Look at this fine young soldier that was murdered:
Posted on 06/06/2009 12:38:03 PM PDT by LSUfan
Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, who reportedly studied jihad with an Islamic scholar in Yemen, shot Private William Long and Private Quinton I. Ezeagwula. Long died from his wounds.
Will these two soldiers killed/wounded by the Jihadist in Little Rock get Purple Heart awards?
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“Will these two soldiers killed/wounded by the Jihadist in Little Rock get Purple Heart awards?”
Wouldn’t that imply they were wounded in combat? We are not at war with these poor misguided criminals...remember??? (BIG EYE ROLL)
Yes
No they do not deserve the Purple Heart, was not a combat engagement. It would put to shame the BS/crap many of us that go out the wire each and every day and we don’t get the purple heart for all these injuries that build up thoughout our tour due to the very nature of our daily grind of combat responsibilities..so, no.
Did those servicemen and women killed at the Pentagon on 9/11 receive Purple Hearts?
Purple Hearts Yes! Combat Infantry Badge. Yes!
Welcome home and its too bad they did not have the chance to shot back at that sob Muslim a hole who is at war with us
“No they do not deserve the Purple Heart, was not a combat engagement.”
So, they were not military under fire from an enemy combatant? The question is not whether or not someone else was eligible...were they under fire from an enemy combatant or were they just two guys shot by a disgruntled passerby?
They were murdered/wounded by a civilian in the US. They will not receive the purple heart. Even if this had happened a year ago, there would not have been a purple heart. It simply doesn’t meet DOD criteria.
No, there is a differance. They are not in a hostile environment. The Pentagon should, they were deliberately targeted by AQueda. That idiot who killed the one soldier did it as not part of the OBL War against the US. He was an idiot that is a loser and did it out of shear desperation so he can feel like he “belongs” to a group somehow..unfortunately, its AQueda, but he doesn’t.
Explain post 9 then
the two soldiers will not and should not get the PH....what, now you expect them to recieve Combat Pay, Hazardious Duty Pay also???
Look at this fine young soldier that was murdered:
I am not sure that you are right about that ma bell. Those two soldiers were killed by a guy who was recruited to Jihad and trained in terrorism in Yemen. He came back to the US with the express purpose of attacking the US military and Jewish targets as well.
He has a Somali passport, yet had never been to Somalia and was born and raised in the USA.
He was clearly part of some Jihadist apparatus or network. He didn’t get to Yemen on his own. He was recruited and told that was where he needed to go to get training. And someone got him a fake passport. He didn’t make it in his dorm room at Tennessee State.
This war is not just against OBL or even Al Qaeda. Hell, we killed and captured Hezbollah operatives in Iraq after all.
The fact that the perp was a US citizen should not be relevant to whether those two soldiers get Purple Hearts. Just as the servicemen and women who were killed/wounded at the Pentagon on September 11th got Purple Hearts, those two soldiers should get Purple Hearts.
They don't deserve anything like a PH, end of story.
Good Lord, ma bell, you are just a creep aren’t you?
“Look..there are a bunch of “idiots” that go around throwing out the words “enemy combatents”
I guess that would be me...right? I thought we were in a war with terrorists..I don’t agree with the Obama talking points...I didn’t realize that made me an idiot...and you needn’t apologize...
“what, now you expect them to recieve Combat Pay, Hazardious Duty Pay also???”
Where did I say that? I stand by my opinion. You have yours. I won’t resort to name calling...but you have know idea who you are talking to or how they have served or what they know...when you shoot your mouth off at people calling them idiots, try to remember a difference of opinion is just that...
Keep in mind that they were at a U.S. Army recruiting center. They were deliberately targeted by an enemy operative because they were U.S. Army. If not the Purple Heart, the DOD or Congress should create something special and dignified for non-combat deaths at the hands of the enemy. Treating this the same as if he had been killed while on leave in a car accident or something isn’t right. This was a U.S. soldier, at a U.S. Army facility that was shot by a person who joined up with sworn enemies of the U.S. and who received foreign training for the purpose of making war on the USA.
Nope..they don't. it devalues the PH. They are not in a hostile country. They were not part of an orchestrated attack. This was one ignorant idiot with no direction in life that wnted to 'belong'. Just because this moron travels to those locations, does not imply he was sent back here on a mission. alot of those people that go to those jihad camps are inept morons that couldn't be trusted to load a magazine properly.
