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Apple Has 93% of Mobile Profits
Barron's ^ | February 9, 2015, 9:48 A.M. ET | Tiernan Ray

Posted on 02/09/2015 9:57:34 AM PST by ctdonath2

Canaccord Genuity’s Mike Walkley this morning ... writes that his assessment of vendor data in smartphones suggests, whose shares he rates a Buy, captured 93% of industry profits in Q4 ... while Samsung Electronics has a minority of profit and all others operate at no profit or at a negative margin

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To: Swordmaker
Interesting description for a factory in a city of 10,000,000 people that employs ~200,000 people all of whom stood in long lines to apply for work at the factory, choosing to work there for starting wages seven times higher than the national minimum wage. Tell us again how these people are concentrated there? Held captive? Forced to work there?

It is not just the labor that requires the factory to be there. . . there is no way that a factory in the US can be as responsive to market forces as one in China. Steve Jobs pointed out that what can be built in China in 3 months would take FIVE YEARS in this country with the regulatory and litigation environment that exists.

However, Apple does operate several factories in the United States. The make the Apple Mac Pro here with better than 90% American made parts in Austin, Texas, and they do the same with the iMac in Elk Grove, CA, and one other location, IIRC.

101 posted on 02/09/2015 7:30:03 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Nice rant. Can you back up the claim about the landfills?

I like iPhones, I just like Samsung better. I can buy extra batteries and use extra memory cards.


102 posted on 02/09/2015 8:12:14 PM PST by Dalberg-Acton
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To: VanDeKoik

Your visceral hatred of Apple fans is ... puzzling. No facts, just ... hate.


103 posted on 02/09/2015 8:54:38 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: SamAdams76

I used to hear radio ads for a hamburger restaurant, each ending with “sure you could buy a burger for a dollar ... but then you’d have to eat it.”


104 posted on 02/09/2015 8:56:00 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: central_va

Alas, US lawmakers have enacted so many pricy regulations that it’s much cheaper to build the phones on another continent, paying the locals several times the going rate, than to build ‘em here.

Apple IS trying to move manufacturing here. The Mac Pro line is made domestically. Maybe as they transition to heavy robotics use they can move more manufacturing here.

As it is, minimum wage laws and other regulations just make it too darned expensive to build here and compete against Asian manufacturers. A $20/phone tariff would do nothing to help, being way too low. The solution is to get Washington out of the way, not to make businesses charge domestic citizens even more.


105 posted on 02/09/2015 9:01:18 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Swordmaker
Post your numbers...

Real numbers for both igadgets and Androids. Trade in value etc.

106 posted on 02/09/2015 9:01:26 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Real numbers for both igadgets and Androids. Trade in value etc.

Your Phone Loses Value Pretty Fast (Unless It's an iPhone)
Feb 08, 2012 | Permalink

- Joshua Topolsky [strenuously disagreeing with Siegler’s position] The empirical facts are in, and the iPhone is wiping the floor with Android and BlackBerry in terms of resale value.

At Priceonomics, we firmly believe that resale value is the best objective indicator of product quality. If you wanted to figure out the best cell phone, you could look at all the reviews, test out all the phones, talk to all the experts, but still your assessment will be subjective. Or you could let the market tell you which phones are the highest quality by seeing which ones best retain their value over time.

Priceonomics phone pricing data strongly indicates that Apple phones are a better value than smartphones on other platforms. The market has spoken, and Android and Blackberrys do not age well.

Priceonomics Cell Phone Depreciation & Resale Rankings

Car buyers know that depreciation matters. Some cars lose much of their value the second you drive them off the lot. Others cars you can sell after a few years and recoup most of your initial payment. Cars with high resale value have strong demand, high reliability, and happy owners. A high resale value is the market telling you, “this is a good car.”

Because Priceonomics has built the first price guide for used phones, it is now possible to measure phone resale value and depreciation to see what the market suggests are the best phones. We measure depreciation by comparing a phone’s current used price to its new price (without a contract) the day it was released. We examined all iPhone models and the 70 most popular Androids and 30 most popular BlackBerry models. We split phones into five different cohorts (newly released, 1, 2, 3, and 4 year-old phones). We then calculated which phones had the best resale by cohort, as well as which platforms in aggregate tended to retain their value the most.

