Is It Fair For People On Food Stamps To Buy Prime Rib While Working Families Barely Survive?

TEC ^ | 02/16/2013 | Michael Snyder

[SeekAndFind]

Should we all quit working and jump on board the Obama gravy train? Of course I am being facetious, but when you are barely surviving does there come a point when it just becomes easier to give up and totally rely on the government? Today, the federal government runs nearly 80 different means-tested welfare programs, and many state and local governments have their own welfare programs on top of that. If you become an expert on those programs and you learn how to game the system, can you live more comfortably than someone that lives honestly and works as hard as they can and yet still makes less than 10 dollars an hour? Now, right from the outset of this article, let me make it abundantly clear that I do not believe that most people are abusing the system. As I have written about over and over, the number of Americans living in poverty is rapidly increasing because there are not enough jobs. There are not enough jobs because we are shipping millions of them out of the country to the other side of the globe, and we are also losing millions of jobs to technology. There have always been those that need our help, and because of the foolish decisions that we have made as a nation, the ranks of the poor will continue to expand. But it is also true that there are some people out there that are very brazenly abusing the system. For example, is it really fair for people on food stamps to buy prime rib and lobster while many working families barely survive? People like that are taking advantage of their fellow Americans, and they are making it harder for the people that really need the help to be able to get it.

Unfortunately, we are rapidly becoming an "entitlement society". Close to half the country lives in a home that receives some sort of monetary benefits from the federal government each month at this point.

In particular, the food stamp program has experienced explosive growth in recent years. Since Obama has been president, the number of Americans on food stamps has grown by more than 49 percent, and more than 11,000 people a day have enrolled in the food stamp program since Obama entered the White House.

And if you can believe it, the number of Americans on food stamps now exceeds the entire population of Spain.

Will we all eventually be on food stamps?

Actually, the truth is that there are millions upon millions of hard working American families that are desperately trying to make it on their own and that don't want to become financial dependents of the federal government. Unfortunately, it can be a little disheartening when you are barely making it from month to month and yet you see others using government benefit cards to buy luxury items.

The other day my wife came across a discussion on Facebook that really caught her attention. I thought that I would share with you all the post that got that discussion going. As far as I can determine, this woman shared what she believed she actually saw at her local grocery store, but I have no way of determining if this story is true or not. But I have seen quite a few similar stories of food stamp abuse in the past. Either way, I think the following story will be good to help spark a conversation about whether our current system is broken or not. All of the names have been removed so as to protect the identity of the woman that originally posted this on Facebook...

Okay...so, I'm going to go on a rant for a minute...just to get it off my chest...

**** & I went to the grocery store to pick up a few things because we were getting low...sooo, we pick up our 40% off chicken and buy one get two free items and proceed to checkout.

There is a woman ahead of us with a child about 4 years old. The woman, I couldn't help but notice....had beautiful fingernails, clearly professionally done...and I also noticed her brand new IPHONE...which she was talking on, and I think that is rude while you are being checked out. Her little girl was commenting on the TWO live lobsters in a bag on the checkout, asked if it was going to hurt when they get cooked, her mom brushed her off...at that time I took a look at what else she had on the counter...A HUGE roast, sirloin tips, shrimp, beef ribs and pork ribs...only the prime cuts... I thought to myself....mmmmmm someone is having a yummy dinner and must have a great job as I could not afford these things (not that I'd get my nails done anyway)....

So...the cashier gives her a total and what does she pull out of her wallet but a BENEFIT card!!!!!!! I had all I could do to contain myself...

Sometimes people need help, and I'm okay with that, and those who need it should get it....BUT...if you can afford the latest IPHONE and fancy nails then why in the world are the taxpayers paying for your LOBSTER?!!!! If she really needed help and food, she should have been buying the "sale" items...40% off chicken, buy one get one free cheese ravioli...you know, like the rest of us working class have to buy!

It especially makes me mad because there ARE PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP and can't get it...My son and his girlfriend and brand new baby aren't eligible for an ounce of help...they tried, she works days and he works nights so that they don't have to pay for day-care, they use inexpensive diapers and try to save money anyway they can, they struggle to make ends meet and to pay for their straight talk phones and to boot are paying off college loans...but they supposedly make too much...c'mon, really, he works at McDonalds and she works in a nursing home...lets be real here...those are the type that SHOULD get help...UGHHHH Our system is broken and something needs to be done about it!!!

There, that's my rant...kudo's to you if you managed to read the whole thing as I know it was an awful long rant....Gotta go work now, Thanks for listening.

In response to her story, dozens of people posted comments. Quite a few people said that they had seen similar things where they lived.

And the truth is that food stamps are accepted just about wherever you look these days. Just check out this shocking article: "Obama’s food-stamp nation: ‘We accept EBT’ signs are everywhere".

