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McGrath: There Is a Disaster Coming. Get Ready For It.
SHTF Plan ^ | 11/13/12 | Mac Salvo

Posted on 11/13/2012 9:37:39 PM PST by Kartographer

We’re talking about the potential for an absolute credit freeze that will make the situation in New York spread across this country almost overnight.

Ask yourself this question: Are you prepared to take care of yourself?

If you cannot answer that question with the affirmative it is time to stop just listening to alternative media and thinking of it as entertainment, but taking the advice seriously and considering if you have a plan to take care of yourself and loved ones if the situation arises.

Because if you look around this world, if you look at the mainstream media, they’re forewarning you about what’s coming.

There is a disaster coming. Get ready for it. Make sure you are mentally and physically prepared for what is coming.

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There's a storm coming and it's a big one you can feel it.
1 posted on 11/13/2012 9:37:50 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 11/13/2012 9:39:26 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Gold, guns, generators, gas, groceries, cash.
Stock em up boys....


3 posted on 11/13/2012 9:46:01 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I've made do without gold and cash, during hard times.

I've made it through a few hard times without a genset. I don't know the last time I bought gas. Been a while. The city hasn't sent a lawn notice since spring.

Groceries, the good Lord provides wherever we live, if you study.

Studying brings 2nd Timothy 2:15 to mind. Skillsets are important.

/johnny

4 posted on 11/13/2012 9:54:04 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You need to jump off your high horse, which for you will be a long tumble, and read some Proverbs, some of Paul’s other epistles, and study some parables.

I would also like to know why showing wisdom in prepardeness somehow means you won’t have skillsets....and won’t have the Word of God.

If I stock up on guns, gold, cash, generators, fuel, batteries, groceries, etc - I will still have my Bibles and my skill sets.

Or, you could just be a bitter old prune looking for a fight and intentionally going off topic.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 10:07:31 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Kartographer
YEP.
6 posted on 11/13/2012 10:20:06 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: Kartographer

What’s the big deal? Everybody should just raise their debt ceiling.
You know, like the government.


7 posted on 11/13/2012 10:23:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Just sharing real world experiences dealing with hard times.

I've had plenty of them. Humbling ones.

By all means, prep with all the material things you think you might need. Lord knows I do as I can, and you don't need my blessing or permission to do what you think is right.

The topic is preparedness for hard times, correct?

/johnny

8 posted on 11/13/2012 10:27:27 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

IF THERE IS A CREDIT FREEZE, TRUCKS STOP!

I’m ready if trucks stop.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 10:32:03 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Kartographer

Preppers bump.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 10:34:49 PM PST by blam
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You’re wrong about Johnny. He is down to earth and can survive anywhere and has had to do that in the wilderness for a long period of time.

He was just saying survival can be done if you don’t have the blessing of goods. He is also a Godly man.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 10:38:27 PM PST by Marcella ("When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: Marcella
I’m ready if trucks stop.

That's really, really gonna suck, though. No way around that part of it. At least we'll stay busy.

/johnny

12 posted on 11/13/2012 10:57:15 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer
I will post this one time and only one time as I don't want to be involved in any contention. There is a ministry...119 Ministries that have put out a teaching prophecy series. The 4th part of the series deals with 4 lunar eclipses occurring on Hebrew Feast Days in 2014 and 2015 with two solar eclipses occurring during those years on Hebrew Feast Days. This along with many other signs point to Purim 2013 as an event that will mark the last 3 1/2 yrs of the Tribulation before the Day of the Lord 9/1/2016. The Tribulation starts Passover 2013. Now if you are interested in this teaching go to You Tube and Search for Daniel Unsealed or go to 119 Ministries web page and look under there Teachings for Part 4 Daniel Unsealed.
I offer this only FYI
13 posted on 11/13/2012 11:07:01 PM PST by ladyL
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To: Kartographer
US Conference Board fears BRICS miracle over as world faces decade-long slump

"The fizzling emerging market story is a key reason why the West has relapsed this year. The world is now facing a synchronized downturn on all fronts, with little scope for fiscal and monetary stimulus."

