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We’re Going Into the Greatest Depression: (shortened)
SHTF Plan ^ | 6/28/13 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 06/28/2013 7:26:10 PM PDT by Kartographer

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Buckle up kiddies it's going to be one hell of a ride!
1 posted on 06/28/2013 7:26:10 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 06/28/2013 7:26:47 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

There’s a Great Storm coming you can feel it and the great cities of Europe are on the edges of it now, soon it will consume them.

Its your choice you can prep or you can stand around on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring you a bottle of water, a MRE, a warm blanket and a kiss for your boo-boo and maybe you can even get your picture as you stand there on the national news.

Any one with half a brain can look around and see for themselves what is happening right before their eyes.

So listen to what the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3

One of the things Selco covers in this article is the fact that many will not accept that a breakdown is occurring even as they watch it happening before their eyes. Why don’t they realize it? It’s caused by a condition called ‘Normalcy Bias’ a mental state people enter when facing a disaster.

It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This often results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations. The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It also results in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.

A good article on ‘Normalcy Bias’ is on our own ChocChipCookies Blog The Survival Mom:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/12/29/normalcy-bias/

You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become their ‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

There is a Great article in my Preparedness Manual on building your on Bug Out Bag titled: A Highly-Mobility 72 Hour Kit-by Ward Dorrity. You can download the whole manual at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, cash (I myself have been putting up change for the past few years both for the metal content and the fact that using change places to make what purchases you can will move you down the the list of possible marks during shtf), tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Again I like to recomend FReeper’s ChocoChipCookie Blog The Survival Mom (Please Blog Police let this one slide!) Where you can get lots of useful information like:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/11/20/8-morale-boosters-for-any-worst-case-scenario/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/02/02/survival-priorities-the-rule-of-three/

And More

Also there is Ferfal’s Blog a survivor of Argentina’s first collapse:

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

And there is Selco’s Blog a Bosnian War survivor at:

http://shtfschool.com/

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger. Underestimation can be fatal.”


3 posted on 06/28/2013 7:27:50 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

And yet, despite all our misgivings, G_d is still in control.


4 posted on 06/28/2013 7:34:02 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: Kartographer

After the big collapse, will I be able to get the five buck lunch at the DQ? How much time do I have? Huh,huh?


5 posted on 06/28/2013 7:35:04 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Kartographer

What do you want to bet George Soros has a prepper island he’s going to when his work comes to fruition and TSHTF?


6 posted on 06/28/2013 7:37:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: Kartographer

Well then, let’s not wait until the last minute to get into a world war so we can get out of this depression.


7 posted on 06/28/2013 7:38:41 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: driftless2
will I be able to get the five buck lunch at the DQ

you will have to ask the QM at HQ

8 posted on 06/28/2013 7:38:52 PM PDT by bigheadfred (barry your mouth is writing checks your ass cant cash)
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To: Kartographer

I hope we have a while longer. I could use the time to be even better prepared.


9 posted on 06/28/2013 7:41:49 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

It could be any day but no later than mid 2015. IMO


10 posted on 06/28/2013 7:43:45 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Kartographer

I got your Tagline right here!


11 posted on 06/28/2013 7:51:17 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: TADSLOS

Where do we hide our money?


12 posted on 06/28/2013 7:56:08 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Kartographer
LOL!

The only marginally successfull “preppers” are those who are better armed than those who will convince themselves that it is “moral” to lie, cheat and steal from their neighbors, when the SHTF.

I agree the storm IS coming, but I doubt the people who failed to try and stop it, are the ones who will survive it.

13 posted on 06/28/2013 7:58:20 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: laplata

While it’s nice to prepare well ahead of time, the date people should prepare for right now is the Zimmerman verdict.


14 posted on 06/28/2013 7:59:39 PM PDT by PlanToDisappear
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To: DIRTYSECRET

money thats funny


15 posted on 06/28/2013 8:01:13 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Kartographer

Turn to Jesus, while there is still time and you have breath to call upon his name. These are the end of days, everyone knows it.


16 posted on 06/28/2013 8:01:57 PM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: Kartographer
"A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge lays down some fine wine,"
17 posted on 06/28/2013 8:01:58 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: laplata

I hope it’s at least mid 2015, I’ll be better situated then.