So is this kind of thing fair?

If not, what can be done about it?

What everybody can agree upon is that the number of food stamp recipients is absolutely exploding. The following is from a recent CNS news article...

When Obama entered office in January 2009 there were 31,939,110 Americans receiving food stamps. As of November 2012—the most recent data available—there were 47,692,896 Americans enrolled, an increase of 49.3 percent.

But this didn't just start under Obama. Back in the year 2000, there were just 17 million Americans on food stamps.

30 million more have been added to the program since then.

And of course food stamps is not the only federal welfare program that is being abused.

According to the Wall Street Journal, there has been a tremendous amount of abuse in the free cell phone program as well.

The U.S. government spent about $2.2 billion last year to provide phones to low-income Americans, but a Wall Street Journal review of the program shows that a large number of those who received the phones haven't proved they are eligible to receive them.

The Lifeline program—begun in 1984 to ensure that poor people aren't cut off from jobs, families and emergency services—is funded by charges that appear on the monthly bills of every landline and wireless-phone customer. Payouts under the program have shot up from $819 million in 2008, as more wireless carriers have persuaded regulators to let them offer the service.

A lot of people refer to those free cell phones as "Obamaphones", but the truth is that the program has been going on for a long time. It just has accelerated greatly under Obama.

So what is the solution to all of this?

Well, what we really need are a lot more jobs, but in the State of the Union address last night Obama simply rehashed a lot of the same tired proposals that he and our former presidents have been promoting for years.

If we continue to do the same things that we have been doing, we are going to continue to get the same results.

There is a reason why the percentage of the civilian labor force in the United States that is employed has been steadily declining every single year since 2006. We keep pursuing foolish policies, and those policies are steadily destroying our economy.

Sadly, many of our politicians appear to be engaged in some form of "doublethink". The things that they tell us will solve our problems are actually the things that are making our problems even worse.

For example, Barack Obama says that we need even more "free trade agreements" and that we need to integrate our economy into the emerging one world economic system even more deeply.

But as I have shown in article after article, the "free trade" agenda of the global elite has resulted in the loss of tens of thousands of U.S. businesses and millions of good paying U.S. jobs.

For much more on this, please see the following article: "55 Reasons Why You Should Buy Products That Are Made In America".

And of course Obama once promised that he would never "rest" until he had fixed our employment problems, but that hasn't exactly been the truth either. The following is from a recent article by Dan Gainor...

Back in 2009, the president promised never to "rest" until the job situation was fixed. Nearly four years later, he's done a lot of resting.

According to The Weekly Standard, Pres. Obama has had 83 vacation days overall and Factcheck.org says he took 26 of those in 2009. That means the president has taken at least 57 vacation days since his vow not to "rest."

But hey, he needs his rest. Life is rough. U.S. taxpayers only spend about a billion dollars a year on the Obamas. How is he supposed to scrape by on such limited resources?

Meanwhile, Americans are still incredibly pessimistic about the economy. The following is what one recent survey found...

• Eight in 10 Americans are skeptical that career and employment opportunities will be better for the next generation.
• More than half of Americans say the economy will not fully recover from the 2007-2009 recession for another six years; 29% believe the economy will never fully recover.
• 73% of Americans were directly impacted by the recession: individuals surveyed had either lost a job themselves or a family member/close relative had been out work because of the economic downturn.
• The majority of survey participants said college would become unaffordable for most young Americans.
• 56% reported having fewer savings than before the recession.
• More than half of those who were laid off or lost a job said they cut back on medical treatment or doctor visits.
• 40% of Americans have borrowed money from family or friends.
• Nearly 25% of participants said they have sought professional help for stress or depression.

And as you can see from the charts in this article, U.S. businesses remain very pessimistic about the future of the economy as well.

Unfortunately, those that are pessimistic about the economy have very good reasons to be so.

And as bad as things are right now, they are going to be getting much, much worse.

That means that millions more Americans are going to be wanting to sign up for food stamps and other welfare programs.

But what will happen someday when the safety net breaks and all of those welfare programs start getting cut back dramatically?

What kind of riots will we see in major U.S. cities when the international community insists that the U.S. implement its own version of "austerity" in response to a massive debt crisis?

Will we eventually end up just like Greece and Spain or even worse?

[berdie]

I think the theme I see in this thread is the extravagant groceries being purchased with EBT cards. It gives me pause as well.

About a million years ago when I was a kid, we fell on some serious hard times. We grew up on beans and rice, potatoes and hamburger based dishes (it was cheap back then...and is still cheaper than lobster is today)...oh yeah, and oatmeal. I still loath oatmeal.

