Posted on 08/22/2009 7:51:32 AM PDT by Arizona SCG
Discovery hearing re. Obama’s Kenyan BC, request for depositions of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates scheduled for September 8th, 8am. I am asking supporters to be there. August 22nd, 2009 08/21/2009 44 MINUTES OF IN CHAMBERS ORDER by Judge David O. Carter: ORDER SETTING SEPTEMBER 8, 2009 HEARING ONMOTIONS: (See document for details.) In summary, the Court sets for hearing at 8:00 a.m. on September 8, 2009, (1) the Discovery Motion, (2) the Service Notice, and (3) the Ex Parte Application. All parties are ordered to be present. The Clerk shall serve this minute order on all parties to the action. (rla) (Entered: 08/21/2009)
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Would someone explain in non legal terms what this means, please.
Well well... it seems kind of weird that the court would go forward with discovery on the Kenyan BC thing after all the ruckus about it being a punked forgery.
Maybe she DOES have something nobody has seen.
Either that or she is totally nuts and needs to be fired.
I'm leaning toward the "tilting at windmills" side myself...
>>> Would someone explain in non legal terms what this means, please.
Basically the judge has ordered all parties to appear for discovery... kind of like a pre-trial, to determine if it needs to go any further.
If the BC Taitz has is the same thing that was posted and debunked on the internet, then she should have withdrawn her suit... but it is going forward... why?
Burden of proof is on the accuser... so unless she has something to stick them with, she is totally bonkers going forward with it.
Starting to wonder if she is actually working for Obama,
with the objective of losing on purpose.
“FREE THE LONG FORM!”
Tilting at windmills? How about freakazoid wingnut that should be disbarred?
If so, and if she is asking for Hillary Clinton and Sec. Gates, she has just lost any credibility she has, with us and with the Court.
Had she asked for documents, or certain Hawaii officials, she would have had a chance to get then. But to ask for Gates and Hillary, it clearly becomes grandstanding.
What does Hillary know about this that should require the Sec. of State of the US to come to some deposition. Even if she is trying to make some argument about foreign relations, registering foreign births or documents, some career Dept of State official is a much better witness.
What could Gates know, other than how some military person is called to active duty, and again, some career person is much better for this.
If Tatiz is expecting to get one of them to testify that somehow Obama is exercising special influence involving her clients, fagedaboudit!
This is legally VERY stupid, and can get her labeled as a complete RWNJ. It could even lead to sanctions, but I doubt it at this stage.
Thanks for the explanation.
why?
She is probably nuts. Forgetting it was MSNBC but that appearance on the network made her seem like a nutjob without any help from the host.
Don't people learn that in grammar school any more?
She is asking for depositions from the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense?
That doesn't seem to be reasonable. Secretary Gates is not likely to have anything relevant to say, and certainly Secretary Clinton has no articulable connection to her case.
Why not stick to the basics, and get as much paper evidence as possible?
Production of all Hawaiian vital records would be far more relevant than asking for the head of the State Department to give a deposition.
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Canada Free Press
JB Williams
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:
Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials!
Today’s radio interview in Israel with Dr. Orly.
Discusses bc, Obama not elgible due to being British citizen, death threats, Obots tampering with her car:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/1302
Dr. Orly Taitz storms Israel making a clear case for Obama (TV)
inelgibility- Obama is a British citizen.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
Dr. Orly’s official website:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/
Or Dr. Orly’s blog:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/
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After looking at Obama's long form birth certificate, she then declared that Obama was a citizen of the United States.
My question is this: What did Dr. Fukino see on Obama's 1961 long form birth that proved to her and other Hawaii officials beyond any doubt that Obama was an American citizen?
Was it the word "Honolulu"?
I don't think that would be enough evidence to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii. To be sure that Obama was born in Hawaii, I think that Dr. Fukino would have had to look at the signature of the person who CERTIFIED that Obama was born on a certain date.
Below is copy of the item on a 1961 Hawaii long form birth certificate where a person----m.d., d.o., midwife, or other---signed the space for the WITNESS to a birth.
