.

Slackers.


120 posted on 06/29/2013 12:29:26 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Not sure where you live....but highways are not packed here...You could not hit someone with a cannon in the shopping centers, and I see very little business activity change from what it was last year...

Sure there are some buying new cars but that is a seasonal thing..But what I do see a lot of is inflation....rents, food, utilities.....

This is showing up as profits for some public companies, however the euphoria will not last...


121 posted on 06/29/2013 12:42:07 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat

Your FR profile says USA. Well, the highways are packed in the USA.


122 posted on 06/29/2013 12:45:36 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I am in Arkansas...I just got back from a road trip to Alabama and Georgia.....I actually saw more traffic two years ago...


123 posted on 06/29/2013 12:47:20 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat

http://www.thecitywire.com/node/28272#


124 posted on 06/29/2013 12:50:15 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Here’s a clip from that article that pretty much explains any increased hiring nationwide...

“Service sector gains were primarily responsible for the improving employment picture except in Fort Smith where service growth......”

The growth is largely in the service sector that includes hotels, motels, restaurants and entertainment.....which is where are the hiring is...

Not because of increased business activity, but because of Obama Care. They are reducing the hours of all their full timers and hiring additional people to make up the loss...This way they keep the hours worked at 30 or less, exempting them from some of the regulations...

Housing sales of older homes have increased, but 90% of the increase is not first time or second time home buyers. It’s investors....

As far as I am concerned the economy is actually flat....has been flat...and will continue to be flat...with few exceptions...


125 posted on 06/29/2013 12:59:05 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat
“Service sector gains were primarily responsible for the improving employment picture"

It takes special blinders to see a negative in an "improving employment picture."

Congrats! Don't you dare let data get in the way of how you want to see the world!

Go tell people that the economy is lousy regardless!

126 posted on 06/29/2013 1:38:37 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I do because it is....

What we have had for the last 4 years is very close but not nearly as good as the Cater years when the word of the day was how high the “misery index” was.

Other new terms like stagflation were also invented, but you don’t hear any of that today. Not a word......

The fact is, that economic activity today is largely tied to inflation and to cycles that are based on planned obsolescence or simply the replacement of worn out crap.

I admire your positive attitude, but I can tell you frankly that it is not shared by many and it’s not because they are slackers...


127 posted on 06/29/2013 1:46:00 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat

Of course it is because they are slackers.

Jobs are plentiful, yet people are so *spoiled* that they won’t move to where the jobs are located.

They have excuses like “...but my Mom lives here, I can’t leave” or drivel such as “I’ve lived here for xx years and I’m not moving, the jobs need to come to me.”

So they want the economy to look bad so that they can blame the economy instead of looking like a slacker. “See, I’d work if a job was here but there aren’t any jobs.”

...but there are thousands of high paying jobs hiring people, even those with no college education.

www.rigzone.com

So the jobs are there and their lies are exposed.

They are slackers.


128 posted on 06/29/2013 1:50:00 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

I get out plenty, but I use my eyes not covered with rose colored glasses.

You repeated comments about dead beats reveals more than you know.

You words are those of the con man: “buddy have I got a deal for you.”

What ever you are selling I ain’t buying.


129 posted on 06/29/2013 2:03:01 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I’m just selling facts. Too bad that you aren’t buying.


130 posted on 06/29/2013 2:28:18 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Biggirl
The whole Zimmerman trial WILL end up in a mistrial, count on it.

I predict an acquittal and riots, then Holder files Federal charges against Zimmerman for violating Martin's civil rights.

131 posted on 06/29/2013 2:39:46 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Kartographer
Sometimes try reading an entire post before going off on the rails. I DID state that it was likely we will see some hard times. But nut job Mad Max prepper crazy is very poor advice to give to folks. (not saying you are) There are a lot of people sitting on huge gold losses due to panic.

To answer your "Fear or Common Sense" manifesto, I will use the common sense methodical "win in every scenario" approach every time. Tell me with 100% certainty that a two mile wide asteroid is going to hit tomorrow?, then I might talk a little about fear.

The items you listed are true poor economic practices, but those who avoid debt, have diversifying capital, and prepare "wisely" will be okay.

132 posted on 06/29/2013 2:44:45 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: Southack

He probably doesn’t get out of his Y2K bunker very often. :)


133 posted on 06/29/2013 2:45:59 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: Southack

Plenty of decent jobs here in SE Texas, as long as you are qualified. Again he doesn’t want to be bothered with the facts.


134 posted on 06/29/2013 2:47:59 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: Southack

Try selling fertilizer you be great!


135 posted on 06/29/2013 4:51:59 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: catfish1957

Then answer the questions. What does a hypothetical asteroid have to do with the questions I asked? Another flim flam man.


136 posted on 06/29/2013 4:58:29 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

You seem too desperate.


137 posted on 06/29/2013 5:00:24 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Kartographer
What does a hypothetical asteroid have to do with the questions I asked?

To make a point, because you spout crap that puts fear into people. Flim Flam? So what am I selling numbnuts? You are the flim flam bozo trying to scare people, when all they have to do is carefully and methodically plan their existence if there was an event that triggered harder times. How many people did you "flim flam" into metals before the bubble burst? Seems what you know about the economy and how things work there are pretty limited, so don't confuse people with your lack of knowledge.

138 posted on 06/29/2013 5:31:45 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: catfish1957; appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

You can’t get much wronger. In fact you just proved how little you know. I don’t believe in metals, I don’t have any myself and don’t recommend metals to others. Check my post and not only will you not find such a recommendations you will find statements from me that flat out state I don’t believe in metals. So far you never have answer a straight question and you assumptions have proven false. In fact check around you will find I give away a preparedness manual I put together for free. Profit is not and never has been my motive. Game, set and match.

Go with God and go in peace. I truly wish you and yours well what ever may come. I do what I do because I do wish all well and wish to see as many Children of the Lord make it through, because when we get to the other side we are going to need them.


139 posted on 06/29/2013 6:25:43 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: catfish1957

Get stuffed


140 posted on 06/29/2013 6:41:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Kartographer

Thank you, Kartographer.

You are appreciated.


141 posted on 06/29/2013 6:46:37 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Kartographer

As gunny says, hands outta pockets, head on a swivel, keep yer 5, and watch yer 6.

Copper, lead, brass, precious metals.


142 posted on 06/29/2013 6:55:00 PM PDT by glock rocks (Stand up!)
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To: catfish1957

So what am I selling numbnuts?


That’s rude and crude and uncalled for.


143 posted on 06/29/2013 6:56:27 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: catfish1957; Kartographer
Rude. Please shut up and kindly go away. Your *expertise* is not needed, here.

Those on Kart's ping list very much appreciate what he posts and has to say.

If you don't like it, stay off of the thread.

144 posted on 06/29/2013 7:34:54 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: Kartographer
Thanks Kartographer.

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145 posted on 06/29/2013 7:48:37 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: SkyPilot

Thank you so much for your testimony, dear SkyPilot!


146 posted on 06/29/2013 8:07:11 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Kartographer

Who the hell are you replaying to? I never wrote a freaking post about “metals.”

DON’T DO DRUGS!


147 posted on 06/29/2013 8:09:41 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: central_va

It isn’t cynical to suggest you paid the interest amount in the $26k price. Be sure they aren’t losing money on the zero lending rate.


148 posted on 06/29/2013 8:21:28 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: RavenATB

I’m fairly certain you were simply pinged to the thread.


149 posted on 06/29/2013 8:23:26 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: catfish1957
BTTT
150 posted on 06/29/2013 8:45:04 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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