I totally understand being nicely dressed or having a decent car that might be a hold over from better times. Everyone has a different situation. Like you said, not every EBT user is a deadbeat. But there is a lot of abuse in the program.

[PA Engineer]

You haven't walked a mile in my shoes either, moron.

Ditto. I grew up in poverty because my Father suffered a major stroke that left him a hemiplegic. My Mother went to work to raise the four of us and take care of my bedridden Father from the time I was six.

I started working when I was 15 and ultimately put myself through college during the inflationary Carter years. We did not qualify for financial aid because we did not fit the aid demographics. Reverse and overt anti-white racism was a live, well and institutionalized in the mid 70's. I literally went hungry during those years.

Both my Wife and I worked very hard to get to where we are today. We fit the model of the millionaire next door. We both drive cars that are over 9 years old. We are putting our Daughter through school and we have zero debt.

We try to save as much as possible for our retirement while at the same time watching our taxes increase and savings devalue with money printing. Every tax day we are furious. Our taxes exceed all our saving and expenses combined. We realized decades ago that taxes are meant to destroy wealth creation and not the rich. Even if one can save and invest, quantitative easing destroys that through stealth taxation.

Yes I watch our direct taxes paid and realize We are supporting three plus families. It is very much my business when I see frivolous purchases at the check out counter. We didn't get to where we are today because of a irresponsible lifestyle and yet we are struggling to maintain our savings because of a totalitarian socialist system.

So Catrus, how about you go screw you self-rightous socialist self.

[freekitty]

I agree. I was referring to everyone becoming slaves.

[Ezekiel]

This mealy-mouthed politically correct excuse for stating unpleasant facts made reading the remainder an exercise increasing blood presure and little else.

Especially the part with the unverifiable Facebook rant about the Mickey D's worker, girlfriend and new baby who "are the type that SHOULD get help." No mention by grandma of teaching her son about life's priorities.

The scammers enjoy delicacies stolen from someone else's table, but they are getting away with nothing. By their actions they witness against themselves.

Psalms 69:22 Let their table become a snare before them: and [that which should have been] for [their] welfare, [let it become] a trap.

Not too bright. Let them eat that lobster. With every swipe of the hand the EBT card generously "gives". The mark of the beast marks a certain type of character. Maybe the beast (animal) metaphor is useful for understanding the mark on one level as a type of scar/injury from a trap.

The one who makes a habit of sticking his fingers in the cookie jar (or lobsta trap as it were) will eventually end up with the lid smashed down on his hands. Busted. (Hear that, Obama?).

Should we all quit working and jump on board the Obama gravy train? Of course I am being facetious, but when you are barely surviving does there come a point when it just becomes easier to give up and totally rely on the government?

Here is the patience and faith of the saints.

[cynwoody]

The article author is a moron, but he does have a valid point about food stamps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII

[cynwoody]

Remember, food stamps is based on income. Stay out of debt, get paid in bursts, and some years you are “poor” despite wealth.

These days you could be worth five or ten million and, if you go to cash, still meet the income standard for food stamps, thanks to the Bernank and his idiot Board of Governors.

[CitizenUSA]

The people who are paying the bills have every right to be concerned about how their money is spent, and believe me, it's not being spent well. Plus, no one has a moral right to another person's property. No one! Need is relative, but even truly needy people have no moral right to reach in their neighbors’ pockets. It's called theft. It's immoral--a sin. However, it's like another poster wrote. The conquerors decide on terms for the conquered, not the other way around. The conquerors in this case are the people demanding benefits and the politicians who serve them.

[CitizenUSA]

BTW, anyone who has ever dealt with government should know that it’s inherently bureaucratic, inefficient, and rife with fraud. That’s the nature of the beast, and it’s why the best government is that government that governs least.

I’m really in the same boat as you. My wife and I have never asked for anything from anyone. We’ve always scrimped and saved and tried to be responsible Americans. Now we’re on the verge of seeing everything we’ve worked so many long years to obtain go up in smoke. The government is inflating or taxing away our wealth nearly as fast as we can build it.

The system is designed to protect the rich while keeping the riff raff down. The rich are in little danger of losing their wealth, the poor are given just enough to survive without ever becoming independent, and those of us in the middle are treading water as fast as we can just to try and stay ahead of joining the poor.

[left that other site]

Excellent analogy.

When we start hearing about executive orders that prohibit the purchase of food WITHOUT an EBT Card, then we will know for sure.

Though I am not a hard-core prepper, I always buy a couple of cans of soup or beans when they are on sale. Just in case the mid and post tribbies got it right!
It adds up...but I don’t think I have seven YEARS worth. I guess it is MORE important to “lay up Treasure in Heaven”!

It looks as though the bad guys are getting their mechanisms in place for total control of the food supply.

