McGrath: There Is a Disaster Coming. Get Ready For It.

SHTF Plan ^ | 11/13/12 | Mac Salvo

[C. Edmund Wright]

This assumes you know exactly what kind of upheaval will happen. You don’t. I’m sure your theories are all sound, but we never know exactly.

Cash may well be useless at some point, but probably not at first and certainly not in a mini crisis like Sandy, etc..

I doubt gold will ever be useless, as it has never been usless in any period of upheaval.

Then again, all one can do is prepare for all types of scenarios. Please read with a little more insight and analogy: for example our 48 ft boat (sold thanks to economy) had many emergency gadgets and supplies on board - we never assumed all will be needed or useful in all emergencies...but there is a reasonable list that reasonable people fill beforehand for reasonable assumptions.

That’s all.

[C. Edmund Wright]

He decided he did not want that, his choice....

[Scotswife]

I live in a town like that.
Although I’ve wondered....if everyone goes into foreclosure - and the banks collapse.

“Who” will own the land? And will they allow us to squat on it.

[Old Sarge]

[silverleaf]

well, either they let us squat and shelter and feed ourselves

or they shelter and feed us

or they let us die ...

unless we can escape to somewhere else, then start choices 1-2-3 again

pretty simple actually

Just been watching “World Without End” .... feudalism isn’t such a dead concept, is it?

[philled]

Good info on the inverter. Can anyone explain how natural gas is delivered? I’ve got gas fireplaces, range, furnace and water heater. In ten years, we’ve only had one electricity outage (only for a couple hours due to a freak situation at a transformer.) but it was well below zero at the time. The furnace requires electricity to run the blower. We just turned the fireplaces on. However, in the case of a lengthy or widespread electric outage, would the gas be shut down as well?

[Jane Long]

However, in the case of a lengthy or widespread electric outage, would the gas be shut down as well?

I've wondered about this, too. If S truly does HTF, how long until underground gas lines are cut off?

[Kartographer]

Gas is suppied via pipe lines and compressor and guess what the compressors run on? Right electricity!

Rolling blackouts in Texas effected New Mexico in 2011

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/environment/gas-and-electricity-affected-by-weather

http://newmexicoindependent.com/68766/gov-declares-state-of-emergency-due-to-gas-shortage-cold

And get this the colder the weather the harder the compressors must work.

[Kartographer]

Forgot to copy you.

[gaijin]

Could u put me on your prep ping list...?

[metmom]

Yer picking a fight with the wrong FReeper, *noob*.

I’ve read plenty of his posts on these prepper threads. Perhaps you should before shooting off your mouth again.

I’d sooner have him as a neighbor than about anyone else I can think of, including, likely, you.

*bitter old prune* my foot. Take the plank out of your own eye.

[metmom]

I expect internal casualties amongst looter types to be 80% or greater. And very quickly. Within the first ten days to two weeks.

Which helps us further out in the sticks.

After feeding on each other, they have to survive getting through a couple communities and the res and exposure to the elements to get to us. And what with the way I see people being so casual about dressing for winter weather, if TSHTF during one of our winters, attrition due to weather is going to skyrocket due to exposure getting this far.

[metmom]

If you are trapped on the road in your rig during the collapse, you are a sitting duck.

One word: backroads.

My evacuation plans ALWAYS avoided the interstates.

[philled]

That’s what I was afraid of. Good thing our breezy corner of the northern plains is littered with those damn windmills. They will come in so handy when the EPA shuts down our coal-fired power plant. Ugh. I don’t want to “feel good”- I’d much rather feel warm. It gets very cold here...

[Old Sarge]

There are three things you will never hear:

“Gold - it does a body good”;

“Precious metal: it’s what’s for dinner”;

“Mommy, can we have that gold bullion soup again? Of course, dear, because precious metals are not only good, they’re good for you.”

[Gaffer]

They for sure won’t be walking for miles and miles to forage. They’re lazy....your best bet is off a bus/rail line and not close to an interstate or main highway.

Gas is going to be non-existent so they won’t be driving anything they steal very far. Then, it’s up to you to do with the local takers.

[The Duke]

Or, you could just be a bitter old prune looking for a fight and intentionally going off topic.

Have I gotten into a time machine and gone back to the 1990's and stumbled into a good old fashioned "flame war"?!?! :O

[The Duke]

I think the common assumption that we’ll see hordes of looters descending out of the city is misplaced. Those people will be out of gas and fighting each other for whats left.

I agree. They'll remain in the cities, waiting for helicopters to drop more 'free stuff' from the sky, until they are out of fuel and desperate. At that point many of them will be unable to travel too much.

I just hope I'm moved out of the city before it all falls apart. I'm house-shopping immediately after Christmas.

[ItsOurTimeNow]

Plus they’re lazier n’ crap. They’re more enclined to sit on their front stoops with their hands out, than walking 15-20 miles to the next town to loot.

Barely any more evolved than territorial pack animals.

[Ellendra]

I think the common assumption that we’ll see hordes of looters descending out of the city is misplaced. Those people will be out of gas and fighting each other for whats left.

I hope you're right. I think that's going to depend on how much the media decides to talk about "rural hoarders". Best be as ready as you can for either situation.