18 posted on 06/28/2013 8:04:08 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: PlanToDisappear
"While it’s nice to prepare well ahead of time, the date people should prepare for right now is the Zimmerman verdict."

I got prepared for that right after the Rodney King verdict.

19 posted on 06/28/2013 8:09:13 PM PDT by blam
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To: greeneyes

One thing is certain: We’re living on borrowed time.


20 posted on 06/28/2013 8:10:17 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: laplata

I heard that! True to be sure.


21 posted on 06/28/2013 8:15:16 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer

Yeah? But at least now we are winning the war on coal. /sarc


22 posted on 06/28/2013 8:18:59 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: laplata

Yeah, but thankfully we’ve turned the corner. Ahem!


23 posted on 06/28/2013 8:20:09 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Kartographer

Pretending that a Depression is coming is giving out some really poor investment advice.

The highways are packed because people have jobs and are making money. Flights are packed. Cars are selling. Home prices are up 12% nationwide in a year.

Major economic revolutions are in play, such as oilfield fracking, hyper-farming, 3D printing, DNA programming for new medical treatments such as benign HIV for childhood leukemia, Cloud Computing and Storage, Big Data, Web 3.0, electric cars, a private Space Race, and entertainment datastreaming services such as Netflix and HBO Go.

High-paying jobs are going unfilled because SLACKERS are too lazy and spoiled to move to work. Look at www.Rigzone.com for *thousands* of 6 figure jobs for people who don’t even have college degrees, for example.

Productivity is up.

...so the bottom line is that the U.S. economy is looking better each day.

However, a couple of great reasons to Prep are:
#1: MERS. Hyper-contagious new viri could change society overnight. And no, you won’t be able to go buy a handgun or ammo if you wait until cities start getting Quarantined. Hope you already bought some N-95 face masks!

#2: Near Earth Objects. NEOs are being discovered weekly, and two have made some disturbingly close passes to Earth so far this year.

One asteroid impact at the height of the Roman Empire changed History.

NEOs are low probability events, yet they have happened before (Tunkansta) and will impact again. If one hits, society will shift into a different sort of place overnight.

You won’t have electricity.
You won’t have gasoline stations.
You won’t have supermarkets.
You won’t have police response.
You won’t have prescription medicines.

Options for evacuating cities will be limited.

So it makes sense to have some level of preparation.


24 posted on 06/28/2013 8:21:59 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: greeneyes
yes I really need a couple of yrs...I know we don't have any choices though...

I need to get my house paid off...that bugs me because its a HELOC...interest floats...its been grand for several yrs but now rates are going up....

25 posted on 06/28/2013 8:21:59 PM PDT by cherry
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To: laplata

The one bright spot in the event of Great Depression II is all of this green gloBULL warming windmill and unicorn fart silliness will go out the window when there are multitudes literally starving.


26 posted on 06/28/2013 8:23:10 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

The one bright spot in the event of Great Depression II is all of this green gloBULL warming windmill and unicorn fart silliness will go out the window when there are multitudes literally starving.


Yep. And there will be no political correctness.


27 posted on 06/28/2013 8:27:49 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: greeneyes

Then again, the sooner it happens, the sooner this country can be rebuilt. That is if you believe it can survive at all.


28 posted on 06/28/2013 8:30:04 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: rktman

Yeah, but thankfully we’ve turned the corner. Ahem!


Yep, we’re in the 5th ‘summer of recovery’. Remember Joe Biden talking about being in a summer of recovery?


29 posted on 06/28/2013 8:30:11 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Paladin2

“”A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge lays down some fine wine,” “
_________________________________________

I agree ;) As I type this, I am enjoying my Spanish red wine, costing me just over $3 per ltr.
Being prepped for minor emergencies is wise and prudent, but stocking up in one location for a civil or natural disaster would be very iffy, depending on the disaster.
My prepping consisted of getting the H out of Dodge.
While disasters can, and do, happen everywhere in the world, I am living where I will not freeze or starve to death, even if I am broke and homeless.
Also, I can flee by land or sea.


30 posted on 06/28/2013 8:31:56 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Kartographer
Obama is going to “level the playing field” which means Socialism where everyone is poorer [except for the elites]. He will declare global alliances and government “solutions”, and that may be his angle towards never giving up power.
31 posted on 06/28/2013 8:36:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: AlexW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlMjdwb6HY0


32 posted on 06/28/2013 8:39:35 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Yo-Yo
>"let’s not wait until the last minute to get into a world war so we can get out of this depression."