[Arrowhead1952]

About a million years ago when I was a kid, we fell on some serious hard times. We grew up on beans and rice, potatoes and hamburger based dishes (it was cheap back then...and is still cheaper than lobster is today)...oh yeah, and oatmeal. I still loath oatmeal.

I usually don't visit the blogger portion on FR, but did this morning. That statement sounds like the very thing I grew up on in the 50s and 60s. I cannot stand oatmeal either to this day.

My mother made shredded potatoes with seasoned browned hamburger and gravy. After I moved to Austin for a job, I made the same thing for myself. Just made myself hungry thinking about that.

[Ezekiel]

And it’s not just the EBT cards. It looks more and more like the Obamanation is destroying every facet of the country/economy/culture in order to force everyone to choose up sides. Truth, reality, and separation from that which is false and debased? Or lies, fantasy, and the safety and security within commune of the profane?

What is the regime to do with those not already on the Obamateam? Either beat them down to the point where they become corrupted (so that they will give in and embrace Looterville-Sodom), or beat them down (or worse) for refusing to comply.

Many are still fixated on literal tokens and symbols (e.g. barcodes, SS numbers, RFID) instead of the marks of inner character (or lack thereof) that motivate people to ride the beast.

There are those who value charity (often recognized by their extreme reluctance to take any), and then there are the thieves. How much longer until the ONLY people who are able to function within and benefit from the system *are* the thieves, liars, perverts, murderers, and the like?

The dragon has been spewing lies out of his mouth as waters of a raging flood, yet there are those who thusfar haven’t been enticed to lie, steal, cheat, murder, covet, or bear false witness.

Here is the patience and the faith of the saints (holy i.e. separated ones).

[444Flyer]

"...The drones will riot uncontrollably when they’ve missed their third meal..."

Look at what happened on that cruise ship, filled with people that could afford to take that trip. After a few days without food and shelter, still in the safety of the ship and knowing it wouldn't last for longer then a few more days. According to the reports, people were breaking down and freaking out within 48 hours of the mechanical fail. That's human nature.

When the poop hits (as it did metaphorically on that cruise ship), can you imagine how the Obama entitlement crowd is going to respond? Maybe that's what they have in store for us, build the machine and then purposely break it down and watch as America cannibalizes itself.

Satan's having a field day with this administration's willingness to follow along to his marching orders.

Noah's Ark

Obama's Ark

[left that other site]

Interesting illustration.

The difference is, perhaps, that People on the ship PAID GOOD MONEY for that cruise, whereas the recipients of gub’mint largess get their stuff for FREE.

[444Flyer]

Exactly. The metaphor is only in the broken down dilapidated vessel.

[left that other site]

And the illustrations were terrific!

It was a good metaphor though.

And of course, the lawsuits have already begun!

[444Flyer]

Thanks!:)

(Wonder if we can sue Obama? I can dream can’t I?;)

[left that other site]

That might be a good idea!

Sue the pants off him!

[djf]

Cigarettes, ice cream,
cadillacs, moonbeams...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agPcECFLi34

[Smokin' Joe]

Here's a quandry. While it is easy to resent people on 'relief' who seem to be living far better than those who are attempting to pick up the tab and make ends meet, too.

What happens when you give the government the power to determine what one group of people eat?

Why, of course, they will want to regulate the caloric and nutritional intake of everyone.

Don't want to go there.

However, it seems more than a little strange that someone who appears to be so prosperous is on "relief", and perhaps someone should be pursuing fraud charges.

Don't hold your breath, because case files are the life's blood of the entire social services bureaucracy, the more caseload, the more important the case worker, the more important the case worker, the more likely to get a promotion, which means a raise, which means better retirement...et cetera.

That's assuming they aren't signing up their possee for bennies to 'get over on the man'.

So, here's my solution.

You sign up for welfare, the clock starts ticking. Benefits get reduced, by 10% a year, with no penalty against your reduced benefits for making money in gainful employment up to the poverty level. (You can fill the gap, but you have to work).

No COLA type adjustments to benefits. You stay at the level you signed up, minus deductions for time in grade. (yes, inflation might add another effective deduction, but that's the cost of printing more money to pay for relief).

[Smokin' Joe]

It is irritating to be behind someone buying nothing but high dollar meat and paying for it in food stamps.

One, they might have been buying the best cuts, to turn for 50 cents on the dollar (or using the meat to pay a debt).

Two, they might have 'bought' the food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar or less and have been splurging.

Three, they might have been fraudulently obtained otherwise.

Last, not everyone who appears prosperous is, some are just head follicle deep in debt, although there used to be rules about what you could own and still get assistance; it could be in someone's name other than the beneficiary.