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In the Darwin Debate, How Long Before the Tide Turns in Favor of Intelligent Design?
Evolution News and Views ^ | January 19, 2015 | Casey Luskin

Posted on 01/20/2015 5:45:16 AM PST by Heartlander

In the Darwin Debate, How Long Before the Tide Turns in Favor of Intelligent Design?

Casey Luskin January 19, 2015 4:36 PM | Permalink

A student emails me to ask how long it will be before the "tide turns from Darwinism to ID." He follows the debate over intelligent design and is aware that the Darwin lobby's rhetoric typically fails to address ID's actual arguments (which are scientific in nature), instead focusing on personal attacks or trying to claim ID is religion. This student feels it is obvious that ID has the upper hand in the argument, but wonders when the majority opinion will also recognize this.

I agree that in the long-term, the position of the anti-ID lobby is simply not sustainable. You can't keep claiming forever that ID is just "religion" or "politics" when the ID camp is producing legitimate science, and even non-ID scientists keep making discoveries that confirm the predictions of ID. Or I suppose you can keep claiming whatever you want, but it will become increasingly difficult to get people to believe you.

What are my reasons for optimism? One of the strongest signs is that in head-to-head debates over ID and Darwinism, the ID proponent generally wins hands down. In that respect, we've had many key intellectual victories in recent years, including:

I could list many more successes, as well as ways that we could be hoping for more and doing more, but the point is this: ID has had plenty of intellectual "wins" of late, and the future is bright. The problem is that much of the public isn't hearing about these wins for ID.

For the time being, ID critics control the microphone. They generally determine what students hear in the classroom, what the public reads in the media, and what scientists read in the journals. They can often prevent the public, students, and scientists from hearing the facts about ID. This has a major impact on the way many people perceive this debate because they can't make a fair evaluation when they are only hearing one side of the issue, dominated by spin and caricature. This is one of the biggest obstacles facing ID.

That's why a lot of our energy in the ID movement is devoted to "getting the word out," broadcasting the facts and correcting misinformation from our critics. ID blogs like Uncommon Descent and Evolution News & Views do a great job of this (if we do say so ourselves). There are other good sources out there as well.

The Summer Seminar on ID, organized by Discovery Institute's Center for Science & Culture, has now graduated some 250 students, many of whom are going on to get PhDs and seed the next generation of scientists. There's a lot to look forward to.

Don't expect a revolution overnight. We are in this for the long haul, recognizing that it can take time for the truth to slip past the checkpoints that the Darwin lobby sets up to keep the public uninformed. In the end, though, I'm optimistic because the fundamentals of ID -- the science underlying the inference to design in nature -- are sound. The truth will win out, though it may tarry in doing so. Or to put it another way, the tide of ID is already well on its way in. We need to focus on telling people about it.



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To grasp the reality of life as it has been revealed by molecular biology, we must magnify a cell a thousand million times until it is twenty kilometres in diameter and resembles a giant airship large enough to cover a great city like London or New York. What we would then see would be an object of unparalleled complexity and adaptive design. On the surface of the cell we would see millions of openings, like the portholes of a vast space ship, opening and closing to allow a continual stream of materials to flow in and out. If we were to enter one of these openings with find ourselves in a world of supreme technology and bewildering complexity. We would see endless highly organized corridors and conduits branching in every direction away from the perimeter of the cell, some leading to the central memory bank in the nucleus and others to assembly plants and processing units. The nucleus of itself would be a vast spherical chamber more than a kilometer in diameter, resembling a geodesic dome inside of which we would see, all neatly stacked together in ordered arrays, the miles of coiled chains of the DNA molecules. A huge range of products and raw materials would shuttle along all the manifold conduits in a highly ordered fashion to and from all the various assembly plants in the outer regions of the cell.

We would wonder at the level of control implicit in the movement of so many objects down so many seemingly endless conduits, all in perfect unison. We would see all around us, in every direction we looked, all sorts of robot-like machines. We would notice that the simplest of the functional components of the cell, the protein molecules, were astonishingly, complex pieces of molecular machinery, each one consisting of about three thousand atoms arranged in highly organized 3-D spatial conformation. We would wonder even more as we watched the strangely purposeful activities of these weird molecular machines, particularly when we realized that, despite all our accumulated knowledge of physics and chemistry, the task of designing one such molecular machine – that is one single functional protein molecule – would be completely beyond our capacity at present and will probably not be achieved until at least the beginning of the next century. Yet the life of the cell depends on the integrated activities of thousands, certainly tens, and probably hundreds of thousands of different protein molecules.