Fear not. 0m0slem has forces on both sides of Israel.

33 posted on 06/28/2013 8:45:24 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: driftless2

They are gonna have a DQ in the FEMA camps. I will have to swallow a couple more diamonds to pay for that. We all deserve a treat now and then.


34 posted on 06/28/2013 8:56:23 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: PlanToDisappear; laplata
While it’s nice to prepare well ahead of time, the date people should prepare for right now is the Zimmerman verdict.

A.K.A., the Bonfire of the Cities . . .

35 posted on 06/28/2013 8:58:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: Yo-Yo

That’s a myth.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-wartime-prosperity/


36 posted on 06/28/2013 9:05:16 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Southack

You left out EMP attack, just three or four weapons over the US would send us into a Mad Max Thunderdome world, a year after which only a small percentage would have survived.

Read One Second After. Scary book.


37 posted on 06/28/2013 9:06:35 PM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: laplata

Long dang summer.


38 posted on 06/28/2013 9:12:59 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Kartographer
"The world is on the brink… politically, economically, financially, monetarily, and militarily."

Morally, too. If we still had strong national morals and values, we might be able to weather the storm. But we don't -- it's a dog eat dog society, so WTSHTF, expect your neighbors to turn into stark, raving barbarians who will do whatever's necessary to take what you have. Don't hesitate when the moment of truth comes.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

39 posted on 06/28/2013 9:14:44 PM PDT by wku man (Amnesty? No Way, Jose (No Se Puede!) by 10 Pound Test http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsTUQ8yOI2c)
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To: Kartographer

IMHO, When the SHTF silver & gold won’t mean a thing. People will sell their soul for a smoke. They will give up their food, children....They will do ANYTHING they are told to do for a pack.


40 posted on 06/28/2013 9:15:55 PM PDT by Djester62
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To: Kartographer

At this point I am actually looking forward to it.

The new and improved phoenix will rise from the ashes at some point down the road...

It will take a catalyst though....not sure when that will happen...


41 posted on 06/28/2013 9:20:15 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: PlanToDisappear

Preparing for civil disorder like the looming Zimmerman verdict should take advantage of cheap defensive technology now available (offensive technology like firearms are already in everyone’s mindset, so no real need to hype what we already feel comfortable with).

For example, defensive tech such as body armor is pretty cheap when buying surplus such as at www.bulletproofme.com .

As another example, window tint (film) can now bulletproof your home and car windows: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/565674671/NEW_16mil_Explosion_proof_Bullet_proof.html .

Hyper-power flashlights can be had for as little as $15, so powerful that they almost blind attackers (CREE’s T6 Ultrafire comes to mind at Amazon.com and eBay.com).

Bear spray is a must. One can could stop an entire street gang.

Ballistic fabric is cheap now: http://www.skarram.com/fabric.html

You can line your wife’s purse. You can use it to line your briefcase and coat so that you now have a shield. Budget permitting you might even line the inside of your car’s interior panels to up-armor your daily driver.

Get a big dog. Your wife or daughter should never be jogging alone. Jog with a dog capable of defending her. Dogs are also good for home defense.

You can pretty well see what risks are ahead. That’s almost like being able to predict the future.

Well, act on that! Predictions are useless if you don’t act. Sitting around won’t save you.


42 posted on 06/28/2013 9:25:39 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

A.K.A., the Bonfire of the Cities . . .
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Yep.


43 posted on 06/28/2013 9:30:48 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: rktman

And hot.


44 posted on 06/28/2013 9:32:06 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Southack

If all those economic positive developments will generate enough tax revenues to pay down our debts and cover all those SWAPS, derivatives, etc etc that banks are liable for (and taxpayers via FDIC) then all is well. Problem is the US has over 60 trillion in liabilities (fed, state, local gov debt) and I have not even started to add Soc Sec/Medicare/Medicaid unfunded liabilities to the mix yet. US GDP is about 15 trillion. Fracking, DNA, high tech innovations and etc is not going to cover these debts/liabilities. Wait till the Fed Reserve eases on the QE programs and bond buy backs and interest rates shoot up. Fed Reserve lost control and are at the mercy of bond vigilantes. Hint no more QE, market and bond prices crash, forcing the Fed to back track. While the US is trying to sort out its financial house the other major powers are not waiting for us. 2.5 percent GDP growth without accounting for inflation will not cover the 3 percent population growth. There are jobs in the fracking zones but not enough to cover the total number of people grad from HS and college. I do not think we will enter a Depression instantly but we are dying slowly. If job creation cannot cover population growth, in ten years what are we going to do with those who have no jobs or underemployed for ten years? The social and economic costs will add up. Gov and corporations do not help.


