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Bosnia's Gavrilo Princip and Ireland's Patrick Pearse - Heroes or Terrorists?
www.heroesofserbia.com ^ | March 19, 2013 | Carl Savich

Posted on 03/21/2013 10:54:38 AM PDT by Ravnagora

Aleksandra's Note: This increasingly timely analysis by historian Carl Savich was written in 2002, over a decade ago. At that time, it was being said that Gavrilo Princip "was all but forgotten." Now, as we near the 100th anniversary of the start of World War One, Gavrilo Princip will be anything but forgotten, as his name will once again become prominent as we mark a huge historical milestone. He was and remains permanently "infamous" for a single act on a single day in a single moment in time. The question of who he was will not be the controversial issue. The issue will be "what he was" as defined by historical context and our personal perspectives. Carl Savich, in his excellent analysis of the historic roles played by Ireland's Patrick Pearse and Bosnia's Gavrilo Princip, addresses that provocative issue of "definition" in a way that will leave you wanting to learn more and perhaps reconsidering your own perceptions.

Sincerely,

Aleksandra Rebic

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Bosnian Serb Gavrilo Princip

Ireland's Patrick Pearse

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Bosnia's Gavrilo Princip and Ireland's Patrick Pearse - Heroes or Terrorists?

By Carl Savich

The role of individuals in shaping events has been a primary focus of history. Why this or that person? Did the individual cause the event or did the individual merely participate in the event? Was the event inevitable, due to chance, or caused by an individual? What role did the individual play in the historical event and why?

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: bosnia; ireland; serbia; wwi

1 posted on 03/21/2013 10:54:38 AM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; vooch; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/21/2013 10:56:20 AM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

“Gavrilo Princip” was a STUPID SON OF A BITCH who killed the ONLY person who would have EVEN considered any measure of freedom for his homeland. Archduke Franz Ferdinand(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archduke_Franz_Ferdinand_of_Austria) was not a FLAMING A$$HOLE like the rest of the Austro-Hungarian “Royals”. The ONLY thing that came from this was Europe was set on FIRE. See: http://www.amazon.com/The-Guns-August-Pulitzer-Prize-Winning/dp/0345476093/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363889302&sr=8-1&keywords=the+guns+of+august


3 posted on 03/21/2013 11:08:32 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

—and then one of the worst mistakes of the twentieth century—Woodrow Wilson (largely the fault of Teddy Roosevelt)—got us into it, ended the stalemate and as a result turned loose Nazism and Communism on the world-—


4 posted on 03/21/2013 11:28:27 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Ravnagora

Princip just got lucky...

the terrorists plan was to blow up the car and kill the Arch Duke...

The bomb when under another car of some accompanying officials and killed some and wounded the rest...

the wounded were taken to the hospital...

the Arch Dukes driver sped away...

the Arch Duke wanted to visit his friends and peons in the hospital but his own driver didnt know which direction to go...

Meanwhile Princip is walking towards the river upset because the plan to kill the Arch Duke had failed..

he was extremely idealist and planning to drown himself in the river when lo and behold down the street comes the car with the driver, the Arch Duke and the Arch Duchess...

lost and still looking for the hospital and with no guards or other cars..

Princip had a gun and used it...

The Arch Duchess was wearing a white dress...the blood showed up brilliantly...

He wasnt feeling lucky but it happened..


5 posted on 03/21/2013 11:33:01 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Ravnagora

Pearse = hero.


6 posted on 03/21/2013 12:53:16 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Ravnagora
Eugen Schauman, the successful assassin of Governor-general Bobrikov and fully authorized dictator in Finland since 1903 might also be worthy of such attention. He is now refarded as one of Finland's national heroes.

Perhaps spmeday we'll see similar recognition of the killers of Seattle US Attorney Tom Wales or Colorado prison boss Tom Clements

7 posted on 03/21/2013 4:15:33 PM PDT by archy
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To: Ravnagora
Eugen Schauman, the successful assassin of Governor-general Bobrikov and fully authorized dictator in Finland since 1903. He is now refarded as one of Finland's national heroes.

Perhaps spmeday we'll see similar recognition of the killers of Seattle US Attorney Tom Wales or Colorado prison boss Tom Clements

8 posted on 03/21/2013 4:20:11 PM PDT by archy
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To: US Navy Vet
Here's a good thumbnail of the assassination;

( adult language warning )

“The Sandwich that Started a World War”

http://www.cracked.com/article_17298_6-random-coincidences-that-created-modern-world.html

9 posted on 03/21/2013 4:28:39 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: US Navy Vet; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Don’t hold back. ;’)


10 posted on 03/21/2013 5:39:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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WIKI SAYS:

"The six conspirators lined the route. They were spaced out along the Appel Quay, each one with instructions to try to kill Franz Ferdinand when the royal car reached his position. The first conspirator on the route to see the royal car was Muhamed Mehmedbašić. Standing by the Austro-Hungarian Bank, Mehmedbašić lost his nerve and allowed the car to pass without taking action. Mehmedbašić later said that a policeman was standing behind him and feared he would be arrested before he had a chance to throw his bomb.[8]

MUHAMED, note the name.

11 posted on 03/21/2013 6:07:32 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM)
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To: archy

You’ll appreciate this. I was out at the trap range with an old Browning A5 (16 gauge straight stock made in early 1914). A couple other guys were shooting and asked about the A5. I told them it was a Browning made before WWI. One of them, in a thick accent said “I’m Serbian! Gavrilo had a Browning, good gun!”


12 posted on 03/21/2013 6:22:47 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Ravnagora
A note on Patrick Henry Pearse (1879-1916). Known as Padraig Pearse.

"I have just done one of the hardest tasks I have ever had to do. I have to condemn to death one of the finest characters I have ever come across. There must be something very wrong in the state of things that makes a man like that a rebel. I don't wonder that his pupils adored him)."

Charles Blackader, the British officer who chaired Pearse's court martial. (Thanks to Wikiquote.

The carnage and human misery caused by the Serb nationalists, who touched off WW1, still boggles the mind. Yet I was in sympathy with them following their betrayal in more recent times.

13 posted on 03/21/2013 8:03:47 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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