The highest quality phones should have the best resale values over time and crappier phones should depreciate the fastest. The evidence is clear - the winner is the iPhone.

After using your iPhone for 18 months, it still retains 53% versus 42% for Android, and 41% for BlackBerry. That’s $312 of cash value if you resell your old iPhone on eBay or Craigslist. iPhones have a reputation for being premium products, while Androids have a more democratic marketing angle (BlackBerry’s consumer marketing angle appears to be indecipherable). In fact, the cost of ownership of an iPhone is the lowest of all platforms:

The iPhone hardware only costs you $13.20 per month if you resell it at the end of 18 months. Android phones cost 40% more. Either one seems like a deal compared to a monthly cell phone bill!

Be careful before you drive that Android phone off the lot

Cell phones don’t depreciate linearly over time. They lose a lot of value right away and then gradually less over time. Across all the phones we examined, here’s a chart of how phones lose value over time.

Not all cell phones are created equal. You can buy an iPhone 4S today and sell it a few months later on the secondary market for almost what you paid for it. However, if you buy the latest big fancy Android phone, a few months later it has lost hundreds of dollars in value.

At every stage, the iPhone retains more of its original value than Android and BlackBerry phones. Even four years later, you can sell a first generation iPhone for $110 dollars.

A few of money saving tips

1. There is a diamond in the rough among Android phones. Pre-paid Android phones are relatively inexpensive and hold their value extremely well. The Motorola Triumph, HTC Wildfire, and Samsung Exhibit 4G, for example, retain 86% of the original value on average. These phones appear to be a much better value than the expensive Android phones that are typically nationally advertised.

2. Skip those extra GBs on your iPhone. An additional 8GB of hard drive costs you an extra $100 upfront but only adds $10 to the resale value of your phone. The secondary market doesn't value extra hard drive space on an iPhone, so get the one with the smallest amount of disk space.

3. Whenever you get a new phone, sell your old one. If you’re breaking your contract, you can use the proceeds to pay the early termination fee. If you’re eligible for an upgrade, you can use the proceeds toward the fee for the new phone.

4. It’s cheaper to break your contract than buying phones without a contract. Even with a $350 early termination fee, it’s usually $100 cheaper to get a subsidized phone and break the contract than buying a no-contract unsubsidized phone. Carriers want you to sign a contract so they create an incentive to do so.

Phone Fanaticism Across America

Would it be silly to figure out which cities in America are filled with rabid Apple fanboys, BlackBerry addicts, or Android fanatics? Yes, but we did it anyways!

We examine our data on used cell phone markets to see where these various phone platforms are most popular. We would expect that regions with a high affinity for a particular type of phone should have that type of phone dominate the listings in their marketplace on a percentage basis.

"Never trust anyone under 30 with a BlackBerry.”

-Morgan Missen, @mm

Notably, the places dominating the CrackBerry Index brought us The Financial Crisis, The Jersey Shore, carried interest tax exemptions, and parties where everyone wears white pants. It could be worse, in London BlackBerry users started a huge riot! At least in America BlackBerry use just goes hand in hand with self-indulgence and financial malfeasance.

The most iPhone fanatic city in America is . . . Santa Barbara, CA! Coming in as a close second is Anchorage, Alaska and of course San Francisco cracked the top 10. The least iPhone Fanboy city in America is Kansas City, Kansas. Perhaps the people of the city are still resentful their hometown carrier (Sprint) was last to get the iPhone.

You can see the list of the most Android fanatical cities, as well as the full rankings for BlackBerrys and iPhones here.

Conclusion

There is a beautiful and liquid secondary market for phones, and in that market, the iPhone reigns supreme. We built Priceonomics to create data so that consumers could make better decisions. Our data suggests that buying an iPhone is a better economic decision than an Android or BlackBerry. If you buy an iPhone, down the line you will have a piece of hardware that still has economic value.

In irony of ironies, it is BlackBerry and Android manufacturers that need to provide non-economic justifications for purchasing their products. That might explain all the recent Samsung phone commercials full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing.

From CNet, a bit old, but still to the point. They took ten cell phones they had reviewed in the past two years and checked their resale value on a site that BUYS used cell phones for resale. That means that these are wholesale prices being quoted and the phones will be sold by NextWorth for retail.