45 posted on 06/28/2013 9:34:48 PM PDT by Fee
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To: Kartographer

bttt


46 posted on 06/28/2013 9:38:59 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: sarasmom

the ones who aren’t prepared will be ruthless.....already, there’s groups of ferals that beat up and kill pregnant women, punch out young mothers, steal shoes from a skinny young boy....what do you think when they can’t get their usual fare?.....


47 posted on 06/28/2013 9:39:01 PM PDT by cherry
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To: AlexW
there will be no fleeing...if the world crashes, you will have a big old target on your back..think you're going to be getting your checks?...your health care?....

delusional....

48 posted on 06/28/2013 9:42:04 PM PDT by cherry
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To: laplata
Indeed, there will be no “political correctness”...only ballistic correctness.
49 posted on 06/28/2013 9:47:37 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: laplata

>>It could be any day but no later than mid 2015. IMO<<

[1] And as he was going out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him: Master, behold what manner of stones and what buildings are here. [2] And Jesus answering, said to him: Seest thou all these great buildings? There shall not be left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down. [3] And as he sat on the mount of Olivet over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him apart: [4] Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall begin to be fulfilled? [5] And Jesus answering, began to say to them, Take heed lest any man deceive you.

[6] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am he; and they shall deceive many. [7] And when you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, fear ye not. For such things must needs be, but the end is not yet. [8] For nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and famines. These things are the beginning of sorrows. [9] But look to yourselves. For they shall deliver you up to councils, and in the synagogues you shall be beaten, and you shall stand before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony unto them. [10] And unto all nations the gospel must first be preached.

[11] And when they shall lead you and deliver you up, be not thoughtful beforehand what you shall speak; but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye. For it is not you that speak, but the Holy Ghost. [12] And the brother shall betray his brother unto death, and the father his son; and children shall rise up against the parents, and shall work their death. [13] And you shall be hated by all men for my name’ s sake. But he that shall endure unto the end, he shall be saved. [14] And when you shall see the abomination of desolation, standing where it ought not: he that readeth let him understand: then let them that are in Judea, flee unto the mountains: [15] And let him that is on the housetop, not go down into the house, nor enter therein to take any thing out of the house:

[16] And let him that shall be in the field, not turn back to take up his garment. [17] And woe to them that are with child, and that give suck in those days. [18] But pray ye, that these things happen not in winter. [19] For in those days shall be such tribulations, as were not from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, neither shall be. [20] And unless the Lord had shortened the days, no flesh should be saved: but for the sake of the elect which he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

[21] And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; lo, he is here: do not believe. [22] For there will rise up false Christs and false prophets, and they shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce (if it were possible) even the elect. [23] Take you heed therefore; behold I have foretold you all things. [24] But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light. [25] And the stars of heaven shall be falling down, and the powers that are in heaven, shall be moved.

[26] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds, with great power and glory. [27] And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. [28] Now of the fig tree learn ye a parable. When the branch thereof is now tender, and the leaves are come forth, you know that summer is very near. [29] So you also when you shall see these things come to pass, know ye that it is very nigh, even at the doors. [30] Amen I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, until all these things be done.

[31] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my word shall not pass away. [32] But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father. [33] Take ye heed, watch and pray. For ye know not when the time is. [34] Even as a man who going into a far country, left his house; and gave authority to his servants over every work, and commanded the porter to watch. [35] Watch ye therefore, (for you know not when the lord of the house cometh: at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning,)

[32] Nor the Son: Not that the Son of God is absolutely ignorant of the day of judgment, but that he knoweth it not, as our teacher; that is, he knoweth it not so as to teach it to us, as not being expedient.

[36] Lest coming on a sudden, he find you sleeping. [37] And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch. Mark 13


50 posted on 06/28/2013 9:56:31 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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