14 posted on 11/13/2012 11:09:40 PM PST by blam
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I don’t think he’s off topic. I’m glad he said what I didn’t: not everyone can afford gold or a generator; not everybody is going to be able to save cash. But if you know how, it’s still possible to survive.

I am going to have a hard time surviving on my own—I’m just a lady in her middle years. No money to buy gold or a good generator—nothing at all. I’m focused on buying medication and laying in firewood and ammunition, just to try to hold out as long as possible. I sure wish all this would be put off for eight or nine months ‘til I can get out of this house, but that’s probably too optimistic.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 11:11:35 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’ve had to give away preps 4 times since Y2K. A lot of missions and food banks were blessed. I had to go where the Lord sent me and it didn’t include being able to take them. When my husband, daughter and I were broke on a Pacific Island, we found food in the refrigerator we didn’t buy or put there. I’ve seen food multiplied. When we had practically nothing, our neighbors out of the blue brought a whole stem of bananas. Another time, our other neighbors invited us to a feast, just for us, to meet us because I’d been friendly to their daughter. When I was single and without work, with almost nothing in the fridge, I found yogurt (my favorite) that I knew was put there supernaturally. You don’t miss stuff like that if your fridge is pretty much bare. We went to a weekly walk when we had nothing for our daughter. The group was having a picnic that day that included cake so we all celebrated her birthday. Prepping is wise, but it’s wiser to find out what the Lord specifically wants one to do. One shoe doesn’t always fit all. Do I have a well stocked pantry and other supplies? Will they end up being given away again? Only God knows. God can still send a raven today.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 11:43:15 PM PST by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: Kartographer

I can not see anyway possible for America to return to be the country that I grew up in, and I would not want to prep to live in USSA Hell.
I started international travel in 1999, first living in central Europe, and now well settled in the Philippines for the last four years..
If for some reason SHTF here, I can bail out to another island group, or wherever.
I have very few material things to worry about, but I have a very happy life on the beach with my wife and our 18 month old baby boy.
I have not been back in the USSA since Jan. 2005


17 posted on 11/13/2012 11:51:59 PM PST by AlexW
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“If I stock up on guns, gold, cash, generators, fuel, batteries, groceries, etc - I will still have my Bibles and my skill sets.”
___________________________________________

I hear a lot about preppers who are convinced that they can survive with gold, guns, and other supplies.
Unfortunately, you will be shortly overrun by the massive hordes of those who do not have what you have.
You would need an army to protect you and your treasures.


18 posted on 11/14/2012 12:00:59 AM PST by AlexW
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To: JRandomFreeper; C. Edmund Wright

Johnny is saying skills is important. You can have all the stuff but skills trumps stuff.

Still, I gots stuff and lots of it.

I got mad skills too and I’m a country boy with some Beechnut and a .45...


19 posted on 11/14/2012 12:02:09 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ladyL

20 posted on 11/14/2012 12:14:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: AlexW

The first key to survival is to be out of the way of the ‘hordes’ Far enough out of the way so that their foraging in the urban and suburban areas disperses them.

Second is low profile.

These ‘hordes’ won’t be the “Walking Dead” type who can walk and exist on nothing for decades; they’re still human (at least by some standards) and vulnerable to all sorts of calamity, fighting amongst themselves, for instance.


21 posted on 11/14/2012 2:46:47 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I expect internal casualties amongst looter types to be 80% or greater.

And very quickly. Within the first ten days to two weeks.


22 posted on 11/14/2012 3:07:28 AM PST by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: pops88

“One shoe does not always fit all.”

- Good observation! Great posted reply. -


23 posted on 11/14/2012 3:20:58 AM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: ladyL

Thanks for posting but I doubt anyone who is that specific. IMO we are getting close but we won’t know when.


24 posted on 11/14/2012 3:31:25 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: djf

During the Sandy aftermath the looters didn’t go all that far from their home.

I think the common assumption that we’ll see hordes of looters descending out of the city is misplaced. Those people will be out of gas and fighting each other for whats left.