We would see that nearly every feature of our own advanced machines had its analogue in the cell: artificial languages and their decoding systems, memory banks for information storage and retrieval, elegant control systems regulating the automated assembly of parts and components, error fail-safe and proof-reading devices utilized for quality control, assembly processes involving the principle of prefabrication and modular construction. In fact, so deep would be the feeling of deja-vu, so persuasive the analogy, that much of the terminology we would use to describe this fascinating molecular reality would be borrowed from the world of late twentieth-century technology.

What we would be witnessing would be an object resembling an immense automated factory, a factory larger than a city and carrying out almost as many unique functions as all the manufacturing activities of man on earth. However, it would be a factory which would have one capacity not equalled in any of our own most advanced machines, for it would be capable of replicating its entire structure within a matter of a few hours. To witness such an act at a magnification of one thousand million times would be an awe-inspiring spectacle.

To gain a more objective grasp of the level of complexity the cell represents, consider the problem of constructing an atomic model. Altogether a typical cell contains about ten million million atoms. Suppose we choose to build an exact replica to a scale one thousand million times that of the cell so that each atom of the model would be the size of a tennis ball. Constructing such a model at the rate of one atom per minute, it would take fifty million years to finish, and the object we would end up with would be the giant factory, described above, some twenty kilometres in diameter, with a volume thousands of times that of the Great Pyramid.

Copying nature, we could speed up the construction of the model by using small molecules such as amino acids and nucleotides rather than individual atoms. Since individual amino acids and nucleotides are made up of between ten and twenty atoms each, this would enable us to finish the project in less than five million years. We could also speed up the project by mass producing those components in the cell which are present in many copies. Perhaps three-quarters of the cell’s mass can be accounted for by such components. But even if we could produce these very quickly we would still be faced with manufacturing a quarter of the cell’s mass which consists largely of components which only occur once or twice and which would have to be constructed, therefore, on an individual basis. The complexity of the cell, like that of any complex machine, cannot be reduced to any sort of simple pattern, nor can its manufacture be reduced to a simple set of algorithms or programmes. Working continually day and night it would still be difficult to finish the model in the space of one million years.
- Michael Denton’s Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (Adler and Adler, 1985)

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And let me add my two cents to this astounding picture. The model that you would complete a million years later would be just that, a lifeless static model. For the cell to do its work this entire twenty kilometer structure and each of its trillions of components must be charged in specific ways, and at the level of the protein molecule, it must have an entire series of positive and negative charges and hydrophobic and hydrophilic parts all precisely shaped (at a level of precision far, far beyond our highest technical abilities) and charged in a whole series of ways: charged in a way to find other molecular components and combine with them; charged in a way to fold into a shape and maintain that most important shape, and charged in a way to be guided by other systems of charges to the precise spot in the cell where that particle must go. The pattern of charges and the movement of energy through the cell is easily as complex as the pattern of the physical particles themselves.

Also, Denton, in his discussion, uses a tennis ball to stand in for an atom. But an atom is not a ball. It is not even a ‘tiny solar system’ of neutrons, protons and electrons’ as we once thought. Rather, it has now been revealed to be an enormously complex lattice of forces connected by a bewildering array of utterly miniscule subatomic particles including hadrons, leptons, bosons, fermions, mesons, baryons, quarks and anti-quarks, up and down quarks, top and bottom quarks, charm quarks, strange quarks, virtual quarks, valence quarks, gluons and sea quarks…

And let me remind you again, that what we are talking about, a living cell, is a microscopic dot and thousands of these entire factories including all the complexity that we discussed above could fit on the head of a pin. Or, going another way, let’s add to this model of twenty square kilometers of breath taking complexity another one hundred trillion equally complex factories all working in perfect synchronous coordination with each other; which would be a model of the one hundred trillion celled human body, your body, that thing that we lug around every day and complain about; that would, spread laterally at the height of one cell at this magnification, blanket the entire surface of the earth four thousand times over, every part of which would contain pumps and coils and conduits and memory banks and processing centers; all working in perfect harmony with each other, all engineered to an unimaginable level of precision and all there to deliver to us our ability to be conscious, to see, to hear, to smell, to taste, and to experience the world as we are so used to experiencing it, that we have taken it and the fantastic mechanisms that make it possible for granted.

My question is, “Why don’t we know this?” What Michael Denton has written and I have added to is a perfectly accurate, easily intelligible, non-hyperbolic view of the cell. Why is this not taught in every introductory biology class in our schools?
- Matt Chait


1 posted on 01/20/2015 5:45:16 AM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

Depends on your point of view. In the eyes of Creationists the tide has already turned towards intelligent design. In the eyes of science it has not and never will.


2 posted on 01/20/2015 5:48:29 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Heartlander

Good luck with the 4,000 yr time frame.


