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To: muawiyah

Points well taken, Muawiyah. Thank you.

For me, there is a distinction, though, between the “Europeans of yesterday” (the ones you honor in your posting) - those immigrants that came to America and became the most loyal, dedicated Americans around, anywhere - even better Americans than many born here in the U.S. who took everything for granted - and the “Europeans of today” who think they are so much more “civilized” and “educated” and “superior” to Americans.

I don’t want to hear an American “leader” pandering to the “Europeans of today”. And I SURE AS HECK don’t want to hear an American “leader” pandering to the Muslims in Europe and the Middle East.

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16 posted on 10/29/2009 7:51:39 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora
Hope I was able to set you straight on the question of what Europeans have meant to America.

They even brought the slaves here ~ and if you dig down deep enough into your Northernmost European roots, you'll find some there too.

Was a writer ~ had worked as a Longshoreman then went blind then regained his sight. Wrote a lot about Americans, and the European people who came here.

He said it was the "wretched refuse" who came here ~ the bottom of the barrel ~ and this is what they did ~ they reached to the heavens and built a great city on a hill.

Ron Reagan spent a chunk of his adult years reading that man's materials.

Now I know not all of them were from the bottom rungs of European society, but an awful lot of the earliest European immigrants didn't actually want to come here but they had no choice.

The Swedes rounded up Sa'ami who'd gotten too close in the Winter to Stockholm, and put them on board the Kalmar Nyckal to go found New Sweden. There were but 5 ethnic Swedes on board and they soon abandoned their colony to go take over management of Nieuwe Amsterdam. That worked out so well the Swedes nearly depopulated the Arctic of its native people to provide tree cutters to America. Marion County, Indiana probably has more folks of at least some Sa'ami ancestry than the entirity of Scandinavia and Russia. So does Northern Maryland and a string of counties running West from Yorktown PA to Akron Ohio.

Best I can tell the initial condition of those Sa'ami was identical to that of slaves.

Many of the earliest Scottish settlers of Virginia were tossed off the boat at Smuggler's Creek down in Alexandria ~ still in their chains.

We owe it all to the Europeans ~ whether we want to or not. Best we keep looking over our shoulders too ~ make sure we keep 'em happy at home!

17 posted on 10/29/2009 8:03:47 PM PDT by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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