[Mycroft Holmes]

The problem, as simply as I can state it, is that Rossi has a Magic box that he wants to sell. This box can be characterized as a system into which you feed energy (measured in KWh) according to a set of rules. This system outputs energy as heat. Heat is usually expressed as a change in temperature of a mass of a particular substance, usually water. But this translates directly, with the appropriate unambiguous calculations, into KWh.

So to claim proof we need to have input to the magic box in KWh and the output in KWh and then we need to figure out the maximum stored energy in the magic box part of the system we are not allowed to examine. This also needs to be in KWh to keep things simple and consistent.

We can know the maximum volume of the magic box. Given this volume we should easily be able to determine the maximum stored energy. Simply pick the densest energy storage method possible, multiply that by an order of magnitude (10 for those in Rio Linda), and you have a fairly conservative number for maximum stored energy. If the stored energy in the magic box exceeds this number you have a whole 'nother breakthrough which is interesting in its own right. We'll call this stored energy Z. This is also measured in KWh.

So, the canonical experiment is this. You pump X energy into the magic box, measured in KWh. You measure Y energy coming out, also in KWh. When Y - X >= Z (maximum stored energy calculated above) you have something interesting.

As far as I can tell this experiment has not been done. In the work that has been presented, input is measured in KWh and output is measured in temperature and the volumes of water involved are never quite specified. Not quite enough information is provided to do the relevant calculations.

So, color me skeptical.

[Wonder Warthog]

"In the work that has been presented, input is measured in KWh and output is measured in temperature and the volumes of water involved are never quite specified. Not quite enough information is provided to do the relevant calculations."

You have to remember that most of this information is transmitted from "science type people" to reporters to us, with a translation from Italian to English thrown in. Errors are to be expected. Go to the LENR-CANR.org "Library" section and read the original reports. You'll find all the information you need, including temperatures and volumes of water.

[FreedomPoster]

Bingo. Until someone with a serious Thermodynamics background has full access to the device for testing, it is vaporware to me.

[Kevmo]

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake)
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

Nice post.