The Purple Heart is awarded for
“….3. Criteria: a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force who, while serving with the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded;
(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States;
(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged;
(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party;
(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces;
(5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force;
(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the department concerned, or jointly by the Secretaries of the departments concerned if persons from more than one department are wounded in the attack; or,
(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations, while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.
(8) After 7 December 1941, by weapon fire while directly engaged in armed conflict, regardless of the fire causing the wound.
(9) While held as a prisoner of war or while being taken captive.
b. A wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer…..”
as notated here: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Awards/PH1.html
I have yet to see Bogus POTUS acknowledge this event at all! This concerns me as a resident of Arkansas and a citizen of the United States of America!
If you don’t know about this story, it’s tragic! Two recent Boot Camp graduates were serving hometown recruitment duty. Neither man had seen combat duty. They were gunned down Monday morning June the 1st, during broad daylight. This was just outside of the Army Recruitment Center in a well traveled strip mall in Little Rock, Arkansas. I will not dishonor these men by announcing the terrorist’s name.
My hope is that this terrorist is sent to Gitmo (Guantanamo Bay, Cuba) where he now belongs and is water boarded to reveal his hidden agenda.
****Note I previously posted last night, on my local Tea Party Blog here: http://bentonteaparty.ning.com/profiles/blogs/all-american-soldier-murdered before our next Tea Party Meeting tonight. But I must say, there is not enough said in the MSM about this tragedy.
http://www.the-912-project.com/
Just being factual and honest. The Arkansas soldiers are some of the worst ones I’ve encountered, trained and/or worked with. You may not like it, but it’s fact.
You are making ignorant assumptions about Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad which are not supported by facts.
Furthermore, there is evidence that the attack was indeed orchestrated. Authorities found evidence that this guy had cased facilities in numerous locations across the Eastern US. The fact that one Jihadist carried out the attack isn’t relevant to that fact.
And the Pentagon was not in a hostile country on September 11th. Moreover, anyone with any real military experience would know that the criteria for Purple Heart do not include that the incident occur in a hostile “country.”
I won’t dignify your stereotyping of servicemen from a particular state with a retort, other than, I am glad I never met anyone like you in MY Marine Corps.
He was in Vietnam, you know.
Hey LSU, seen this?
Democrats have had to put the war supplemental to fund the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan on hold because they lack the votes to pass the modified bill that came out of conference. The Democrat leadership has reduced the amount of the supplemental for the troops and tacked on $108 billion in bailout funding for foreign governments through the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
There is a large contingent of far left Democrats who always vote against funding our troops. Given the billions now included for the IMF global bailout, the Republicans are refusing to support the bill.
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas) led the charge to fight the addition of these bailout funds on this “must pass” funding for our troops.
“Clearly the Democratic leadership is having a tough time getting their members to support flawed legislation that reduces funding for our troops from the level originally passed by the House and funds a bailout for foreign nations,” Hensarling said.
“I have led a group of House Republicans urging Democratic leadership to remove this $108 billion foreign bailout paid for by U.S. taxpayers. As we have done time after time, Republicans are eager to support our troops; but we will not stand by and let Democrats wrap pork barrel spending and a global bailout in the American flag.”
But Republicans had more problems with the pork and the IMF global bailout than just the vehicle the Democrats chose. The final conference report not only cut $5 billion from troop funding in order to send the bailout funds to the IMF but the funding would have no restrictions. Any IMF member could apply for the loans including Iran, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, and Burma.
That finally seemed to rankle some Democrats. Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.) in a letter to colleagues yesterday said, “We face the very real possibility that some of the world’s worst regimes will benefit from the additional resources provided to the IMF, World Bank and other international institutions, unless the U.S. works vigilantly to deny this assistance.”
As if that weren’t enough to oppose the funding, the New York Times reported on May 27 that Hezbollah is in talks with the IMF about continuing loans to Lebanon should they win the election.
But the crème de la crème: in order to loan the IMF $108 billion, the U.S. will have to borrow the money from other countries, like China.
Republican Whip Eric Cantor spoke about the absurdity of the Democrat plan yesterday.
“Borrowing money from China for a global bailout of the IMF makes no sense, particularly when China itself has not made the same commitment. … The possibility that tax dollars reserved for our military could fall into the hands of terrorists or their supporters is an affront to our troops. The truth is that Democrats currently don’t have the support needed to pass this bill, which is why it has been delayed.”
I've never seen as many crybaby whiners in our ranks, even the jr. NCOs!
It makes me shake my head and it all begins with the parents allowing the kids to play all those Wii and Playstation gameboy stuff all day and night (though, you all won't ADMIT to it..and blame "other parents, not me").