3 posted on 01/20/2015 5:52:17 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Heartlander

“This student feels it is obvious that ID has the upper hand in the argument - - - the ID proponent generally wins hands down.”

One may have the upper hand in an argument and win hands down with a logically thinking open minded person that will comprehend the facts and evidence.

But with regards to trying to convince a liberal, the above statements are 100% pure fantasy and fairy tales. You will never win an argument with a loud mouthed emotionalistic brainwashed lib.


4 posted on 01/20/2015 5:54:53 AM PST by redfreedom (All it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing - that's how the left took over.)
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To: Heartlander

It’s complex, therefore a really intelligent super-being designed it.


5 posted on 01/20/2015 5:56:24 AM PST by babble-on
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To: Paladin2

Creating Velociraptors and humans in the same environment doesn’t sound so smart.


6 posted on 01/20/2015 5:56:27 AM PST by corkoman
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To: DoodleDawg
In the eyes of science . . .

Don't you mean "In the eyes of those who hold fast to the religion of evolution"? They will never be able to see anything that contradicts their religious dogma!

7 posted on 01/20/2015 5:56:34 AM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: DoodleDawg
Depends on your point of view. In the eyes of Creationists the tide has already turned towards intelligent design. In the eyes of science it has not and never will.

But science has no clue how life began on this world and never will.
8 posted on 01/20/2015 5:57:44 AM PST by microgood
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To: redfreedom

The hallmark of liberal minds is Magic Thinking ... ‘accidents happen’ is their fallback position on anything which reason exposes as their false premise.


9 posted on 01/20/2015 5:57:53 AM PST by MHGinTN
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To: jda
Don't you mean "In the eyes of those who hold fast to the religion of evolution"?

I love unintentional irony.

10 posted on 01/20/2015 5:58:00 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Paladin2
FYI - ID has nothing to do with a 4000 year time frame.
11 posted on 01/20/2015 6:01:45 AM PST by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse OÂ’Leary)
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To: jda
Don't you mean "In the eyes of those who hold fast to the religion of evolution"? They will never be able to see anything that contradicts their religious dogma!

No I meant in the eyes of science.

12 posted on 01/20/2015 6:03:30 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: babble-on

It should not exist, therefore it was created.


13 posted on 01/20/2015 6:07:58 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: DoodleDawg

When sharia law is enforced.


14 posted on 01/20/2015 6:08:29 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: DoodleDawg

Science has no eyes. Scientists do.


15 posted on 01/20/2015 6:11:37 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Heartlander

Most people lack intellectual courage. Therefore, the majority would rather spout approved PC nonsense than stand up and admit doubts about the Darwinist meme. Bob


16 posted on 01/20/2015 6:27:23 AM PST by alstewartfan (I would go forsooth to the dragon's tooth If thus a chance were gained! Al Stewart)
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To: Heartlander

A major problem with the Intelligent Design argument is not in the defense of ID, but in the blanket rejection of all of “Darwinism”, even when large parts of it are reasonable and even obvious, *and not in inherent conflict with ID*. That is, the rejection needs to be parsed to *just* those parts of “Darwinism” that *are* objectionable.

A “Throwing the baby out with the bathwater” argument is destined to fail.

For example, natural selection exists everywhere, and is an obvious *abstract* of what is taking place. Two boxers fight, and one wins. That is natural selection. One girl is healthy and attractive, so gets a good quality husband and father to her children; another girl is an unhealthy, ugly and mean lesbian, whose future is a dead end. That is natural selection as well.

There is nothing objectionable about natural selection *as such*. However, when someone wishes to interpolate and extrapolate from natural selection, is where ID can point out the glaring problems. That is, that “winners and losers” exist is obvious, but any sports fan will tell you that guessing which one will win and which one will lose is not easy at all.


17 posted on 01/20/2015 6:36:01 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: DoodleDawg

If God Himself wrote on the sky with stars: “God made the universe,” the closed mind of so-called “science” would find some “rational” explanation. Don’t believe your lyin’ eyes when trying to explain away the Creator.


18 posted on 01/20/2015 6:39:14 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Heartlander

Then the first step is clarifying the “young earth” vs “old universe” dichotomy within the ID crowd. Otherwise it’s hard to tell what we’re all actually arguing about; makes a big difference whether we’re discussing a premise where everything that exists can’t fit in the universe.


19 posted on 01/20/2015 6:40:22 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: txrefugee

I look at the stars, measure their motions & colors, and conclude that what I’m looking at can’t possibly fit in a 10,000-year-old universe.

Don’t ignore your eyes when trying to explain away anything that doesn’t fit your limited notion of the Creator.


20 posted on 01/20/2015 6:43:29 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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