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American leaders don't need to apologize to Europe.
Operation Itch ^ | 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 10/29/2009 6:38:58 PM PDT by Ravnagora

How many Europeans are buried on American soil defending America from her enemies...

The American Cemetery at Aisne-Marne, France. A total of 2289 of American military dead.

The American Cemetery at Ardennes, Belgium. A total of 5329 of American military dead.

The American Cemetery at Brittany, France. A total of 4410 of American military dead.

Brookwood, England American Cemetery. A total of 468 of American dead.

Cambridge, England. 3812 of American military dead.

Epinal, France American Cemetery. A total of 5525 of American Military dead.

Flanders Field, Belgium. A total of 368 of American military dead.

Florence, Italy. A total of 4402 of American military dead.

Henri-Chapelle, Belgium. A total of 7992 of our American military dead.

Lorraine, France. A total of 10,489 of our American military dead.

Luxembourg, Luxembourg. A total of 5076 of our American military dead.

Meuse-Argonne. A total of 14246 of our American military dead.

Netherlands, Netherlands. A total of 8301 of our American military dead.

Normandy, France. A total of 9387 of our American military dead.

Oise-Aisne, France. A total of 6012 of our American military dead.

Rhone, France. A total of 861 of our American military dead.

Sicily, Italy. A total of 7861 of our American military dead.

Somme, France. A total of 1844 of our American military dead.

St. Mihiel, France. A total of 4153 of our American military dead.

Suresnes, France. A total of 1541 of our American military dead.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: america; cemetaries; europe; memorials; military
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1 posted on 10/29/2009 6:39:00 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

I agree, no apologies...but perhaps a thank you for how beautifully they (presumably) have kept their graves. Those cemetaries exude reverence.


2 posted on 10/29/2009 6:43:35 PM PDT by VR-21 (Down to the stones, where old ghosts play.)
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To: VR-21

I absolutely agree. These memorials to the American fallen on European soil are beautiful.

This post refers to our current president “apologizing” to Europe for “American arrogance”.

Every time I hear anyone talking about “American arrogance” with regards to other countries, I respond by saying that America should stop helping other countries, should stop sacrificing her young men and women for other countries, and should keep her “arrogance” for the benefit of herself only.

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3 posted on 10/29/2009 6:51:02 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

Obama is not an American leader.


4 posted on 10/29/2009 6:54:47 PM PDT by motor_racer (Pete, do you ever get tired of the driving?)
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To: Ravnagora

And, FWIIW, the cemeteries in France and England are, for the most part, reverently kept by the locals, who do continue to love America.

Sadly, as the physical distance from where our brave men fought and died grows, the anti-American sentiment grows as well.


5 posted on 10/29/2009 6:55:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: VR-21
The American cemetaries in Europe were designed, built and maintained by the American government, through the American Battlefield Monuments Commission. They are considered internationally to be parts of the United States.

We honor our own.

6 posted on 10/29/2009 6:58:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Truth--The liberal's Kryptonite)
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To: hinckley buzzard; Ravnagora

That’s why I said ‘presumably’ (I wasn’t sure), and Ravnagora...your point’s well taken.


7 posted on 10/29/2009 7:03:04 PM PDT by VR-21 (Down to the stones, where old ghosts play.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Thanks for the info about the American Battlefield Monuments Commission.

So, we really don’t know exactly how “reverent” the Europeans are toward our American military dead that sacrificed their lives on European soil...

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8 posted on 10/29/2009 7:03:53 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: VR-21

As time goes on, I become more and more of an “isolationist”.

What REALLY gets to me is when the very European countries that are patronizing and condescending toward America or complain about America, BEG for America to step in to help whenever there’s trouble...

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9 posted on 10/29/2009 7:07:22 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora

Amazing! I have been to Gettysburg and Arlington but those sites are Amazing!


10 posted on 10/29/2009 7:08:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Ravnagora
Apologize to no one. Remind those of our sacrifice and don't

confuse arrogance with leadership.

If added correctly the count is 104,366 dead and yet we have

to watch an American elected leader apologize to Europe and

the Middle East that our country is "arrogant"!

11 posted on 10/29/2009 7:11:20 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Ravnagora

...to say nothing of what they would do if we needed them.


12 posted on 10/29/2009 7:25:13 PM PDT by VR-21 (Down to the stones, where old ghosts play.)
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To: Vendome
The lead question was: "How many Europeans are buried on American soil defending America from her enemies... " ~ and there is an answer ~ but it's complex. Not sure I can count them up.

So, let's go back to St. Sauveur in 1613 when the Governor of Virginia sailed up to Nova Scotia and scattered the Breton and Franco-American settlers ~ bunch of deaths in that one ~ all real Americans defending themselves from the Brits.