Though you were a Marine, you were a reservist, part-time...big differance, you don't get the true full value of Marine Active Duty, Hollywood.
I can accept that there might be some bad apples, it’s a big army and a big country. I can also accept that historically, armys have been a dumping ground for many of society’s undesirables. I can understand your frutration and bitterness, much of modernity’s course is incongruent with traditional notions of honor, duty, and civility, but I would hate to you see you unnecessarily castigate the Army who tries to make men and soldiers out of what they receive after 18 years of no direction.
Good heavens. What a dreadful attitude.
The IslamOfascists who declared war on us are mainly a non orginazed army who who don’t wear uniforms as did the enemy in WWII.
The American born, Muslim Named and trained is just as much an enemy as one who kills Americans in Iraq or Afghn.
You may have served in Iraq as many of my relatives have and still are but they understand this is not the same kind of war where the enemy is a regular army, uniform wearing combatiant who understands the internation rules of warfare.
They are also living in American Cities and have or are trying to develop more attacks on American soil
The two terrorists who flew the plane into the Pentagon were living 6 miles from where I am sitting in San Diego as regular residents except they were the enemy and killed
Americans just as the IslamOfascists do in Iraq, AFghn, and have done in London, Spain, etc.
The American soldier who was killed and the other who was wounded are just as much victims of the war whether Ak, Iraq or Afghn.
“Did those servicemen and women killed at the Pentagon on 9/11 receive Purple Hearts?”
Yes.
Semper Fi,
Kelly
Alright, it was bad enough that you smear the U.S. Army and YES, I have already notified the Admin Moderator, but when you start smearing the Marines, you have spit in my face.
FYI, genius, reservists are serving and have served in the military NOW and throughout American history. My father was an Army reservist who served under Black Jack Pershing from chasing Poncho Villa along the Mexican border to WWI in France.
And before you start dumping on me, I walked point for the Fifth Marines in Nam in '69 & '70. And they don't make wheelbarrows big enough to haul my balls around in.
The Army artillery and the U.S.A.F. air strikes saved my bacon on more than one occasion and if not for a U.S.N. Corpsman I wouldn't be alive today.
So I suggest you keep your “stereotypical” smears of any service to yourself. Because all you have done is make a total IDIOT of yourself.
Semper Fi,
Kelly
You don't get out much do you ?
You are proof of at least one.
Pet peeve of mine, sorry. It is not fact, it is opinion. Your opinion, in fact. Go back to thumping your chest, he-man.
Great post Kelly!
Cleanup on aisle 16.
Pure sign of a bitter piss poor NCO is to call his troops scum. Those assigned under you in the service be it of any service are a direct reflection of the leadership which is the NCO. The backbone of a unit.
This POS calling his troops scum is ratting himself out per my 26 years experience . Any NCO worth his or her salt could easily follow regulations, stay within the lines even if they have a micro managing butter bar 90 day wonder officer on their ass and remove a problem from active duty in less than a week.
The day a man or woman puts on the service uniform of their country they deserve all the honor one can bestow upon them until they prove they no longer deserve that honor by their own disgraceful or irreverent acts or comments. Sort of like the slacker drawing NCO pay ya pinged me to.......... I loved my career in the military as an EOD tech. Left after all those years with a few more holes in me than I was born with yet had no time for whining fake leadership like the one above that wants to blame others for his situation .
My professional opinion based on first hand experience.
Stay Safe ya’ll !
Good post Kelly !
Stay Safe !
It is not "my lack of leadership" etc that others lay claim onto me, I put forth that effort. I'm the one who once got to our COB, immediately after offloading our gear post-mission, spent an extra hour every other day covering one area of tactics. I'm the one who sought out the EOD to get us regularly trained on the IED Lane. I'm the one who went out with other units on my "refit day" to see how other units, grunt & scout units run their patrols. I'm the one who shielded my 'special' specialist from the wrath of the 1st Sgt and his numerious "counciling statements" he ordered me to write up, which was never pushed up beyong myself and the SPC.
I'm the one who taught the newest drivers how to drive the Hummvee in reverse at a high rate of speed without a gunner, training the gunners to traverse the gun onto specified targets so they know how to and get used to doing that..etc etc etc...you know, those little things... Now, does that sound like someone who is a POS??? I'm the one who stood up to the POS 1stSGT who would "commandeer" my troops on their downtime to do what HQ Plt soldiers should be doing besides playing their XBox games.