NextWorth values your cell phone
On the Web site NextWorth.com, you can find the value of your used electronic devices, including cell phones.
by Kent German
February 28, 2011 5:46 PM PST

I spent time today playing with NextWorth, a Web site that will tell you the trade-in value of many electronic devices. The site covers everything from MP3 players to video games, but I went straight to cell phones, of course, to see how much I could round up for the handsets we have sitting around the CNET offices.

All you have to do is go to NextWorth's site and plug in the name of your device. You'll also have to answer a few questions such as if any parts of the handset are broken or water damaged, if it turns on, and if you happen to have the original box, battery, and user manual. You'll then get an estimate of how much your phone is worth. To get your payment, you can mail in your handset using a prepaid shipping label or take it to a participating Target store.

I took 10 cell phones that we've reviewed over the past two years and plugged them in. A couple very recent handsets, like the Motorola Brute i686 weren't listed, but I could find a match for most phones I tried. Not everything had a trade-in value, but I could get at least a couple of dollars for most devices. Here's what I found.

On the whole, I'd say that most offers were pretty fair, but I was expecting more for the Droid Pro and the BlackBerry. Also, I was surprised I couldn't get at least $5 for the MyTouch 3G. Still, NextWorth offers a good way for some consumers to get cash for their old devices. And considering how quickly some people switch cell phones, it's a great way to make sure your cell phone ends up being recycled rather than ending up in a landfill.

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The state of affairs has not changed much. . . Android phones are just not in demand unless they are brand new, still in the box, unused, like the T-Moble MyTouch which is an unlocked, workable on any carrier's network. Then, and only then, might they demand a good price. The retail price on that phone was $500, so it brought 54% of its retail value. Not bad. But it was not used. It was brand new.

107 posted on 02/10/2015 2:25:54 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Real numbers for both igadgets and Androids. Trade in value etc.

As I've been trying to get through to you, the Total Cost of Ownership is LOWER owning an iPhone than owning an Android. . . because of the resale value. Sorry. You lose. These numbers have been run numerous times and Android loses every time. It is the same with PCs. Macs are less expensive to own when all costs are accounted and resale value is included. That is just the ECONOMIST way of looking at it. . . and I've told you I am educated as an Economist. You simply cannot win on this arguments.

108 posted on 02/10/2015 2:30:45 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker

>>No, freedumb, often it is the Apple haters who initiate these threads<<

link one.


109 posted on 02/10/2015 3:52:16 AM PST by freedumb2003 (AGW: Settled Science? If so, there would only be one model and it would agree with measurements)
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To: Swordmaker
I hacked your i$phone and extracted this selfie you took:


110 posted on 02/10/2015 3:58:31 AM PST by freedumb2003 (AGW: Settled Science? If so, there would only be one model and it would agree with measurements)
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To: ctdonath2

They would move a factory to Asia to save 20 bucks per phone, they would move them back here for the same amount. That is the simple thinking that goes on in the “ivory tower”.


111 posted on 02/10/2015 5:22:23 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Swordmaker

So.I will actually save money by buying a brand new iPhone rather than buying a two year old Android?

This is what you are trying to tell me?

Hahaha and you claim you have a degree in economics?

Sorry Sparky, but your story doesn’t come close to reality.

Remember in the original post the functions that people were using in no way required the latest and greatest phone. They main function they used on their phones was texting/email phone internet and camera. People are paying premium for other than real need. And that my Sparky friend is the bottom line and all else is noise.


112 posted on 02/10/2015 6:37:54 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: central_va

What makes you think the disparity is just $20?


113 posted on 02/10/2015 7:02:53 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: wardaddy

114 posted on 02/10/2015 7:10:12 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Mad Dawgg

“Hahaha and you claim you have a degree in economics?”

Well, you obviously don’t have a degree in reading comprehension.

You seem to have missed very large post #107 (hint: it comes right before tiny post #108 which you responded to, both posts presented by Swordmaker) which makes clear that taking resale value into account makes a big difference. Roughly speaking: yeah, you can buy a new iPhone for $600 and sell it two years later for $300, or you can buy a two year old Android for $300 and sell it two years later for ... well, actually nobody will want a 4-year-old Android phone so you get $0 for it - either way costs you $300. Not hard to find a particular variation (like buying refurbished for $150 off) of that where the brand new iPhone does, in fact, save you money over the 2yo Android. Yeah, that’s economics.


