Posted on 11/08/2009 1:54:07 PM PST by MNJohnnie
Ok, I hear around Free Republic those who argue "the GOP is hopeless, Conservatives got to form a third party".
Now without debating the merits of if a third party is, or is not, the route to go for Conservatives, tell me what you put in the political platform of such a replacement party?
Think of it this way. You are actually writing the plank to put in the platform, what do you personally want put in there?
Human nature is human nature. We're flawed. There is NO WAY to achieve a pure political party--not possible!!
I’d start with a flat tax.
Assisted or forced?
Id rather just kick out the rinos.
Self, third parties don’t win.
I’d jump at a party with the libertarian domestic policy and the Republican foreign policy.
That not a political platform, that is another way of advocating anarchy.
We don’t need a third party. We need to take back the GOP from the ball-less appeasers, that’s all. Tell each and every one of them how to vote, period. If they violate that directive, fight against them in their next re-election, period. I’m just waiting for one of my two Senators to try and make a stab at rationalizing healthcare, or Amnesty, or Global Climate Change, or ANYTHING that Obama wants. Just try it!
Hard to argue with that. But is anarchy any worse than what we’re facing now?
Patience. Because it wouldn’t see success for about 20 years.
Good idea. I agree
Based on what’s been happening lately, I would like
to see each individual candidate sign a release that
state’s if they change political views mid stream they
will resign immediately and a special vote by We the People
will take place. In order to fix the problems we need
to start at the top - which is where all the problems
are in the first place.
Somalia? Seen it?
Here are a few but many more listed:
Not the point. I am waiting to hear what all the people who spam thread after thread that “Conservatives need to form a third party” what they want the party to be.
Neither will a GOP controlled by Liberals.
Yeah. And your point?
Strict adherence to the enumerated powers would be first and foremost.
Term limits: one term for Senators, three for Reps, two for Pres and VP.
Return the Senate selection to the State Legislatures, as was intended. The Senate should be the voice of the States in the Federal government structure, and the House should be the voice of the people.
Fair Tax in place of Income taxes, abolish the IRS and all forms of graduated income taxation. Scrap all excise taxes, as well.
Undertake an immediate review of the Constitutionality of EVERY Federal bureau, office, agency, and programs. Scrap those that do not pass muster.
“Never thought I’d say this, but the official Liberterian Party platform is lookin’ pretty good to me at this point.”
On Friday night I was looking on a thread about Rand Paul, who is running as a Republican for the Senate in Kentucky. I wanted to see if he was a fruitcake like his dad (a legendary Libertarian).
He was. He had national defense and a balanced budget swapped (he had a balanced budget first). In other words, what good is a balanced budget if you’re not defending your country and how well would that strategy have worked during World War 2, when our deficit in 1944 was something like $10T in today’s dollars (as percentage of GNP). If we had balanced the budget in 1944, no doubt the Libertarians would have been happy...and so would have the Germans and the Japanese.
So, me too, I’m interested in knowing what this third party would stand for, other than dividing Republicans down the middle so that the Dems can own this country for generations.
Constitution and Platform
Constitution
As free citizens of the United States and founders of America’s Independent Party, we stand in agreement with the founders of our American Republic. Following their example, we declare to the world that our first governmental premise is the self-evident truth that our rights to life, liberty and private property come from our Creator God and are therefore unalienable. With those patriots, we understand that just government can only exist by the consent of the governed.
Our pledge, individually and corporately, is to seek to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. We will diligently work to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity, and thereby fulfill the stated purposes of the Constitution of the United States and this organization.
In recognition of the multitude of ways in which our nation’s leaders have departed from America’s founding principles, we hereby petition local, state and federal government for redress of such grievances, with the urgent imperative demand that each and every officer of government henceforth faithfully perform their sworn duty to defend innocent human life and constitutional republican governance.