Leaping forward in time a bit we have a season's worth of battles between the Americans in what is now Plymouth and the English invaders (think that was 1621).

We can take it piece by piece by piece over a relatively long period of time if you want, and it's gotta' add up to a lot of people ~ on both sides too.

Fortunately I had people on both sides so I can maintain some balance of thought about it all, but I would like to draw your attention to the White Coats who came here to be Franco-Americans only to go down to defeat at the hands of the Brits on the Plains of Abraham.

Some (my people) escaped and withdrew South to the limits of New France and bided their time until the day over 25 years later when George Rogers Clark came through and they offered to become a militia company in the service of the American Revolution.

Yes, Europeans getting off boats came here and ended up on one side or the other ~ with a whale of a lot of them ending up defending America from her enemies.

I'm sorry the public schools glossed over this point.

13 posted on 10/29/2009 7:31:42 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: Ravnagora

Thanks for posting this, I’ve got it saved.


14 posted on 10/29/2009 7:33:42 PM PDT by RJL
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To: muawiyah

Stunning, I just don’t know how to answer that.


15 posted on 10/29/2009 7:40:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: muawiyah

Points well taken, Muawiyah. Thank you.

For me, there is a distinction, though, between the “Europeans of yesterday” (the ones you honor in your posting) - those immigrants that came to America and became the most loyal, dedicated Americans around, anywhere - even better Americans than many born here in the U.S. who took everything for granted - and the “Europeans of today” who think they are so much more “civilized” and “educated” and “superior” to Americans.

I don’t want to hear an American “leader” pandering to the “Europeans of today”. And I SURE AS HECK don’t want to hear an American “leader” pandering to the Muslims in Europe and the Middle East.

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16 posted on 10/29/2009 7:51:39 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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Hope I was able to set you straight on the question of what Europeans have meant to America.

They even brought the slaves here ~ and if you dig down deep enough into your Northernmost European roots, you'll find some there too.

Was a writer ~ had worked as a Longshoreman then went blind then regained his sight. Wrote a lot about Americans, and the European people who came here.

He said it was the "wretched refuse" who came here ~ the bottom of the barrel ~ and this is what they did ~ they reached to the heavens and built a great city on a hill.

Ron Reagan spent a chunk of his adult years reading that man's materials.

Now I know not all of them were from the bottom rungs of European society, but an awful lot of the earliest European immigrants didn't actually want to come here but they had no choice.

The Swedes rounded up Sa'ami who'd gotten too close in the Winter to Stockholm, and put them on board the Kalmar Nyckal to go found New Sweden. There were but 5 ethnic Swedes on board and they soon abandoned their colony to go take over management of Nieuwe Amsterdam. That worked out so well the Swedes nearly depopulated the Arctic of its native people to provide tree cutters to America. Marion County, Indiana probably has more folks of at least some Sa'ami ancestry than the entirity of Scandinavia and Russia. So does Northern Maryland and a string of counties running West from Yorktown PA to Akron Ohio.

Best I can tell the initial condition of those Sa'ami was identical to that of slaves.

Many of the earliest Scottish settlers of Virginia were tossed off the boat at Smuggler's Creek down in Alexandria ~ still in their chains.

We owe it all to the Europeans ~ whether we want to or not. Best we keep looking over our shoulders too ~ make sure we keep 'em happy at home!

17 posted on 10/29/2009 8:03:47 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: motor_racer
"Obama is not an American leader."

He's not even American, period! - Foreign born marxist scum.

18 posted on 10/29/2009 8:21:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Ravnagora

Many thanks for this beautiful and emotionally-moving post.
Unlike many posts with great photos...
I spent time to label, then save, all your photos along with the
number of sacrificial Americans buried at each site.

Reminds me of my brother’s Professor of Agronomy Lynd (sp?) at Oklahoma State
University.
One day when my brother was in one of Professor Lynd’s classes,
he spent the lecture hour telling the students about his experience
as an infantry soldier that liberated Europe.
My brother later told me that the good professor was going to Belgium
to be an invited attendee of the dedication of a monument ot the liberation
of Europe (in part) by Americans.
This was told to me in (IIRC) the early 1980s.

This probably explains why I usually watch “Band of Brothers”
a couple of times of years, even if it is a snapshot of the massive
effort put forth by the Allies to liberate Europe.

And reading Paul Fussel’s definition in the hard copy of “Band of
Brothers” (approx. p. 24-25?) helps me deal with the...
“chicken-sh-t”
that I encounter on a daily basis at my labors.


19 posted on 10/29/2009 8:24:12 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Ravnagora

Most beautiful and fitting resting places for our fallen heroes.


20 posted on 10/29/2009 9:59:27 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama: Grasping at Straw Men _ Not a Public Option It's a government mandate.)
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