I stand my ground, that alot of soldiers are scum. There are alot of soldiers that are GREAT! Those scum I mention are the ones who make it very very difficult for us good NCOs to do our job and beyond.
Squantos, there comes a time you do need to call out your troops for what and who they really are. Mostly in private, but at times after futile attempts, do so in front of others. Oh, I don't follow regulations for the most part in being a leader.
Ask any NCO whats the most important thing to have as a Leader, they don't know. The answer is INTEGRITY. How can you lead without being trustworthy and honorable. Todays Army has become a popularity contest. Compare the military of the 80s to today, completley differant breed of military personnel.
Regarding that Marine Reservist, in your profile you don't even state your time with the 5thMarines. Your jargon does not jive either, which smells of something. Could be a non-hacker since you went and ran off and tattle-taled to the Mods.
Now, when you are undermined by the Sr Leadership due to them wanting to have their own time off, how frustrated would you become when you can only do so much? And yes, that group of Arkansas National Guard Inf unit was really an embarresment to the ARNG. I believe this was the same brigade that refused to go out the wire due to the RedZone being quite active, they were relieved of their AO and replaced with another unit, I believe it was a Marine unit which replaced them. That Arkansas unit became openly mocked by the Marine unit once they saw the piss poor FOB security they set up too.
I’ve caught up now. Even before getting to the meat of what you emailed me about, I caught on to the fact that the guy is a disgruntled NCO. I’ve seen enough of them, and they’re all trouble. It’s the responsibility of the NCO to work under the very conditions he describes with the people he disdains and then keep his damned mouth shut. Shame on him. From the looks of him, his mother was still wiping his backside when we were dealing with the same things under Clinton that he’s crying about now. His Gunny should have taken him out back and kicked his butt. His Gunny probably knew it would have been a wasted beating, so they just let him go.
I understand yer angst yet......Your crime with me is you did this here in an open forum versus venting to peers and other career NCO’s that know what you speak of, experienced it and can help each other through it with tricks of the trade over time. You can NOT expect Mom and Dad and those who have lost loved ones to understand what your venting about valid or not. You brought out issues that should not see the light of day in a place like this.
I can respect that your frustrated, I was at times during my career with a bunch of the same things you are going through. But you don’t post such in a open forum of civilians and a few veterans and active duty folks.
The losers you had the bad luck to work for can be circumvented and worked around. Dismissed as mere paper punching backstabbers they are. No need to take each and every reprimand to the OIC of your unit until you have at least 4 repeat offenses of the same issue documented with witnesses. Unity of command, span of control. YOU well know YOU are the NCOIC of your unit. You have a Senior Enlisted Advisor who loves to eat and destroy officers and other NCO’s that pander to pussies or at least make sure their performance reports are done in crayon. Use him or her if you have senior NCO’s and or officers junior or not disrupting your ability to lead and control those you have been charged to train and keep alive in a combat zone. Get medevil on their sorry asses . Don;t get mad, get even !......:o)
My opinion, get yer ducks in a row , make a plan , stick with it , do not compromise yourself. Your friends are other NCO’s you vent to and your troops at casual functions. Or known folks that will listen and let ya vent in private. FReepmail me when ya want unless I have offended or insulted. I will help and listen as I have been there and am willing to share what I have learned from others and my own experiences. Gotta share the skills and fubar events as lessons learned. You can’t fix it all but you can set the standard by example. Praise in public and punish in private. Your Sgt Bell all the time to junior enlisted . But you know that !!
Stay safe .........thanks for taking your turn in the barrel.
Are you addressing me?
If you're talking about me, I suggest you ping me, genius.
And fyi, I wasn't a “reservist”, missy, I ENLISTED ACTIVE DUTY
“you don't even state your time with the 5thMarines?”
Quite the contrary, I specifically stated “ 69 & 70 !”
“Your jargon does not jive either?”
Well, “if” your comprehension of the English language & knowledge of the Viet Nam war were better; you just might understand the facts.
“Could be a non-hacker since you went and ran off and tattle-taled to the Mods.”
“non-haker?” Yea, right...you couldn't carry my boots, asshole.
“I stand my ground, that alot of soldiers are scum?”
YOU, are the only “scum” I see around here.
And in the future, if you are going to talk about someone,
at least have the class to ping them!
“ran off and tattle-taled to the Mods?”
I addressed the Admin Moderator so that they would know that we have a poster who is calling those who are fighting & dying in Iraq & Afghanistan, “scum.”
We don’t need your smears on FR.
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