Our work is dedicated to our God; to all the patriots who came before us in self-sacrifice for liberty; to all of those who now faithfully serve our country; and to the posterity that will enjoy the blessed fruit of all their labors.
Together, as Americans, let us find the principled grounds for cooperation that will allow us to fully restore moral government of, by and for the people.
E pluribus unum.
Platform
Preface
America's Independent Party has as its goal the return of our nation to a set of foundational principles. We call them "America's Principles." The word "principle" comes from a Latin root that means "first things." America's Principles are the "first things" that our country should consider in all of our domestic and foreign policies.
America's Independent Party recognizes that these "first things" are clearly defined in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States.
However, we also believe that there is room for debate over prudential policy matters within certain parameters of fundamental American political thought and a framework of ordered liberty. We seek a return to an approach to government that facilitates that respectful and necessary debate, but that never compromises the moral premises that made this country great.
Our civic duties
Though in civic terms we call ourselves "Independent," we fully acknowledge our utter dependence, as individuals and as a nation, on Almighty God and His divine Providence and Protection.
We also recognize, and seek to actively fulfill, our God-ordained obligations as individual citizens to the whole sovereign body of the people, as well as our responsibility to maintain standards of high moral character, both personally and in our public life.
Equal rights for our posterity
Because the stated ultimate purpose of the United States Constitution is "to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our posterity," we recognize the personhood of all unborn children and their protection by the Fifth and the Fourteenth Amendments.
The right to life of all innocent persons, from fertilization to natural death, is God-given and unalienable. That is why we consider it to be a moral imperative to fully establish in law that Personhood is granted by our Creator to all human beings from the very beginning of their biological development.
For the principled man or woman, no compromise is possible concerning such a critical matter of life and death. We believe that violators of this supreme right, in words or actions, are unfit for any office of public trust, since any such violation constitutes the breaking of the oath of office and the ultimate destruction of the very basis of our liberty.
The “reason for being” of government, and of America’s Independent Party
The protection of the life, liberty, and private property of the people is the primary reason for the existence of human government, and more particularly, our precious American republican form of self-government. This is why we willingly accept no breach of the rights of the free exercise of religion, free speech, free press, free assembly, free association, and the right to petition government for the redress of grievances. We defend all of the enumerated rights listed in our Bill of Rights, and, in addition, all natural rights that are not enumerated, as per the Ninth Amendment.
The Right to Keep and Bear Arms
The right of self-preservation and self-protection is inherent in all persons, communities and societies, which is why we fiercely defend the indispensable provisions of our Second Amendment. Liberty cannot be protected if the people have been stripped of the physical means of doing so.
Restoring limited government
We seek to restore the intended balance between the three separate branches of our government, and to strictly limit government to the Enumerated Powers granted and expressed by the will of the people of the United States in our Constitution.
All existing functions of the Executive branch that are outside of those Enumerated Powers must be eliminated.
All spending and regulation by the Legislative branch that lies outside the Enumerated Powers must cease.
Judges who attempt to legislate from the bench, or who abandon the clear principles of our Constitution, must be checked if liberty and justice are to prevail in our society once again.
We demand a return to adherence to the provisions of the Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Peace through Strength
We believe in a supremely strong, prepared, and well-equipped civilian-controlled United States military, and a bold, visionary and intelligent program of principled constructive engagement with the rest of the world. For us, "peace through strength" is not a mere slogan. It is the means of survival for our country in a very dangerous and often hostile world. Our friendship should be a sought-after possession of all men and women of good will everywhere in the world. Our enmity should be something that all rightfully fear.
As Ronald Reagan opposed and defeated the designs and desire of the Soviet Union to dominate the world and place it under the tyranny of their Evil Empire, we stand unalterably opposed to all who approve of, plan or commit terrorist acts. Since the first principle of America is the protection of innocent human life, any who would use acts of terrorism targeted at innocent civilians to forward their political, ideological or religious aims incur our effective and determined enmity.
