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The Mark of The Beast and Chick-Fil-A
National Catholic Register ^ | 7/30/2012 | Patrick Archbold

Posted on 07/30/2012 7:51:54 AM PDT by marcbold

"Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. "

There will be many antichrists before the world bears witness to the lawless one. The Church teaches us that " Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh."

Many suspect the scenario in my opening quote from the Book of Revelation (the mark on the right hand or the forehead that will be a requirement of commerce) will be a feature of the reign of Antichrist.

How about another bible quote?

"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."

When the day comes in which visible allegiance to that faith, which is against Christ, is a requirement of commerce, most people will go along with it. How do I know this? Because many people are going along with it now.

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TOPICS: Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: antichrist; chickfila; gay; marriage
My brother wrote this.
1 posted on 07/30/2012 7:52:04 AM PDT by marcbold
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To: marcbold

Excellent article! Thanks for posting it.


2 posted on 07/30/2012 7:58:33 AM PDT by nandrew
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To: marcbold
The eschatology on this is wrong. The "church" isn't going to go through the tribulation period because the tribulation period is *specifically* said to be a time of the outpouring of God's wrath upon the earth - and the churches will not undergo God's wrath, neither temporally in the tribulation nor eternally in the wrath of hell.

Surely there will be tribulations that the churches will have to endure, and have endured for the last 1950 years, and will continue to endure. But they will not endure God's special and specific wrath during the antichrist's tribulational period.

3 posted on 07/30/2012 8:01:04 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (not voting for the lesser of two evils)
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To: marcbold

I thought most Catholics were per-millenailists, thinking everything occurred in the first century.

Is that an incorrect perception, or is that view changing?


4 posted on 07/30/2012 8:03:41 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: marcbold

Your brother is a very good writer, and he is 100% right. Excellent, excellent article.


5 posted on 07/30/2012 8:04:39 AM PDT by Claud
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To: DannyTN

Not everything in the first century no. I believe we fit in the amillenial category:

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-rapture

We don’t ever use that language, so I’m not sure. But the general teaching is a reign of Christ on earth through the Church that began at Pentecost and will end with the Second Coming and the Last Judgment.


6 posted on 07/30/2012 8:10:54 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Yashcheritsiy

But this has been done before. It would be difficult to argue that the ten plagues against Egypt were anything less than an expression of God’s wrath, yet the Israelites were protected from the worst of them while still a captive people. God is not like us. We have collateral damage. God does not. All of his wrath will reach the appropriate targets and no one and nothing else, not even the least of the sparrows. I do not see any warrant in Scripture for two second comings, one of them secret, and the other public. It is all one event, and Christians of that era will indeed be faced with hard choices. But like captive Israel of old, God will preserve his people as he sees fit, because some of us will survive to see his coming.

Peace,

SR


7 posted on 07/30/2012 8:15:46 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: DannyTN

I think that is an incorrect view. The Church has always taught the Second Coming (in fact we say a prayer at Mass each Sunday attesting that we believe it will happen). But Catholics have long been warned off of reading the Book of Revelation by the Jesuits and other elements of the clergy who felt that “we” need “them” to interpret it for us.


8 posted on 07/30/2012 8:22:29 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: marcbold

I have thought since SCOTUS ruled on Obamacare that the reason those without the Mark of the Beast will not be able to buy and sell won’t be that it’s forbidden, but because the implementation legislation will impose a confiscatory tax on those who refuse the Mark and they won’t have any money with which to buy and sell. (All perfectly constitutional here in the U.S.)


9 posted on 07/30/2012 8:22:49 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: marcbold

Loved his last sentence.


10 posted on 07/30/2012 8:27:07 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (ABO)
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To: DannyTN

Incorrect perception. Catholicism doesn’t claim any knowledge of where and when.


11 posted on 07/30/2012 8:33:35 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: marcbold
I have often wondered what it would be like in the time of Antichrist when real Christians, those who refuse the mark, are scattered and seemingly alone. How will they know each other?

Simple. They will be the ones eating a chicken sandwich without a rainbow lapel pin.

Yes!

12 posted on 07/30/2012 8:53:43 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Although I respect your right to hold that opinion, I must mention that it is an opinion, and one this guy disagrees with.

http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/biblestudies/Definitions/PreTrib.htm

I post that because his story is rather similar to mine. I was a member of Assemblies of God for 18 years and was a pre-tribulationist at first. It is what they taught. Then I started studying on my own and reading various opinions and interpretations. I became a mid-tribulationist or, what the site above calls “post trib, pre wrath”.


13 posted on 07/30/2012 8:58:31 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: nandrew

Yes, quite good. Except for the business about “tolerance,” which is NOT a Christian virtue. We’ve been inundated with this notion for nearly a century and in the process have lost the fact that it is CHARITY, not tolerance, which is the virtue. As Christians, we’re not permitted to tolerate sin, which is exactly what today’s meaning of tolerance requires. We can and do tolerate bad language and grammar, waiting in lines, awful music, faulty products. Today’s toleration is nothing more than a democrat invention for silencing theists and conservatives.