115 posted on 02/10/2015 7:22:40 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: ctdonath2
"Roughly speaking: yeah, you can buy a new iPhone for $600 and sell it two years later for $300, or you can buy a two year old Android for $300 and sell it two years later for ... well, actually nobody will want a 4-year-old Android phone so you get $0 for it - "

So I can buy a two year old iPhone for exactly the same price as a Two year old Android?

You just disproved Sparky's entire thesis that iPhones have a higher resale value.

Maybe you should try honing up on your reading skills... hahahah '

116 posted on 02/10/2015 7:47:57 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: ctdonath2
Do research on the labor cost per I-phone unit. It is very small 2%-5% of retail price.

Manufacturing costs for the iPhone are likely to be much higher than comparable devices. This is partly because of the design of the product and partly because of the quality testing needed.

Those costs are likely to range between $12.5 and $30 per unit.

The iPhone manufacturing costs are likely to be twice or three times the average.

Labor costs are still a small part of the overall cost structure at between 2% and 5% of sales price.

The high level (141 steps) of human interaction in the process could be automated however, the fact that it isn’t implies that the cost of automation would be higher and the flexibility of the automated process would be lower. It’s much more likely that the process is a mixture of labor and robot intensive sub-processes.

Even if we assume a $30 manufacturing cost, there is still $60 that needs to be allocated to transportation and warranty expense. These require sanity checks as well.

117 posted on 02/10/2015 7:54:55 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: CatherineofAragon
My first Apple product which admittedly my Barnard-Columbia girl used most

I actually spoke with my eldest son about this Apple fan club stuff last nite as we made rounds at our family business....him...being a driver in training......he said if I thought some Apple people were zealots I should see how folks act over gaming console preference...lol....but he also wondered how I'm not Apple enough considering by his count we own 9 devices.......I'm not chauvinistic about much.....The South especially our girls maybe........My gumbo......Remington 870 or 1100.....the aforementioned Cummins diesel......Bordeaux over Kali varietal.....Eau de Soire by Sisley perfume .. But ill tolerate dissent..lol....as I post on my 6+ I paid 499 for and which is already cracked.....but noooooooo...it's perfect.....a gift from the Gods of Mt Cupertino

118 posted on 02/10/2015 9:06:44 AM PST by wardaddy (glenn beck is a nauseous politically correct conservative on LSD)
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To: Swordmaker

Yes you are right, on Apple, but Obama claims to be fighting for “fairness” and worried about “income inequality” and the gist of the false need for “net neutrality” is the “economic unfairness” of the telecoms with their near monopoly power, including their ability to charge some customers differently - which both Google and Apple do. And yes that concern is because of the false belief that the telecoms have some sort of near monopoly power - which they don’t - but Google does have near monopoly status in Internet browsing and as generator or contributor to the majority of Internet and Mobile ad revenue. My point is that if everything that Obama said was true, and he actually believed it, about what is “bad” about the power of the telecoms, he’d be going after the Googles and the Apples as well, as just as “unfair”, “unequal” and in Google’s case near-monopoly like.

But the truth is not the case. Net neutrality IS about rewarding some companies at the expense of others and the largest of those desirous of “net neutrality” and who stand to financially benefit the most, are big supporters of Obama, like Google.


119 posted on 02/10/2015 9:44:16 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Mad Dawgg
So.I will actually save money by buying a brand new iPhone rather than buying a two year old Android?

This is what you are trying to tell me?

Hahaha and you claim you have a degree in economics?

Sorry Sparky, but your story doesn’t come close to reality.

Look, idiot. That is not my story but authoritative source with links, proving my points. It compares devices at the same age and their RESALE VALUES, not a BRAND NEW iPhone against two year old Androids. . . the only "new" item there was an Android and it couldn't hold it's value. The ONLY phone that held any value was the iPhone. IDIOT!

You have a reading comprehension problem! If you want a PHONE instead of a complex, handheld computer, get a flip phone. IDIOT.

In case your reading comprehension is still failing you, idiot, I am calling you idiot because you cannot get it through your thick skull, despite numerous requests to STOP CALLING ME "SPARKY!" If you cannot comprehend a polite request to use a fellow Freeper's request to use his correct Freeper name YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

120 posted on 02/10/2015 10:13:32 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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