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FReepathon Day 46!!
Posted on 11/14/2011 11:34:43 PM PST by Kevmo
The Cold Fusion Ping List
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles
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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:
1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos
4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,
5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,
6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,
8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]
10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out
then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.
Convince me: Why is Rossi onto something?
Rossi isn't a scientist.
Are Stremmenos and Levi on Rossi’s payroll, or is Sterling Allan’s Leonardo website a fraud?
I can buy or build a hydrocarbon powered genset. Yes, I can actually machine the parts for the engine and wind the alternator. I know they work.
Proof=pudding.
The author of this piece discounts history in transition from one source of energy to another.
Great Britain, wood to coal. US, wood to coal to petroleum.
Those changes were abrupt, quick, and disruptive.
I suspect the next change will be the same.
There are plenty of hydrocarbons on Titan, if we want to go get them.
I remain, agnostic. Show me.
/johnny
The same goes for hydrocarbons on Earth.
The whole article (the above is just an exerpt) is worth a read
True, but on Titan, there are less @$$holes to drill through to get to the hydrocarbons. ;)
/johnny
The problem I have with the numbers presented is that they all deal with power, not energy which is power*time. The right units are kilowatt hours not kilowatts. I do believe that measuring the energy is a fairly trivial exercise but the numbers presented do not show this; they show power which is not the same and only part of the story. And not the interesting part either. The way this is presented smells of fakery because it would be easy to do the right measurements and calculations, they are just not being done and sufficient detail is not provided to do them at this remove.
Andrea:
Never trust a man with a woman’s name.
A truism if there ever was one!
It may or may not be quick, it all depends on how simple and practical Rossi’s machines are to install.
With the previous transitions, much of it had to do with the fact that we were running low on convenient and low cost supplies at the time, much of it due to the limits of technology of the day.
SCAM, scam and more SCAM
Actually yes it is - up to the point where they talk about Rossi (on whom I’ve yet to form an opinion). Information on which we should all be savvy is contained therein. For example, if I read it right, 1.7 gallons of fossil fuel to produce 1.0 gallon of biofuel - which in turn is 33% less efficient. He runs the gamut of all the “traditional” alternative energy sources.
Though I’m skeptical about Rossi for other reasons, that’s an immaterial argument. Discoveries frequently come from outside the field.
Long dissertations are not necessarily convincing. Brevity is much appreciated.
We shall soon see either a scam disintegrate or a new energy source.
When the dust settles, I’m betting it’s just another scam. Rossi has been known to do this in the past.
So to claim proof we need to have input to the magic box in KWh and the output in KWh and then we need to figure out the maximum stored energy in the magic box part of the system we are not allowed to examine. This also needs to be in KWh to keep things simple and consistent.
We can know the maximum volume of the magic box. Given this volume we should easily be able to determine the maximum stored energy. Simply pick the densest energy storage method possible, multiply that by an order of magnitude (10 for those in Rio Linda), and you have a fairly conservative number for maximum stored energy. If the stored energy in the magic box exceeds this number you have a whole 'nother breakthrough which is interesting in its own right. We'll call this stored energy Z. This is also measured in KWh.
So, the canonical experiment is this. You pump X energy into the magic box, measured in KWh. You measure Y energy coming out, also in KWh. When Y - X >= Z (maximum stored energy calculated above) you have something interesting.
As far as I can tell this experiment has not been done. In the work that has been presented, input is measured in KWh and output is measured in temperature and the volumes of water involved are never quite specified. Not quite enough information is provided to do the relevant calculations.
So, color me skeptical.
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