25 posted on 11/14/2012 3:39:04 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Thanks for pinging the threads. Will study them.


26 posted on 11/14/2012 3:41:37 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: JRandomFreeper
Studying brings 2nd Timothy 2:15 to mind. Skillsets are important.

Including couponing skillsets. Just picked up my Thanksgiving turkey for FREE last night via coupons.

27 posted on 11/14/2012 3:46:13 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: ladyL
There is a ministry...119 Ministries that have put out a teaching prophecy series. The 4th part of the series deals with 4 lunar eclipses occurring on Hebrew Feast Days in 2014 and 2015 with two solar eclipses occurring during those years on Hebrew Feast Days. This along with many other signs point to Purim 2013 as an event that will mark the last 3 1/2 yrs of the Tribulation before the Day of the Lord 9/1/2016. The Tribulation starts Passover 2013.

I think the Russellites made the same prediction but for a date in the year 1914. When that didn't come to pass they reformed as Jehovah's Witnesses and they have been knocking on my door with Watchtowers ever since.

28 posted on 11/14/2012 3:50:37 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: Gaffer
These ‘hordes’ won’t be the “Walking Dead” type who can walk and exist on nothing for decades;

The 'hordes' can't go too far from their supply of crack and heroine.

29 posted on 11/14/2012 3:52:33 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: driftdiver

Exactly.

Roads out of cities would be impassable.

Heck, people complain about commuting times when things are good, and their gas tanks are full!

That’s something that always in a way irritated me about people planning for some kind of “bug out” scenario.

Unless you can get out a good three days or so before SHTF, “bug out” is suicide.

If you are trapped on the road in your rig during the collapse, you are a sitting duck.


30 posted on 11/14/2012 4:05:55 AM PST by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: Kartographer
Quick question:

Many of us have prepared well (and continue to do so), but the reality is we still hold mortgages on our houses that we cannot pay off quickly.
If it is a total economic collapse and the banks close - they cannot take in or record mortgage payments - how does that work for those of us who do not own our houses outright?
Do they still attempt to foreclose on millions of houses the "old-fashioned" way?
Or will there not really be any machinery in place to affect that, so we just "stay put" until if/when the world economy rights itself.
Any thoughts, ideas?

31 posted on 11/14/2012 4:18:50 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: ottbmare

If you have a car, you have a generator.
Just get an inverter (750w) and some extension cords.
Anyone wanting details let me know


32 posted on 11/14/2012 4:20:45 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: driftdiver

One thing’s certain. If anyone says the day of The Lord will be X, it won’t be X.


33 posted on 11/14/2012 4:23:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: djf

I would love a piece of property out in the mountains but I’m not convinced it would be any safer than the suburbs. It all depends on what happens.


34 posted on 11/14/2012 4:25:35 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Psalm 73

Stay put and wait until they start demanding payment. Then it’s “let’s make a deal” time.


35 posted on 11/14/2012 4:26:11 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: djf
I expect internal casualties amongst looter types to be 80% or greater. And very quickly. Within the first ten days to two weeks.

I see it exactly the same way. I'll contribute to that in every way possible.
36 posted on 11/14/2012 4:37:41 AM PST by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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To: Psalm 73

You have to think about the contradiction of planning for a societal collapse while expecting that courts will still continue to function and enforce business contracts against millions of defaults by ordinary people who used to be the backbone of a society of law

You could still continue to write checks even if you know no one will cash them or clear them


37 posted on 11/14/2012 4:44:25 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: MrB

Agreed- The last thing banks want, at that point, is your house.


38 posted on 11/14/2012 4:44:59 AM PST by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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To: Psalm 73

As long as banks are open, they can try to collect. They did in the Depression, but only after many months and even years. But if they are closed, no, there is no way they can collect.


39 posted on 11/14/2012 4:48:06 AM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: djf

that is why for worst case planning you need good maps, good shoes, and lightweight survival supplies (make temp shelter, stay warm, purify water, sustain calorie intake) - and a place to try to get to

I have these visions sometimes of my family walking over the mountains, like my ancestors did 250 years ago


40 posted on 11/14/2012 4:48:33 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: LS

got to think that ony a few mega banks would even survive and they would all be seized by the gubmint


41 posted on 11/14/2012 4:51:57 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: silverleaf

And where are you walking to in these visions?