"I hereby certify that the child was born alive on the date and hour stated above."
"19a. Signature of Attendant"
M.D. |_|
D.O. |_|
MIDWIFE |_|
OTHER |_|
So, again, Dr. Fukino---and other high-ranking Hawaii officials---in order to positively prove in their minds that Obama was born in Hawaii, would have had to look at and verified that someone signed and checked "19a. Signature of Attendant."
I believe that the issue is this: Who signed the space of "Signature of Attendant"?
1. Was it a doctor or midwife?
2. Or, more damaging to Obama, was it "Other"?
3. If it was "Other", who could it have been?
4. If it was "Other", is it possible that Obama's GRANDMOTHER LIED and signed her name?
4a. "AFRICAN": If grandma Dunham LIED and was the one who signed, filled out, and mailed in the long form birth certificate, then that might explain why the word "African" is listed as the father's RACE.
4b. That is, when she came to the space where it asked for the father's RACE, grandma Dunham may have simply checked "other" instead of checking NEGRO and she wrote AFRICAN somewhere on the birth certificate, because she knew that Barack Obama senior was a citizen of some country in Africa and not an American citizen.
4c. NOTE: A doctor or hospital medical person may have written in "African" as the RACE of the father because Obama senior may have made such a request, but I think it is highly improbable that is what happened.
4d. So that is a crucial reason why we should want to see Obama's long form birth certificate: We want to verify that Obama's father is classified as "African" just as he is classified on the Obama short form birth certificate we have seen on the internet during the presidential campaign of 2008.
4e. If Obama's father's RACE is classified differently on the two birth certificates---the long and short forms---then we will know that someone tampered with the short form before it was displayed on the internet.
5. Also, if the "Other" box is checked instead of the the doctor's box and there is no doctor signature, then it means that Obama was not born at Kapiolani hospital as Obama claims.
6. My point is this: Dr. Fukino of Hawaii must tell us how she knows that Obama is a citizen of the United States.
7. That is, Dr. Fukino must tell us if the "Signature of Attendant" is that of a doctor or that of "Other".
8. In addition, if there is no doctor or midwife signature, then there will not be a hospital name, either.
9. And if there is no doctor name or hospital name, then where was Obama born?
10. Dear Dr. Fukino: It is not enough to tell us that Obama is a citizen of the United States, because you really have no legal power to make such a decision of who is or who is not a citizen, especially since you are not a lawyer or an elected public official.
11. Dear Dr. Fukino: Who signed the space for "Signature of Attendant" and certified that Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961?
12. Dr. Fukino: If you are going to make a public announcement that Obama is an American citizen, then you have a moral obligation to also explain to the public what you saw on Obama's 1961 long form birth certificate that led you to your conclusion that Obama was an American citizen.
13. However, I'm afraid you cannot simply cite as evidence that you saw the word "Hawaii" typed or written on the long form birth certificate.
14. I'm sorry, Dr. Fukino, but the controversy has grown so intense and so ugly over the past year that you now have to tell us who signed the "Signature of Attendant", that is, you have to tell us who certified that he/she was a WITNESS to Obama's birth in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, if you expect to have any credibility left whatsoever with the public.
15. If the signature is NOT that of a doctor or a midwife, then Hawaii officials and Obama have a lot of explaining to do.
The question is: what Federal Rule of Civil Procedure has she failed to follow in this case that will get it dismissed with prejudice?
Simple.
She IS totally bonkers.
Declaring that he is a citizen doesn’t qualify him under the constitution for the office.
Must be natural born....
Born on US soil, ***AND*** BOTH parents US citizens.
I find Orly Taitz to be more than just a little dubious in this role.
But, she's also been a delegate and a spokesperson for AIPAC.
That argues against "bonkers" in totality, and in favor of something else going on, with these eligibility lawsuits.
Maybe she's there to discredit. Maybe she's dragging it out to maximize a political threat ... who knows?
I'd greatly prefer to see competent legal representation in this and any legal matter.
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