14 posted on 07/30/2012 9:03:07 AM PDT by Mach9
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To: Mach9

He said Christian “concept” not “virtue.” I think there is a difference there.


15 posted on 07/30/2012 9:06:09 AM PDT by marcbold (kevorkian, death)
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To: wolfman23601
Incorrect perception. Catholicism doesn’t claim any knowledge of where and when.

Though it has been implied that the Church came into such knowledge through one of the reported apparitions of the Virgin Mary (though it is not biblical, and hence one assumes that again some clergy have put that out there in the name of self-promotion)

16 posted on 07/30/2012 9:11:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The clergy, I believe, are free to offer their theories, but there is no canonic dogma on the matter.


17 posted on 07/30/2012 9:18:49 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: cuban leaf; All

Well since we can know the signs of the season but not the day nor the hour, I have to go with a pre-trib rapture.

How can the rapture be a surprise if it is mid-trib or post trib? The 7 years tribulation starts with a peace treaty between Israel and the Anti-christ. Exactly 3.5 years into this ‘peace’ the Anti-christ sets himself on high in the new temple to be worshiped as God, and at the exact end of the 7 years Christ returns with the church. Doesn’t matter one whit to me what any expert says if it flatly and directly contradicts the Bible.


18 posted on 07/30/2012 9:29:26 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

I used to use the same argument you are using. Fact is, even with the mid trib scenario you won’t know the exact day or hour. But you will see signs of the season.

It could be argued that with pre-trib you would not see the signs of the season since you would be caught up before any take place.


19 posted on 07/30/2012 9:35:08 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

I used to use the same argument you are using. Fact is, even with the mid trib scenario you won’t know the exact day or hour. But you will see signs of the season.

It could be argued that with pre-trib you would not see the signs of the season since you would be caught up before any take place.

I accidentally hit post before I was done...

continued...

Also, it is possible that what I said above about seasons is bunk, and after the beginning of the “tribulation portion” we will know exact times, which is why he gives them to us. So we won’t know exactly when it will start, but once it does, we will know what to expect and when. I’m thinking out loud here. I have not studied this in depth for several years.


20 posted on 07/30/2012 9:37:02 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: BrandtMichaels

I used to use the same argument you are using. Fact is, even with the mid trib scenario you won’t know the exact day or hour. But you will see signs of the season.

It could be argued that with pre-trib you would not see the signs of the season since you would be caught up before any take place.

I accidentally hit post before I was done...

continued...

Also, it is possible that what I said above about seasons is bunk, and after the beginning of the “tribulation portion” we will know exact times, which is why he gives them to us. So we won’t know exactly when it will start, but once it does, we will know what to expect and when. I’m thinking out loud here. I have not studied this in depth for several years.

Continued again...

...choosing to stay focused on the present as opposed to speculation about the finer details in prophesy.

I am reminded that nobody expected Jesus to come on the scene as he did with the exception of John the Baptist. I have a feeling the end of this age will be similar. We will all be wrong.


21 posted on 07/30/2012 9:38:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marcbold

Very good article. The antichrist and his followers will be the embodiment of the spirit of the age.


22 posted on 07/30/2012 10:26:50 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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23 posted on 07/30/2012 1:30:55 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I am Catholic and have NEVER been warned about reading ANY part of the Sacred Scriptures. In fact, I have been taught that it is extremely important that I should do so....daily.


24 posted on 07/30/2012 1:46:19 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

PS. Some of those who encouraged me to read the Scriptures were good Jesuits.


25 posted on 07/30/2012 1:48:23 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. - Modified Descartes)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Huh? The book was accepted later than the others, but actually, it was the Protestants who had problems with it and regarded it as inauthentic (because it discussed things they’d rather have avoided, such as Death, Judgment, Heaven and Hell).

In the late middle ages, there was a huge amount of literature based on the Apocalypsis or Book of Revelations, and it set off a storm of millenarial speculation among Christians as the year 1000 approached. The reason people were discouraged from reading it on their own later was that they, in a pre-literate culture with not many other sources to counteract crazy ideas, tended to focus on certain dramatic concepts and give them a place they did not deserve.

These same people - or at least their 19th century American Protestant heirs - were busy dabbling in numerology and giving away their property and sitting on their rooftops waiting for the rapture every time a “significant” date came around.

So once upon a time, maybe people did need somebody a little more knowledgeable to intepret it for them. But this would have been a great disspointment to the many lawyers who profited off the attempts of these hapless millenialist Protestants to get their property back.