Sovereignty
We completely oppose any action that surrenders the moral, political or economic sovereignty of the United States and its people, and demand the immediate restoration of that sovereignty wherever it has been eroded.
We demand the immediate securing and continuous vigilant maintenance of our sovereign territory and borders. We oppose any private or governmental action that rewards illegal entry into the United States in any way, and demand speedy and full enforcement of our laws concerning all such activities.
Repeal of the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendments
We consider the federal income tax to be destructive of our liberty, privacy, and prosperity. Therefore, we are working to bring about its complete elimination and the repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. We recommend that the current system be replaced by an equitable, simple, noninvasive, visible, efficient tax, one that does not destroy or even infringe upon our economic privacy and liberty.
We also call for the repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment. Its enactment greatly reduced the power of our state legislatures and state governments – which are much closer to the people – and damaged our system of federalism.
Marriage and the natural family
We seek the passage of a Federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, and oppose all attempts everywhere to redefine marriage as being anything but what it has always been: the union of one man and one woman. Since the natural family is the basic God-given institution of our civilization, and the nursery of our future, it must be protected from all who would destroy it.
America’s Principles work
America's Independent Party is a principled party, but it is also a practical party. We believe that America's Principles work whenever the people diligently put them into practice.
We invite all like-minded Americans to join with us in our fight to restore and protect Liberty.
Truly, this is intended to be AMERICA’S Independent Party.
Approved in Convention August 20, 2008
© 2008 America’s Independent Party
No S&!T
Somalia is a nation ruled by anarchy.
It can get much much much worse here then what we face now. You know it. You have seen it.
We may yet see it here but that time has not yet come.
And very large numbers of people like us are going to have to be murdered by the Government before it can happen here.
All RINOs would be forced to join the third party.
Conservatives would take over the GOP.
Sarah Palin will lead the way.
Opinion on Ron Paul?
Eliminate 'czars'. All cabinet level positions should be subject to Congressional approval.
Divest holdings in Auto and Banking industries, let them sink or swim. Stop the stimulus.
Cut taxes.
No Cap and Trade.
Get the government back out of health care. (No insurance mandate, tort reform).
Halt the propagation of additional gun control laws and roll back the current restrictions on law-abiding people.
Make English the official language. (If I can supposedly learn a new language in two weeks as the TV commercials say, why aren't those commercials presented in Spanish?)
Drill here, drill now. End obstructionist policies which will not even let the oil companies drill in areas they have leased with environmental safeguards in place.
Facillitate the development of energy infrastructure by private industry, including refineries, pipelines, power plants, and electrical distribution networks.
Close the borders, especially the Southern Border, as much as is possible, to unhampered infiltration.
No amnesty, just 60 days to go home. Americans are getting hungry out there, and they want the jobs.
End 'special treatment' in the form of set-asides, quotas, etc.
Civility, not political correctness should be the dominant meme, and no 'class' should enjoy unequal protection under the law. Do away with 'hate crime'. (A crime is a crime is a crime, let motivation be addressed at sentencing).
Put the means in place to verify the constitutional eligibility of all Federal candidates by producing the original or certified copies of documentation well in advance of the primary.
Keep our military strong; providing for the common defense of the states is a Constitutional mandate.
De-fund the NEA, let the market decide.
Cease providing funding to special interest groups.
Remove Federal mandates in re education, only standardized testing and oversight for comparison purposes. Let the school districts spend the money as they see fit, let the local people decide if that has been done correctly based on standardized test results.
No 'fairness doctrine'.
Sorry, the PLATFORM is neither the issue nor the party.
How about we just use the present GOP’s Platform, They aren’t using it.
“So yes, the Liberterians are lacking in certain areas. But they’re a damn’d-sight better than the dems and pubs where civil liberties are concerned.”