42 posted on 11/14/2012 4:52:20 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

back home to my small hometown where everyone knows each other, where I know how to find clean water and where to grow food and find temp shelter with family and friends, or where I would choose to die if that time comes

not in some beseiged abandoned suburb


43 posted on 11/14/2012 4:54:56 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: MrB

Upside of using your car+inverter= modest household appliance and tool power is:
1. EASY
2. convenient
3. really portable
4. FAR quieter than most any generator of the same size. When the power is off and NOTHING else is running or moving, you can hear a typical generator for MILES. That’ll bring flies to the honey. OPSEC.

DOWNSIDE: it’s not terribly efficient from a fuel consumption standpoint v. a good generator. But see 1-4 above.

We have an 1100W portable, a 5500W semi-rollable (real-man move-able) and a 2500W Whistler inverter, fused, for the 4X4 SUV, with an extra heavy duty battery.

Some of that goes with us; some is pre-positioned.


44 posted on 11/14/2012 4:59:22 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: silverleaf

AMEN.

On your terms, at peace with God.


45 posted on 11/14/2012 5:01:42 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Dittos about Johnny. One of the people on the preppers threads you would want as a friend.


46 posted on 11/14/2012 5:03:40 AM PST by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: Blueflag

A diesel truck with extra batteries is GREAT for the car-inverter “generator”.

It’s not ideal, but it sure will do in a pinch and on a budget. I did some research and your typical car alternator will only put out 750 Watts (3/4 kilowatt), but that’s plenty for running a modern freezer or refrigerator.
And you don’t have to have them constantly running.
The cheapest “power” for your freezer is to wrap it in blankets and run it for an hour every 12 hours or so. Also, keep your freezer full, even if you take up space with water jugs.

Here’s a trick to “alarm” you if your freezer has gone off for longer than it takes to thaw (even if it comes back on and re-freezes everything).

Fill a standard 1pt water bottle half full and freeze it upright. Then turn it upside down in your freezer.
If you question whether your freezer has thawed and refrozen, check the bottle. If the ice is now in the neck and conformed to the shape, the water has melted all the way and has refrozen. Even if it has “slid” but still retains the shape of the bottom, your stuff is safe because the temperature never got above freezing.


47 posted on 11/14/2012 5:12:05 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: silverleaf
"You have to think about the contradiction of planning for a societal collapse...."

I started thinking about the series Jericho (before it went lame) - that guy and his sister owned a farm that was in financial trouble - the girl that ended up staying there was from the bank or IRS originally sent to start foreclosure - it took her awhile to figure out it didn't matter anymore....

48 posted on 11/14/2012 5:12:37 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: jy8z

I would consider myself to be somewhat of the prepper type.

A couple hundred pounds of food, alot of water, some electrical generation capacity.
And a few guns.

I don’t relish the idea of killing someone.

Problem is, in an SHTF scenario, any idea of believing that someone is a fellow American or a fellow Republican or even a fellow Democrat goes out the window.

EVERYONE. And that means EVERYONE that you don’t personally know, (and even some that you do personally know), must be perceived as a threat, an IMMEDIATE threat.

For me, I’m in my late 50’s. Not sure it’s worth the grief.

But I’ll tell you two things. I AIN’T gonna starve. And I AIN’T gonna freeze!

And if the spring comes, and the sun warms things up, and the evenings get soft again, I have a boatload of seeds of all types and varieties. Life could be good again, a challenge, but very rewarding.


49 posted on 11/14/2012 5:13:16 AM PST by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: MrB

All true with one caution:

All freezers/fridges are heat exchangers, so when you wrap it in blankets, be sure to NOT cover the heat exchanger coils or restrict airflow to them. they are usually on the back or the bottom. IF you do NOT do this, your freezer will run and run and actually HEAT UP your food.


50 posted on 11/14/2012 5:24:39 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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