26 posted on 07/30/2012 3:07:40 PM PDT by livius
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"But Catholics have long been warned off of reading the Book of Revelation by the Jesuits and other elements of the clergy who felt that “we” need “them” to interpret it for us."

LOL.

That's absolutely hilarious, particularly since it's Protestant folks who first threw out portions of the Old Testament, then dreamed up dispensationalism and several other ways of interpreting the New Testament that claim that portions of the New Testament don't apply to Christians. Non-Catholic folks don't rely on Scripture, they go to great lengths to abandon or ignore Scripture. At best, they rely on a subset of Scriptue and even then there are tens of thousands of interpretations they can choose from to match their personal degree of accomodation to the pagan society.

I understand what a strong delusion the Great Escape is, but those anyone who is trapped in that heresy should at least try to get a fact about Catholic teaching right now and then. I have Catholic books from the early eighteen hundreds, mid eighteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds, early 20th century, and copies of texts much, much, older than any of those. Every one of them tells Catholics that they should read and study Scripture and not a one mentions any portion that should not be read. If I had ever run across anything like that I'd still be Lutheran, and I was anxious to find that very sort of thing to avoid having to admit I had been wrong for so long.

Catholics believe the entire Bible without reservation. The fact that they do not believe any of the interpretations heretics base their bestselling books on is proof The One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is His Church, not proof that whichever doctrine sells the most books is correct. The One True Church, like Scripture, teaches that there are difficult portions of Scripture which are often misinterpreted, not that there is any portion that should be avoided. His Church, like Scripture, is well aware of how many enemies of Christ twist and torture Scripture to suit themselves. Those who claim to be Christian and live like they're following Jiminy Cricket rather than Christ may have convinced themselves that Jesus Christ is a loser who will have to evacuate His people from His planet, but it's just not true. Anyone who thinks it is should do a lot of very earnest praying to have their eyes opened and their mind freed from the strong delusion they're under.

Given that the Scriptures teach us to rely on our prelates for the correct interpretation of the difficult parts, seeing people mock the command to "obey your prelates" is seeing someone who mocks Scripture whether the person doing the mocking knows it or not. Most of the mockers in this country are actually acting out of ignorance rather than malice, but it's a willful ignorance since the Truth is readily available to anyone who looks past the bestselling doctrine of the year and sincerely prays to be guided to Christ.

27 posted on 07/30/2012 3:58:05 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
The eschatology on this is wrong. The "church" isn't going to go through the tribulation period because the tribulation period is *specifically* said to be a time of the outpouring of God's wrath upon the earth.

Where does the Bible use the term tribulation to refer to God's wrath?

Christians are specifically told that they will know tribulation. And Matthew 24:21 says that believers will experience "great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be". This is NOT refering to his wrath, but to persecution by the antichrist. Clearly believers are not going to be taken out, or else Satan and his minion(s) will have no one to persecute.

When Jesus returns in the clouds 24:29ff and fathers believers living and dead (the 1st resurrection), THEN he pours out his wrath on the earth. This is not called tribulation, but rather wrath.

Believers will be beheaded during the tribulation and great tribulation, being identified because they specifically refuse to take the mark of the beast, which is the sole purpose of the mark: to identify believers so Satan can kill them.

28 posted on 07/30/2012 4:32:37 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Yashcheritsiy
The eschatology on this is wrong. The "church" isn't going to go through the tribulation period because the tribulation period is *specifically* said to be a time of the outpouring of God's wrath upon the earth - and the churches will not undergo God's wrath, neither temporally in the tribulation nor eternally in the wrath of hell. Surely there will be tribulations that the churches will have to endure, and have endured for the last 1950 years, and will continue to endure. But they will not endure God's special and specific wrath during the antichrist's tribulational period.

The antichrist is none other than the devil himself getting to 'play' his final role as sweet Jesus. Why suppose would 'God with us' get a visit from the devil, tempting Christ by twisting the Scripture? This was NOT done for Christ or The Heavenly Father's sake it was done so those who are able/willing would know what the first tribulation would be. Now apparently the majority of the peoples on this earth are going to 'buy' the role playing of the devil and bend their knees and worship him. That is according to the Scripture and nobody is going to get an early ticket out of town unless their soul returns to the Maker that sent it.

29 posted on 07/30/2012 4:58:51 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Mach9

What you say is so true.


30 posted on 07/30/2012 6:19:00 PM PDT by nandrew
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To: marcbold

Indeed he did say “concept.” And yes, there’s a difference. But toleration—whether as concept OR virtue—is not a Christian invention. Stoicism introduced the concept of toleration and it had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with charity. It was about inuring self to environment. Christ never said or implied that toleration could replace love, charity or kindness.


31 posted on 07/30/2012 6:41:25 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: nonsporting

That should read “gathers the living and the dead”, not “fathers” (a typo)


32 posted on 07/30/2012 9:06:03 PM PDT by nonsporting
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