We’re all entitled to our opinions. To me, possibly, the single fastest way to lose our privacy is to have EVERY car trip we take entered into a database. CATO seems just fine with that, if that is the price for privatizing the roads (a concept which they love) - and CATO is a first and foremost a libertarian think tank.
So, to me, it’s obvious what a LIBERTARIAN viewpoint should be when it comes to car transportation - and that is that ALL highways should be free and that people should pay for them through the gas tax (or electricity tax, if cars become electric). Once you start collecting tolls, you, by definition, will have the infrastructure in place to monitor people’s movements - and if you privatize all of the roads, you will be tracking people from the second they start their engine. We had more privacy in Roman times that what we’re dealing with here.
If CATO cannot figure out something THAT SIMPLE, then I don’t see ANY benefit from Libertarians.
And what is the issue?
HAAAA short nasty and too the point. It was a beautiful thing.
This nation in on the ropes. If the senate goes along with the house, this nation is probably finished. By the time you replace the Republican party, there won't be anything left to fix.
There may not be anything left to fix anyway. RINOs exist because their voters like them. I don't buy it that a majority or even a plurality of Americans are conservative. Acting conservative makes you one as does voting that way. Saying you are in a poll doesn't.
GOP is walking dead. Nothing more than moderate liberals. I vote we go back to the Articles of Confederation using the Federalist Papers as a guideline.
The professional political class is the issue, the few thousand of us who have learned the odd combination of sycophancy, fundraising and marketing needed to get a hold of the levers of power. They belong to one of the two major parties and they no longer feel any real need to care about the average citizen.
The GOP Platform ain’t bad, many of the third parties over the years had awesome platforms, but no money, no activists and no candidates.
No the real problem is the new aristocracy, those members of Congress, Governors, and other six figure elected and appointed ‘Masters of the Universe” who neither feel they need us nor need to listen to us.
Drawing up the “perfect platform’ is an exercise in elementary political science, not practical realpolitic.
imho.
ymmv.
"We pledge to endeavor and strive to attain one percent (1%) of the popular vote in national elections"
"We pledge to tirelessly seek monetary contributions so our national convention may be held at a venue other than the meeting room at McDonald's"
"We pledge to malign, smear, and misrepresent candidates of the Republican Party, particularly Sarah Palin"
HAAAA Good answer.
So right now we have 3 choices that I can see...vote Dem, vote GOP, or vote 3rd party.
Voting Dem is a non starter.
Voting GOP has gotten us what exactly except for the Class of 94? And then it was the GOP itself that blew that opportunity.
I don’t see the GOP as the salvation for our country.
Oh, you must be talking about the GOP Presidential candidate and his campaign.
“But can you make a case FOR the Republicans?”
Not very easily...you do have a point.
I just think that we CAN take back the party from the IDIOTS that keep listing to the media. I keep trying to come up with a good analogy for the media giving the Republicans ‘advice’, but I keep coming up short.
Maybe sports would make more sense. Figure it’s the Super Bowl, and it’s Pittsburgh against Arizona. The Arizona coach states that the Pittsburgh defense needs to concentrate much more heavily on the run (rather than the pass). If Pittsburgh were run by the Republicans, sure enough, they would spend their last week concentrating on the ground game, while Arizona works on the final touches on their pass game. Obviously, a real coach for Pittsburgh would ignore the Arizona advice and possibly do just the opposite...knowing that the advice is meant to make them fail.
But (most of) the Republicans still haven’t figured out that taking advice from people that WANT YOU TO FAIL (like the media) is generally not a good idea.
“We Can’t Possibly Win Anything, Ever”?
If they really cared about the issues they claim they do, they'd stay in the Republican party and strengthen it, run for office and then govern.
These cowards don't want to be elected to office or they'd be running as Republicans.
I can talk like this because I was once sucked in by the Constitution Party and then my eyes were opened.
They'll be losers, that's what they'll be and they'll elect RATS in the process.
LOL. That would make a great tagline.
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